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Yeah, man, that story was fascinating, the SNL story.
And then last night you said that you and Lauren still keep in touch a little
bit.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's great.
Yeah, I'll text her sometime.
Yeah, we chat a little.
Did he feel bad, do you feel like?
I believe he did, but you never know.
Yeah.
Yeah, you never know.
You never know.
He could have been the one that was like, get rid of him.
But from his, what I've heard is no.
Did you feel like whenever you were going through that,
there was nobody standing up for you?
Or did you feel like, did you have any thoughts like that?
Sometimes you feel like that, yeah.
I feel like that most of my life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Most of the show is about that.
So it's like, but did you feel like?
I mean, like, I just wonder what some of that was like.
Like, was there?
Yeah, there's one thing that's very surreal.
It's very surreal.
Yeah, even your story, listening to your story about going in there.
Yeah.
Sitting in there.
I'm like in the story.
I'm like, oh my God.
Yeah, when you're in the waiting room.
Like, because when you go audition, you're like,
I also never thought I'd get it.
I was literally, I was going in there like,
probably not going to get this.
Yeah.
I knew what I had done in the past.
Right.
You know?
I knew my crimes.
I couldn't believe I was in this fucking building.
And then, yeah, you walk in, you see that stage.
You're like, holy shit, this is awesome.
Because I wasn't nervous until I saw that.
Oh, because it's the real stage from TV?
Yeah, you do it on the, you audition on the main stage.
Oh, wow.
It was crazy.
Dang.
Yeah, it was cool.
It was cool.
It was really cool.
Dang.
But then when you get canceled nationally, it's a very, also it's a lot smaller
than you'd think.
It is?
It's very small.
That stage?
Wow.
I always thought it was huge, yeah.
Eddie Murphy had been on there.
Yeah.
Sorry to bring that up, but yeah, but he was on there, but so were you.
I was also on there.
You were on there.
Did you ever feel like you were a patsy, like it was a setup?
Did you ever think about that?
No.
I don't think so.
Unless it had something to do with Epstein.
Epstein was like that week.
My story overshadowed Epstein.
Ah.
You never know.
Bro, there's so much power out there.
I mean, they could easily say, hey, let's bring in a gentleman, a good
gentleman.
And smear him.
But did that ever cross your mind or no?
No.
No.
Just from the way everybody talked leading up to it, before the cancel.
Like, they knew I wasn't like a conservative guy.
Right.
By their standards, yes, I am.
Of course.
But they weren't like, oh, let's get this guy because he likes Trump.
It's like, no.
I literally auditioned with a joke about Trump dying.
Right.
Being funny.
Right.
So.
Looking back, do you feel like there was anything you could have done different?
Or was this, this was the way that this was going to work out no matter what?
No.
I mean, I definitely wouldn't have changed what we did.
Our podcast.
You know?
Yeah.
That's, yeah.
That's how I got to New York.
Right.
So.
What about the articles and then suddenly your name is out there in such a way?
That was crazy.
That's.
Because I was never anything.
Right.
Like, I did like new faces that year.
Wow.
And then all of a sudden it was like, you're getting, I was, that was what
fucked me.
Up was like the comments.
Now I, now I read comments.
I always read.
I've been stuck reading comments.
I can't stop reading comments.
And it doesn't like destroy me anymore.
I'm starting to get, but it comes and goes.
Like, I'll be like, all right, it doesn't bother me at all.
And then every once in a while somebody will get a fucking dagger on me.
And I'm just like, ooh.
But I would read like articles and stuff.
And I would have like dreams.
I was having like nightmares about like articles and comments and all that shit.
It was crazy.
Damn.
Yeah.
Which is so crazy to see your name that.
It's like, it's so much bigger.
It feels so much bigger than you.
You're like, I'm just one person with.
Yeah.
And it was all, it was, it was funny sometimes.
Like, it was very funny sometimes.
Like, cause it was with my friend, Matt.
So like, I'd be like, oh shit.
You remember we said that?
Like, I totally forgot about that.
And then there'd be an article.
It's like, Judd Apatow's gayer than ISIS.
And we're like, oh shit.
That's pretty funny.
But you know, I feel bad.
That shouldn't have, you know, sucks that he's got to see that.
Yeah.
Who, Judd Apatow?
Yeah.
Nah.
True.
Yeah.
I don't think he had, he didn't care, obviously.
Right.
Which is nice of him.
Cause I was down.
He could have been like, fuck that guy.
Yeah.
He could have chimed in also.
You ever get canceled?
You're going to get canceled, do you think?
We'll see how this episode does.
Yes.
And I feel bad saying this in front of Riley over there.
I know.
Just a lot.
But anyway, man, what were we talking about?
I got hired and fired by Saturday Night Live.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was a traumatic experience.
But I feel like, do you feel like there is any positives from it over time?
For sure.
Have you started to notice any positives?
I noticed, I noticed positives immediately.
Did you really?
Yeah, for sure.
Like you go on stage and people are like, oh shit, this is, you know.
This is who this is.
