Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2462 - Aaron Siri
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Joe Rogan Experience #2462 - Aaron Siri

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So you had a pile of notes and then you just folded them up, like did you
commit them to memory?
No, just these two things, I have the links I sent you guys.
Oh, okay.
And just some stuff there.
I just saw the pieces of paper that you folded, I was like, what's in there?
How did, first of all, I want to talk you through, like when you were a younger
man, before you had looked into this, what was your opinions on medical science?
What was your opinions on vaccines?
Were you skeptical or did you just kind of assume that everything that we're
told is exactly how it is and the experts have only the best interests of human
beings in mind and not money?
I had what you would effectively call the mainstream view.
Vaccine saved humanity.
Me too.
We'd all be dead without them.
You know, they are the, there was the Bible given to Moses at Sinai and then
there were vaccines.
Yeah.
That's basically, you know.
I think it's anybody that didn't consider themselves a fool.
You know, you would have to be a fool, like a real fool to ignore all this
medical science, which is the reason why there's so many people alive today
that would have died.
And a lot of that's true with penicillin, antibiotics, there's a lot of stuff
that has saved a lot of people's lives.
But the vaccine won until this COVID epidemic, I would have never questioned it.
I mocked anti-vaxxers.
I was like, these people are silly.
Don't they know all the good things that vaccines have done?
And the blatant propaganda that we were force-fed like one of those ducks are
trying to make foie gras with, it just made me stop and pause and go, is the
whole thing like this?
Is this whole thing just a dirty money laundering operation?
Because it kind of seems like that's at least part of the reason why they were
telling people to get boosted when they knew it wasn't working and telling
young people that didn't need it to.
They wanted to make a lot of money.
That's the only reason why you would do any of those things after a certain
amount of information is out.
And so it just made me stop and think about the whole thing and go, well, why
would I assume that this is the one area where pharmaceutical drug companies,
doctors, everybody's been totally honest in this one area.
When it's like a religious thing, if you question it.
And I love the title of your book.
Yes.
Vaccines, Amen.
The Religion of Vaccines.
That's what it is.
It's a religion for secular, intelligent people with a higher education.
And it causes incredible cognitive dissonance for anybody out there to come to
the conclusion that the CDC and the FDA and our public health authorities and
what the entire medical establishment has been telling you may not be accurate
about vaccines.
Because like what you just said, the claim that you're a flat earther, you're
an anti-vaxxer deserves and they're used as a way to say you are really out
there and dumb.
They're completely equal in their impact.
And so it takes incredible cognitive dissonance to say there are real problems
with vaccines.
But vaccines really sit in their own little universe.
They're unlike any other medical product.
They're not like penicillin.
They're not like any other drugs.
They're not like any other product out there.
Any other product in this room.
Anything out there.
For one major reason.
Every other product that exists.
I can sue the company.
I can hold them accountable.
If that product injures or kills you or your child on the basis that product
could have been safer.
The only product.
And I mean this literally.
The only product in America where you cannot sue to say had you made that
product safer, my child wouldn't be dead.
My child wouldn't be seriously injured.
They wouldn't have a neurological disorder.
They wouldn't have immunological disorder.
They wouldn't have a nervous system disorder.
They wouldn't have a cardiac issue.
Our childhood vaccines and child vaccines used by adults.
It's the only one.
And that's because of a law called the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of
1986.
It gave pharma companies that incredibly special immunity.
Now, just to put that into context, okay?
And I'll tie this back in a second as to how we ended up with this notion of
this belief, religion, and vaccines.
Because, you know, given industry 40 years of unopposed ability to influence,
they're going to get pretty dang far.
And they did with vaccines.
And so, you know, a lot of industries face a crossroads where their products
are causing more harm than good.
Gas tanks used to explode.
What did they do?
Made a better gas tank.
All right?
Building materials had asbestos.
Caused cancer.
What did they do?
They make better building materials.
All right?
Did they give them immunity?
No.
Of course not.
But in the instance of vaccines leading up to 1986, there were only three
routine vaccines.
That's it.
That's all there was.
A child following the CDC schedule in 1986 got three injections on or before
their first birthday.
Okay?
Those three products were causing so much harm and injury that every
manufacturer of them went out of business.
And that was the MMR vaccine, the DTP, and the OPV vaccine.
Every single one.
From six down to one.
Or for the Pertussis vaccine, six down to one for measles.
About three down to one for polio.
And with one company left for each, instead of forcing them to do what every
other industry has to do, like I said, make better building materials without
asbestos.
Make better cars that don't explode.
Go down the chain of different products out there.
Congress did something completely unique.
It said, you know what?
We're just going to give you immunity.
We're going to make it so that no company, excuse me, no individual, no parent,
no child can sue you for the injuries and deaths caused by your vaccine
products.
That is what the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 did.
And not only for those three products, but for any other childhood vaccine
thereafter.
