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CNN Interview, Ms. Rachel Propaganda, & The Uncancelables | The Tim Dillon Show #445

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dillon podcast.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for watching the interview on CNN, which they released.
And I am grateful to CNN for their honesty in putting out that entire interview
and not editing it.
And I want to thank Elle, the interviewer, for pushing for that.
I think it was a good conversation that highlighted a lot of differences
between myself and the interviewer in a respectful way.
And I think a lot of people are responding to that.
You know, a lot of people are saying, wow, you can just have a conversation and
not scream and yell and not be contentious and not be angry.
I think a lot of what people are missing is that people don't have a shared
base of knowledge.
So people feel like they're being attacked all the time.
But really, this woman just didn't know a lot of things.
And she had made assumptions based on not having the information.
So the way to deal with that is not to go, what the fuck are you talking about,
you stupid bit?
Like the way to deal with it is to go, oh, yeah, I don't think you realize X or
Y or Z.
It wasn't to, like, you know, fly off the handle and call her.
Like friends of mine were really angry at her.
I had friends of mine text me, how the fuck did she this?
Guys, she doesn't know.
She read a few articles about podcasts and then did this interview.
She's not a student of comedy.
She's not a scholar of comedy.
She doesn't understand a lot of the topics that she's talking about.
Or there are gaping holes in her understanding of certain things.
And if I can correct her in a nice way, that's the way to do it.
That's the way to do it.
And I think she probably left that interview going, okay.
Because her premise is that comedy is owned by Joe Rogan.
And the podcasts that are the ones that Trump went on and Vance are the only
podcasts that exist or are the biggest.
And that's simply not true.
Comedy has people from all stripes.
A lot of them are very successful.
A lot of them people have no idea who they are because everybody's siloed in
their own bubble.
You know, I tell people all the time how well other people are doing.
And friends of mine are shocked.
I go, you know that guy's doing this?
And they go, what?
What?
Because they're not in that.
It's not in their algorithm or on their feed.
They're not being exposed to it.
They don't know.
Amy Poehler has a tremendously popular podcast.
But a lot of people don't even know she has one.
But now they're doing all those rankings.
And you go, oh, Amy Poehler's got a really popular podcast.
The Midas Touch is a very popular liberal podcast with these lawyers who are
brothers or whatever.
But a lot of people wouldn't know what that is.
But it gets a ton of downloads.
You know, this whole idea that four or five podcasts were the deciding factor
in the election is a very convenient belief.
It's not true.
I said it the day after the election.
I recorded from Miami.
I said it.
No one's going to buy this.
No one's going to buy that Theo Vaughn swayed the course of human history.
I love Theo Vaughn, but you're putting too much pressure on him.
That's not what happened.
Does no one remember what happened with the old guy and the debate and the babbling
and then the who's going to do it?
And then Kamala comes in and then Trump gets shot and he survives with the hand
and the blood.
Like, you're leaving out so much to just bring up five podcasts.
You're leaving out, like, everything that happened.
Well, it's just these five podcasts.
But I like, I thought she was very nice.
She was not super combative.
And I've spoken to her since.
And I know that a lot of people have come down on her.
But her point of view is not unique.
That's not a rare point of view.
People are calling me, who's, who is she?
How'd they let her do that?
That is a point of view that is held by the majority of people in the media
that I speak to
who are trying to reconcile all of these things in their head.
Comedy's right wing now.
Da-da-da-da-da.
A lot of the people they describe are right wing are more centrist.
Some of them aren't.
But the idea that they dominate all of comedy is untrue.
It's completely untrue.
What has happened over the last five years is that all traditional media, all
of it,
television, film, streaming, less streaming, because streaming is still doing
very well,
but in certain, on certain platforms.
But all traditional media has declined and is in probably a terminal decline,
freefall.
So if you're pointing to liberal or left-leaning, left-of-center shows that are
on cable,
that doesn't mean that that comedy doesn't exist anymore or that those people
aren't relevant.
It means the platforms they're on are dying.
Cable is dying.
Comedy Central is dying.
I had a meeting with Comedy Central, I think in like 2018 or 2019,
with these two executives.
And I was sitting there and they said, and they were young, they were like in
their 20s, like late 20s,
and they said, we've got an exciting new venture.
And I said, what?
And they go, podcasting.
I go, podcasting?
It's 2019.
It's been around for like 10 years.