This is a guy.
Oh, wow.
So you went from.
I never had, I had zero.
And then to like, oh, this guy's good.
You know.
Or like, not good, but this is a fucking freak.
This is who he is.
This is the thing.
Yeah.
We get to see this freak.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But then it's in your head when it's happening.
Because like, you'd see people, like at any show, people talk to each other,
like whisper
at the table.
And they're like, are you fucking talking about me, motherfucker?
And they're like, who are you?
I'm like, you know.
You know what I did?
You motherfucker.
Yeah.
So you'd be up there.
You just, you're in your head constantly.
Oh.
And then it's then like, you meet people that are all, you know, comedians in
New York.
And I'm like, oh, this fucker hates me probably, or they probably talk shit or
whatever.
So it's just constant.
And nobody cares.
No one else cares.
It's just you.
Right.
I wonder what most people feel or think.
I guess you never know.
It's weird how, it's like, yeah, do people even really care?
It's almost like a lot of the cancel stuff, it's not even a real thing.
It's just, no one cares.
No one really cared about what you said.
Yeah.
No one did.
I never once was confronted by one person that cared.
Really?
It was always just like, well, you should have been fired.
You can't do it.
It's like, all right, whatever.
It's kind of weird.
It's like this, it's like this invisible rule book.
It is.
And we're trying, like, like right now, like with me trying to sell anything or
like work
on anything, like a show or anything, people are very like, well, we like you,
but, you
know, we can't get in trouble.
Right.
It's like, no one cares about, nobody's like, well, the reason we're not
picking you up
is because what you did was wrong.
They're just like, well, we don't want to get in trouble.
It's so weird.
You know, it's like a weird pussy.
There's this invisible principle.
It's because every time, yeah, someone's like, ooh.
Yeah.
The whole world's like, ooh.
While it happened, I was like, oh, I'm fired for sure.
And then it just got drawn out.
Like, I knew I was fucked.
Yeah.
Because if they were mad about that, there's.
There's other stuff.
There's a lot.
Right.
This is, you know.
Do you think, do you think that you would have fired you?
No.
But under the rules, today's rules, yeah, you have to.
Right.
Those are the rules.
But if you want to, you know what I mean?
That's what I've always tried to say.
Like, I didn't, I don't argue me getting fired.
Right.
Those are today's rules.
If you want to talk about, like, I would have to argue, like, we need to change
the rules.
Right.
You know?
Yeah.
If that makes sense, I don't know if I'm explaining that correctly.
Yeah, I think so.
Whatever.
Like, the rules are what's.
I, this might not be what's wrong.
The rules, there should be adjustment in the rules.
Yeah.
Well, it's so interesting when you take a stand up from what's okay to be on
stage.
And then try to put it, because you weren't a sketch guy, really, or you were.
No, not really.
So, you're in that space suddenly, and do you feel like you were a good fit for
the show?
Yeah, I think I could have been.
Yeah.
For sure.
I think I could have done well.
Yeah.
I mean, we made sketches, and I did okay in those.
Yeah.
So, I think I could have.
And I think Lorne saw that, and he was like, I think he could be good.
You know?
Yeah.
Or I could have been decent at Weekend Update, something like that.
Yeah.
That would have been cool.
That would have been fun.
Was there anybody that reached out to you, kind of, that you were surprised by,
that
was, like, trying to be supportive?
Yeah, for sure.
Really?
There's a lot.
Yeah.
Wow.
Every, yeah.
A lot of people did.
Lorne McDonald was a cool one.
Really?
Yeah, that was a cool one.
I talked to him for, like, an hour.
No!
On the phone, yeah.
Wow.
It was crazy.
Yeah, he's the best.
What did he say?
He's another guy that's exactly who you think he is, you know?
Yeah.
He was just like, eh.
I don't know.
I don't want to put out the private stuff.
Yeah, he was awesome.
All that stuff.
All that stuff was cool.
It was cool stuff.
Cool stuff happened.
But it was, again, it was very surreal.
Like, you'd, I'd get off, I'd be like, holy shit, that's, like, top five for me.
Favorite comedians of all time.
Just got, I was just walking around my backyard talking to them.
And then I'd come back inside to my shitty apartment with my roommates, with my
35-year-old
male roommates, and I'd sit back down and turn the news on, and it's like,
piece of shit,
Shane Gillis was fired, bro.
What a terrible person he is.
And, I mean, it was just very surreal.
So, it was kind of like, I didn't even have time to be, like, sad.
It was just very stressful and, like, kind of funny when I was just with my
friends.
Right.
You know?
Like, because they would just keep quoting, and they kept trying to get us in
more trouble
by finding old quotes.
Oh.
And every once in a while, they would miss, and they wouldn't be offensive, and
it would
just be funny.
Mm-hmm.
And they would publish them.
Like, a lady from the New York Times was, like, he called civil women who
fought in the
Civil War secretly, flat-chested bitches.
She, like, tweeted that, and people were like, this is pretty funny stuff.
She was like, it's not funny.
