Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2477 - Rick Perry & W. Bryan Hubbard
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Joe Rogan Experience #2477 - Rick Perry & W. Bryan Hubbard

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The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
Gentlemen, great to see you.
Yeah, put him on, slap him on.
What's happening?
Good to see you gentlemen again.
Taking off.
Good to see you, William.
One more time.
Yeah, one more time.
Yeah.
So, what is the latest?
Give me the latest.
Where are we at?
Why don't you take it, Brian?
You're the most current on where we are, what's going on.
Man, there has been a lot of stuff happen in the 15 months since we were here.
I mean, like, stunning amount of stuff.
So, let's not waste any time.
Tell them where we're at.
All right.
Well, the last time we came to visit with you, I believe, was on December the
27th of 2024.
We were just on the front end of having organized 30 committed Texans whose own
families had had experiences related to trauma, addiction, alcoholism, and the
wounds of war.
Who, after hearing a plan that was developed for the state of Kentucky to bring
Ibogaine to the American people as an FDA-approved medication and breakthrough
treatment for addiction and trauma, committed themselves to using their time,
their talent, and their network to achieve what had never been done before.
And that was to convince an individual state to undertake drug development to
create a therapeutic medical breakthrough for public health crises within its
borders that are representative of the national reality.
After you released the interview with us on January 2nd, 2025, we pursued a
five-and-a-half-month blistering campaign to convince 188 blank-slate Texas
legislators to fund the single largest psychedelic research and medical
development project in history, that being the $50 million Texas Ibogaine
Initiative.
We had the assistance of some in-state allies, one of which was Texans for
Greater Mental Health, led by a dear friend and brother of mine, Logan Davidson,
who was my right hand, going to meet with legislators continuously.
While I set up shop at a hotel here in Halston and lived here just about part-time,
wearing the shoe leather off, sweating, and making sure that everybody who
needed to be introduced, educated, and motivated to get behind this would do so.
Well, at the end of this five-and-a-half months, we secured the votes of yes of
181 out of 188 legislators between the Texas House of Representatives and State
Senate.
There was one individual who we had to persuade at the 11th hour to get behind
this project.
On May the 14th, 2025, just 36 hours before the Texas budget was finalized,
this bill that would create the first unified FDA drug development trial with
Ibogaine in U.S. history was not funded.
I woke up that morning and I believe very much in keeping your prayers in the
closet, as Jesus taught, and not getting out there parading about it.
But on that morning, I got a call and it was, hey, we're getting to the 11th
hour.
We don't have money to secure this.
It may not make it.
We've done everything that we can.
And I just, I literally got down on my hands and knees and said, God, please
let this happen.
And if it cannot happen, help me understand why.
Three hours later, I got a telephone call asking if I could go and meet with
the Texas House Speaker and Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick.
I went at 4.30 in the afternoon on May the 14th and spent an hour with these
two gentlemen going back and forth about what this project was, why it was so
existentially necessary for Texas and the country.
And on Friday morning, May the 16th at 10 a.m., we got a text message from
Lieutenant Governor Patrick confirming that he would approve and fully fund the
Texas Ibogaine initiative.
As we walk in here today, literally just 10 minutes before we walked into your
studio, I can confirm that the great state of Texas is going to fully fund the
Texas Ibogaine initiative.
Originally intended to be a public-private partnership, but now has decided on
its own to commit a full $100 million to launch the development of Ibogaine all
the way through the FDA's drug development process for the benefit of the
American people.
To do so on its own, without any drug development partner, and to do it for the
good of humanity.
That's phenomenal.
So what did you have to say to Dan Patrick to convince him of this?
And kudos to him for doing this.
Well, I had some very wonderful advocates who preceded my meeting.
Was he skeptical?
Oh, he was completely disengaged from the process, highly skeptical, as we
learned through intermediaries.
But we had two wonderful brothers on mission who happened to be twins, Marcus
and Morgan Luttrell.
I know Marcus very well.
Marcus and Morgan Luttrell reached out to the lieutenant governor.
They spoke to him very movingly and personally about their own experiences with
Ibogaine, what it had done, not just to save their lives,
but what it was doing to save the lives of warfighters who had come to the end
of being able to live.
And as they explained to him what it did for them and what it has done for
their brothers and sisters-at-arms who've returned to war, to broken government
systems that can do nothing to cure what else them at their core.
He was persuaded to have an open-minded conversation.
And through that conversation on May the 14th, we essentially went through what
science suggests are the powers of the most sophisticated molecule on the
planet to resolve physiological substance dependence and thereby create
psychology within the human being,
whereby they believe they believe they have ownership of themselves and their
future and that that future will be one defined by choice rather than compulsion.
And the most powerful aspect of the Ibogaine argument, not just for the
lieutenant governor and house speaker, but for most of these legislators who
voted yes,
is the experience endorsed by many that Ibogaine confirms without question the
reality of our individual human divinity.
And that is the greatest truth conveyed by this fabulous plant.
Well put.
And I don't think it's just Ibogaine that confirms that.
