Name: Ep 398 - The Enantiodromia of Vietnam (feat. Colin Quinn)
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Ep 398 - The Enantiodromia of Vietnam (feat. Colin Quinn)' from Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast on Comedy Buff. Published 2022-06-15. Transcript available.

Ep 398 - The Enantiodromia of Vietnam (feat. Colin Quinn)

so wow wow wes all right yes this is it we're on doing another history podcast
this time we've got
the colin quinn yes and today's topic is vietnam vietnam what a time yeah what
a crazy time i mean
in some ways i feel like it's the most important it changed everything plus it
was at that time
you know yeah but it changed i always feel like these things have like bigger
like what comes first
vietnam makes people was it a revolution where everybody's like we're fighting
against the
system or is vietnam the thing that triggers it off and it's would it have
happened without vietnam
with the 60s have happened without vietnam because vietnam as you know i'm
breaking about my extensive
knowledge started for america in the 40s yeah and yeah and it was um because we
were helping france
because we old france from the revolutionary war we yeah i was the thing i've
looked at it dude france
dragged us into this to the point oh france was france owned vietnam it was a
colony japan took it
when they went they got a little wild yeah yeah and then the united states
liberated it
okay and that was the thing ho chi minh the guy who ended up being the leader
of the vietcong
was like i love america that's right he was right he was writing letters to truman
that's saying like
i love you thank you they were like americans are the only free people on earth
these are incredible
people the leader of them yeah loved america yeah and then he started this is
the craziest part so france
goes back in after the war and is like we're taking it back and america was
like don't do that yeah and
we we were kind of siding with ho chi minh and the vietnamese and then france
was like this is the
beginning of the cold war so france is like hey if you guys don't support us
maybe we'll start listening
to russia and then america was like all right we'll we'll help you out damn
anyway that is interesting
and by the way speaking of ho chi minh writing letters to truman all those
letters were redacted
and like yeah till like 1970 something and half of them truman never got
because the secret service
was like wow he doesn't need to see these yeah yeah making those decisions
almost like those days
everybody made but that's the whole thing about vietnam too everybody's making
their own decisions
determining so the the when you have power you know when you disperse power in
that way everybody goes
i'll take this part and they're all just like and yeah and because of the cold
war the secret service
and the cia were like this is more important like the cia versus the kgb in russia
yeah yeah the soviet
union that became the two superpowers yeah and they were doing stuff like
undermining the president
to be like the war against russia is more i mean it was it's it's i i don't
like vietnam because of how
frustrating and stupid it is well but first of all the cia when you think about
it their whole thing
was the cold war first so all the drug dealing that happened in the 70s and 80s
was again through from
every cartel the cia when they like okay cia they would stop the dea from doing
their job all the time
because they're like the cold war these are anti-communists but they're the
heads of the
cartels but they're anti-communists and that was their priority so they they
made that choice
and i'm sure the president didn't want to make the choice whoever it was during
all those times but that
was the choice they always made damn then they did the just say no like 10
years later like come on
guys don't do drugs just say no but they didn't just say no they were still
telling the dea back off this
guy back off that guy oh it's so funny because they were saying look we think
communism is a greater
threat still in the late 80s it's crazy they were right we got a tiny taste of
it here and it's
pretty annoying communism yeah especially when the communists are rich and like
30 years old yeah and
getting duis you see nazi pelosi's called he's 82 and caught a dui anyway well
i think somebody 82
catching dui i admire that i i do too yeah i mean i should be free that should
be like let you go on
that all right all right we're getting off topic so true yeah vietnam the
french french french are
fucking dickheads brutal they were dickheads so they dragged us in they were
absolutely dragged us
in the letters they dragged us in but we wanted into i mean we could have left
we could have left
ten we could have left i mean if you i read this book a bright shining light
just happened to be
reading it by the way whenever you read a book it was especially a kindle try
to find out how many
pages it is oh yeah this book's 800 pages so i was reading like oh this is a
bright shining light
isn't sound like a long book yeah it's the history of everything but uh but france
they left we helped
them so there was one that would turn out she been one of the things that
turned them is we decided we
supplied france with all these um all the mortars and everything where they
destroyed a lot of it is
vietnam and that turned yeah uh them against america too oh yeah man yeah it
was uh there was a battle i
forget the name of it so i was just watching ken burns on it what is it the end
ban yes so the french
were kind of up the vietnamese i mean they had it was the same as us first then
they had superior fire
power but again just like time and time again the vietnamese were very good at
guerrilla warfare because
we trained them during world war ii oh yeah yeah a little you know mujahadine
type yeah and
they were about to come to talks france and vietnam they're about to come to
the table before
they went to have talks they both tried to get one more offensive in so they
had leverage when they
went to talks nice so france sets up at what's it bien dead yeah they just put
themselves at the