And what that effectively has done is given 40 years for the industry to
promote their products with no pushback.
When you read about a problem with a car, where are you reading about it from?
Usually a class action lawsuit in the paper, right?
You're not going to read about that in vaccines typically.
And because of that, you ended up where we are.
Anyways, there's a lot more detail to that, but I'll stop there for now.
No, please keep going.
Well, I mean, when you think about what makes products safer, right?
Because I've got a law firm with over 100 individuals.
I'm the managing partner of the firm.
Half my firm does all types of plate-to-side class actions.
We can hold companies accountable for almost anything.
Your data, we do hundreds of data breach cases, genetic privacy cases.
We do biometric privacy cases.
We do all types of lawsuits like that nature, by the way.
And the New York Times loves those lawsuits, by the way.
That stuff, nobody attacks me for, okay?
Oh, making my privacy better?
Oh, protecting me from cars that explode?
Oh, thank you.
Make vaccines safer?
You want to kill everybody.
Okay.
But that's where it's really weird.
But, well, here's where I think I can make, I'm hoping I can make it make sense
without cause.
Cognitive dissonance.
So, going back to how we make products safer in America, or anywhere, okay?
It's not the government.
Governments don't make products safer.
Look at extremely authoritarian regimes where there was very little free market
like the former USSR.
You think products were safe?
No.
What makes products safe?
It's the economic self-interest of the company.
It's the economic interest of the company to make the product safer.
Why?
You probably own stock, right?
And where do you want your stock to go, up or down?
How do you want it to go?
You want it to go up or you want it to go down?
Where do you want it to go?
You want it to go up.
Okay.
So do all the investors.
Right.
So does everybody who owns that stock.
So does Wall Street.
So does the CEO.
So does the board.
So does everybody.
The people who have the stock.
Everybody involved.
All the employees that have stock options, including usually the major ones.
Everybody wants it to go up.
If you lose money, it doesn't go up.
So normally, the interest to assure a product is safer is aligned with the
profit motive.
Because if your product causes injury and harm, then you're going to lose money.
So you want to know typically.
You have an economic self-interest as a corporation to know.
Not because you're altruistic.
Not because you're moral.
Not because you're ethical.
Just because you have that economic self-interest to assure the product is safe
before you go to market
and after you go to market.
Okay.
And that exists for every product in America with effectively one exception.
Vaccines.
That's really it.
Now.
I'm going to show you one result of that in practice.
Okay.
When you think of drugs, and this will help, I think, tie into what you're
saying about what happened with COVID.
Most drugs are licensed based on multi-year placebo-controlled trials.
Most of them.
Why?
Because the FDA requires it?
Because the FDA is so great?
No.
Nothing to do with the FDA.
It's because the company wants to know whether the drug is safe or not before
it goes to market.
Because you know what happens with the drug that they put out that's going to
make $40 billion in revenue or $20 billion but causes $100 billion in harm?
They end up upside down.
So they want to know to a reasonable degree how safe the drug is before it goes
to market.
In an attempt not to cherry pick, as I did in my book, I found an article that
listed the top four selling profitable drugs by Pfizer as of like 2000, 2021 or
something, 2019.
Okay?
And if you look at those four most profitable drugs, as I put in my book, each
one has two to seven years of follow-up in the clinical trial that was relied
upon to license that drug against a placebo-controlled group.
Just to make sure everybody, I'm sure everybody knows what that means, but that
just means a group that gets something inert.
So this way you give the group the experimental drug, you give a group the
placebo, something inert, you track them for multiple years, and then you
compare all the outcomes, cardiovascular outcomes, neurological outcomes, go
down the list.
And cancer rates, and you see the difference.
You get a real actual sense of the safety between those two for that product.
In contrast, for most childhood vaccines, instead of years, it's often days or
weeks of safety review in the clinical trial.
I would rely upon to license them.
Not a single, and I know that folks can test this all the time, but it's in the
FDA literature.
Not a single routine injected childhood vaccine was licensed based on a placebo-controlled
trial, save for the COVID vaccine, by the way, for children.
It's the only one.
Not a single one, okay?
Nor was the vaccine sometimes uses the control itself licensed based on a
placebo-controlled trial, nor anywhere down that chain.
Chapter 10 of my book, I go through every vaccine, I go through, I have it all
cited to the FDA licensure documents.
You can listen to the talking heads, or you can rely on the primary sources
from the FDA, which is why I call my book Vaccines in Men, because there's what
they tell you, and then there's what the actual evidence shows, right?
So that gives you an example of the outcome of not having an economic self-interest.
With drugs, they have it, so they want to know the safety.
Can I challenge you on that?
What about Vioxx?
Like the Vioxx people knew that there was one of the things that was revealed
during the trial is that they knew that there was going to be issues.
But I think the quote was, we still think we'll do well.
And that was one of the damning aspects of the email disclosure, because you
got a chance to see how these guys talk about this drug that they're abo