I think you could say the same about many other psychedelic drugs that are
unjustly maligned and treated as if they're an escape from reality.
But in the interest of this being a standalone podcast where people don't know
what Ibogaine is and don't understand the efficacy of it and how unbelievably
effective it is at especially treating addiction,
could you please just go over that?
Yes, sir.
So Ibogaine is an alkaloid that is derived from the Iboga shrub.
The Iboga shrub originates in the central Congo Basin.
Its native country is modern-day Gabon.
It is the mother country of the Iboga shrub, which has been used for centuries
in the spiritual and cultural traditions of the Bwiti,
a group of spiritualists who include the Pygmies as well as the Bantu tribes
that live there in Gabon.
In the early 60s, it was discovered that Ibogaine and Iboga had a significant
interruption effect on opioid addiction.
There was an individual who had been addicted to heroin for a number of years.
They took Ibogaine, and not only did they not experience any withdrawal when
they stopped taking heroin,
they stopped having any desire to use any drug whatsoever.
This touched off 60 years of open-label field studies that are mountains high
and decades wide
that firmly established that Ibogaine has a unique and singular interruption
capacity on physiological substance dependency,
whether that's opioids, alcohol, methamphetamine, cocaine, or tobacco.
Recent evidence also suggests that it has a significant interruption effect on
compulsive behaviors.
Anything that kind of impacts that brain's dopamine system and produces a rush.
Particularly gambling.
Yes, sir.
Now, in 2018, U.S. Special Forces special operators started going to Mexico for
treatment of symptoms of traumatic brain injury,
expressed through treatment-resistant depression, anxiety, and suicidality.
Many of these veterans had gone through the VA system.
They had been given an unbelievable amount of synthetic pharmacology that, in
their end effect,
essentially anesthetizes the soul and slowly euthanizes the body.
And they were at the end.
So, as they were going to Mexico and would get Ibogaine treatment,
they came back with these just unbelievably, just powerful recovery results
that seemed too good to be true.
So, there were some scientists at Stanford University that were funded by a
philanthropist who wanted to understand what was going on.
And so, what we have come to learn through a Stanford research study on
traumatic brain injury for vets
is that Ibogaine has remarkable neuro-regenerative capacities on the brain that
are unheard of in the annals of Western science.
And while information is still very small in amount and preliminary,
there are individuals who have had Ibogaine treatment for not just traumatic
brain injury,
but for multiple sclerosis, Lyme disease, Parkinson's disease, post-surgical
complications related to the removal of brain tumor
who endorse a restoration of functionality and an ability to live that are
otherworldly.
And as we recognize that the opportunities to improve the human condition at
scale are multi-lifetime in appearing,
we believe that we have found one of those.
And if we're going to do justice to the human species,
it is incumbent upon us to take what appears to be a promising therapeutic
improvement
and deliver it with speed through the U.S. medical systems.
And that's what Governor Perry and I have founded Americans for Ibogaine to do.
Just that.
Achieve the moonshot of our time.
And that is to bring Ibogaine medicine to the American people as quickly as
possible.
Well said.
And thank you again, Governor Perry,
because if it wasn't for your involvement in this,
I think a lot of people would be far more skeptical.
You know, you being a former distinguished governor of the state who is a
Republican,
generally speaking, most people think of Republicans being anti-psychedelics
and that this whole thing is just a bunch of people trying to escape reality
and poison their mind and, you know, tune out of society and become losers.
That's the general consensus of people that are just, for lack of a better term,
ignorant of the effects of these substances.
They don't understand it.
But if it wasn't for you, your open-mindedness,
your willingness to engage in this and try to understand it
and to speak to these veterans,
I don't think people would be taken into seriously.
So thank you.
Well, and thank you.
As I've watched you over the last 15 months,
it seemed like ever six weeks or so,
you'd have a guest on here and you'd be talking about Ibogaine in particular
and what is the progress that we're making.
What comes up so often.
Yeah.
Well, and it should.
It should.
It should because this truly, I mean,
this is not what I came into the world for.
This is not what I came to politics for.
This is what, you know,
I got led to this through that relationship with Marcus and, in turn, Morgan Luttrell
and seeing those two boys literally, particularly Marcus,
on the doorstep of committing suicide.
When he came to live with us at the governor's mansion in 2007,
we had met the year before just by the grace of God.
And I told him, I said, if you're ever through Austin, come by and see me,
knowing that the chances of that would be pretty slim.
He knocked on that guard door in May of 2007 and said,
the governor said, if I was ever through here, come by and see him.
They called.
I let him in for dinner.
And my wife, who's a nurse,
she recognized this young man who was really troubled,
addicted to opioids,
masking it with alcohol,
really sick.
And for the next two and a half years,
he lived with us at the governor's residence.
Wow.
And that started this long journey,
literally,
with him
and trying to find ways to heal him.
We sent him to a host of different places,
Carrick Brain Center in Dallas.
We sent him to what's called now Axios,
Athletes Performance in those days,
but a great rehab facility down in the