bottom of this valley and they're like we're just gonna build an airfield here
we're gonna them up
one of the french generals was like i have too many guns we're gonna these
dudes up damn the vietnamese
surrounded them in this valley and just destroyed them the french guy the
general that led that killed
himself honorably because he was like we're gonna wipe the floor with these
guys why are they going
to valley isn't that bad i'm not a military tactician but is that not the good
idea it was a bad idea well
it's funny you said it because even case on the famous 14 years later america
did the same thing
set themselves up in a it was surrounded by all the mountains so created a
valley and set up an airstrip
a landing strip in the valley and got killed because damn it's really amazing i
mean that the other thing
on vietnam is you realize how like how you know you always think when you're
young at least like the
people in charge they spend all their time doing this they know what they're
doing but there were so
many egos involved that the few people were like this is not working we're just
they were just like
stop yeah you don't know what you're saying just because of ego people think
all their motive was
they wanted money they would still get the money this was about like something
else a power struggle
that where you pay the price or the troops pay the price yeah it sucks yeah if
you're just some dude
sitting in a village and some guy had an argument you're just getting blown up
you're like what the
fuck is this about oh and the other guy couldn't come to grips with it he was
like no it i'm right
in the early 60s that this hamlet program where they would bring they said we're
going to bring all
these weapons to each hamlet all these little hamlets because it was kind of
half and half like north
korea and they put all these weapons to all these hamlets and said look you're
in charge of the weapons
it was all american-made modern stuff and of course the vietcong who kind of
controlled more or less
they're the hearts of the people they took all the weapons so we supplied the vietcong
all these
weapons in the early 60s and it kept them going it genuinely makes me like i
all my information is
from the ken burns documentary right and i watch it and every time i'm watching
it i by episode two i'm like
what the is going like it's yeah it doesn't make sense well i don't know if
this was in the ken
burns documentary but did you see the guy it is i think it is i saw that can't
buy
uh is beckwith with the guy in the an advisor colonel beckwith oh yeah charging
charlie beckwith
and he goes they interview him and he go uh what do you think of the vietcong
he goes finest soldier
i've ever seen this is in 1965 well he goes what the vietcong he goes best
soldier oh she had 200 of
them under my command and right away like oh we should have realized something
was up then well they
also they'd been fighting for 30 years these dudes have been fighting since
like world war ii they
didn't stop fighting really from world war ii until the end of vietnam they
were fighting constantly and
their home territory yeah and they're so small they had to be crafting all the
tunnels all the trails
they know everything oh yeah you know was that the first american war where
like the american
troops were like what the going what's the point of this the first time i'm
sure they were a little
bit like actually yeah korea korea we did we called the scooter korea yeah macarthur
everybody was
like don't do this because it was like i love the people loved him yeah the korean
people like this
guys are savior and he just was like a king over there yeah and then he just
said we're gonna do
it this way i forget he landed on the coast so he did something that was
strategically a nightmare
and even his generals are like don't do this what are you doing and he goes i
know what i'm doing and
yeah okay here you go dude that stinks he referred to himself in the third
person did he yeah yeah he
was wild macarthur was wild that's so he might get a bad rap though i kind of
like him yeah no he was
beloved look the people loved him because he japan loved him because after
world war ii they were
expecting because they were so horrendous during world war ii they expected him
to really bear down
and he treated them like he said you treat these people like human beings so
japanese people treat
him like a god so he felt like a god that's tough to shake off that would get
me yeah i was getting like
samurai glory i'd be like yeah you know what i know like presenting you swords
and you get to
wear one of those cool suits if i had one of those cool suits i'm like who do i
also i think that's
why god never even let me sell out like the beacon or something like that he
keeps me at a level of
three to four hundred seats on the road and there's a reason for it oh man so
yeah what was it so
chronologically the french drag so we were like so it's a french colony then
there's world war ii japan
takes over and and like always when japan would invade every all the asian
countries were like nice
finally the white colonists are gone yeah we're gonna get treated well and they
immediately get
starved to death and beheaded and with it sucks so then when the americans
liberated vietnam
and the british whoever they were like you we love america then france after
world war ii who just got
their ass whooped yeah yeah they're like actually we want those colonies back
nice yeah and you know
and vietnam was like no this is ours now yeah we're independent again so then
do they have to write a
letter to vietnam like hey buddy uh we're coming back bad news yeah yeah uh so
yeah sorry we'll we should
start chronologically yeah let you uh all i watch is ken burns what oh what are
we talking about
well i don't know whatever you want what you said and then so then france when
they lost you know i
mean the geneva uh talks geneva i think it was the first geneva talk back then
maybe not but then that
was the best one was that was the best one first you know and um and then um we
went in eisenhower
said we're just going to arm them in the 50s you know we're just going to keep
arming them bec