And they were getting into podcasting and digital stuff then.
And they didn't devote any real money to expanding their digital presence.
You got to remember, Comedy Central had this comedy audience and did nothing
with it on the internet.
They did nothing with it.
They were passed by every YouTube sketch group, every smosh, every whatever.
If you go back in time and you look at all of the early adapters to YouTube,
Comedy Central did nothing.
All of these legacy media institutions had massive audiences at one time.
And none of them, or very few of them, pivoted in a meaningful way to digital.
They didn't take their audience with them and say, hey guys, there's actually
this platform
that some people think is going to be pretty big.
It's called the internet.
They did nothing with it.
And these people, and I remember all of these comics that I was friends with,
telling me Hollywood's not going anywhere.
This was something people, Hollywood's not going anywhere.
And they believed it.
And I even believed it.
Not enough to not do my own thing, because I needed to survive.
But that was the belief that people said.
And they said to each other, the business is not going anywhere.
Stay in the business.
Stay.
I remember big comedians.
I won't say their names.
One of them said to a friend of mine, never make Hollywood the joke.
Never turn on them.
Now, there's good reasons for that, too.
You don't want to seem bitter, resentful, whatever.
And I understand what this comedian was saying.
But I think he was saying to the person, like, play your position no matter
what.
And the business will decide what you are.
Are you a writer?
Are you an actor?
Do you do a bit part?
Are you the star of the show?
Are you a stand-up comedian?
We'll decide.
The business will decide who and what you are.
And the business made a lot of great decisions.
A couple of bad ones.
But that was the accepted reality.
You can do everything you want to do.
And then you sit back and wait to see what happens.
And all of these people were sitting around going.
The business is not going anywhere.
Hollywood's not going anywhere.
I don't have to be on the internet.
I don't have to be on YouTube.
I don't have to be on social media.
I don't have to do these things.
I can do other things.
I get a check.
I get paid.
And again, this isn't a crusade against Hollywood.
All the movies I grew up with that I loved were made in that system.
All the television I watched that I grew up with was made in that system.
All the stand-up comedians that I loved, the vast majority of them existed on
that spectrum somewhere.
Some of them were beloved.
Some of them weren't.
Some of them were more on the outside.
But this is not an indictment of that.
I don't love the child rape.
If there was a couple of sticking points, throwing women in the Grand Canyon or
whatever they were doing.
But if you look at the product, the product, some of it was really good.
But there's an inevitability to innovation.
Things change rapidly.
And things changed.
And you had to be ignorant of it purposefully.
You had to bury your head in the sand.
You had to ignore it.
You had to be...
It was coming.
Louis C.K. released his own special on his own website.
That was a shot fired across the bow.
That was a pivotal moment where people were like, wow, you could do that.
You can do that.
That was a big thing.
He made Horace and Pete, right?
These are things.
You know, Joe Rogan had a podcast where he was doing these long-form interviews
and it was gaining tons of popularity.
And comics around his orbit in Los Angeles were building major followings
online.
And now it's on CNN.
But back then, it was ignored.
It was ignored because none of those people had a development deal with Fox or
HBO.
So all of the things that are now front-page news, and I don't even think they
should be, but they are, were ignored.
What today is being ignored that in five years is going to be the biggest story?
It's something I thought about as I left CNN a month ago.
I go, I remember when nobody cared.
I remember when this was a joke.
I remember when the word podcast was actually a joke.
Oh, go do a podcast.
And you know where those people are today?
All those people that made fun of podcasters, you know where they are today?
They're in Gaza.
I'm kidding.
They're actually on the other side, interestingly enough.
Here's my point.
I'm going to mix up geopolitics into this.
It's neither here nor there.
What I'm saying is always be looking out for whatever's coming.
I don't know what's coming.
If I did, I'd have a ton of money, a lot more than I do now.
I don't know what's next.
But I know that all the things that people made fun of and YouTube and podcasting,
this was all a slur.
It was a malediction.
It was a way to denigrate somebody and their career.
It was a way to insult them.
These things have now become very, very mainstream things.
I don't know what's coming next.
I don't know what's coming.
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I wanted to talk about this.
I don't know much about Miss Rachel.
I haven't consumed much of her content.
My godson, who is four, I don't think is a Miss Rachel fan either.
I don't know.
I don't know what he watches, but I don't think it's Miss Rachel.
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