Yeah, the New York, it made me hate the fuck, I hate journalists, dude.
Oh, that's the worst.
I fucking hate journalists so much.
LA Times and New York Times, it's the worst.
Yeah, it's like, what are you doing?
Knock it off.
Yeah, when, do you think that you were part of, like, you know, the Asian hate
thing started?
Do you feel like you had anything to do with that?
Yeah, I was pretty bad luck.
Did you feel like you started that at all?
No.
But I was actually, yeah, now that you mention it, yes.
I was one of the first, I was definitely early in the Asian hate community.
Because after that, that's when it kind of took off, I feel like.
That's when, yeah.
But it wasn't obviously, I mean, that's ridiculous.
No, that's fine.
It was kind of, yeah.
I mean, it was media attention about a slur.
Right.
Directed at Asian people.
So, yes.
That definitely, and people are perfectly reasonable to see a headline that
says, this guy said this slur.
And they're perfectly reasonable to be like, fuck that guy.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Because, and I do the same thing.
I don't read articles.
Right.
I'll see a fucking headline.
I'll be like, oh shit, they're guilty.
Yeah.
Fuck them.
Or there's no context.
Or who knows, how the fuck does the Washington Post report on a podcast from
2018?
Right.
Let's see the accuracy they're using here.
Or are they just like, this guy's getting fired for being racist.
Clicks.
What can we find?
Clicks.
It's crazy, huh?
Yeah, they don't get, no one cares.
It's all done.
The caring is done.
The problem is though, is when they write those articles, after what I've said,
that doesn't count.
When they write an article that says a slur, like this guy used this slur, then
normal people who obviously would have never heard Matt and Shane's secret
podcast are like, holy shit.
He said, like they're just, in the New York Times, it's like, here's the word
that that guy said that's bad.
Right.
That would have never reached these people ever.
You know?
What percentage did your viewership go up after the article?
It probably doubled.
Yeah.
Since the months after SNL, our listenership probably quadrupled.
Yeah, for sure.
Because then people heard about it and watched it.
So it's helped the podcast.
Like, this is actually funny.
So it's helped the podcast.
Tremendously.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't love talking about cancel culture.
Yeah.
I'm sorry, man.
No, no, no.
Don't be sorry.
I'm kind of, I mean, I did it.
I did it to myself.
I'm sorry about that.
I'm kind of the cancel culture guy now, so.
I don't know if you are.
It's also just a fascinating topic right now.
I know.
It's just, it gets, like when people are.
Do you feel like it'll start to just suddenly, that's who you'll always be then?
I don't think so.
I don't think so either.
I'm confident I'm good enough at stand-up that I'm not going to be a guy who
got canceled.
Then if you know that about yourself, then you're going to be fine.
Yeah.
I am fine.
I'm not worried about that.
I never really was.
I never was like, this is going to, it'll always be part of my story.
That's how I was introduced into the comedy world.
Yeah.
But, was there any Asian comedians that were supportive?
Yeah, for sure.
That's cool.
For sure.
Definitely behind closed doors.
In fact, everybody was supportive behind the scenes.
Right.
And that's to my face too.
So I'm sure there was a lot of them that weren't very supportive, that weren't
just going to
walk up to me.
Like, I've had problems with people and I'm not going to walk up to them and be
like,
you know, you're a piece of shit.
Right.
So of course nobody's saying it.
Everything's kind of, yeah.
But yeah, there were a lot of people, for sure.
That's cool, man.
Yeah.
I mean, they, I think there were a lot of people that had conversations with
people that
knew me, that actually knew me, that were like, oh, okay.
You know, like if you see a headline and you're like, oh shit, this guy said
what?
And then you look at, or you call his friend and you're like, is he like a
racist dude?
And they're like, no, not at all.
He was fucking around.
Yeah.
It changes things.
You're just like, oh, all right.
Yeah.
Because I read an article that said he was racist.
Well, it's weird because it makes it scary to talk about anything sometimes
because you're
like, and it's also as podcasters, it's like, they could,
go back through anything and take out three or four words from so many things.
For sure.
Absolutely.
But not many dudes are getting, I don't know, SNL seems like one of the few
jobs that they
would do that for.
Like, they're not going to go back and cancel guys just willy nilly.
They're not just going to, like, it's got to be a big, you know, if you're
starring in
a movie, then people might be like, all right, let's take a look at them.
Let's go listen to a couple of that.
Yeah.
See his episodes.
Yeah.
Riley Mao, you're an Asian guy.
This is the guy that did it to you.
How do you feel?
I feel great.
Do you remember what happened?
I do.
Do you really?
You do?
I do.
Oh, nice.
Well, not nice, but I'm saying I'm surprised you know about it.
Because sometimes when people don't know about it, particularly when they're
Asian, I got
to be like, well, here's what I said.
Like, I'll get done with a show and there'll be Asian.
There's obviously there's Asian people that like comedy.
Right.
They come to shows and they're like, you were our favorite tonight.
What's your name?
Mark Norman.
You know what I mean?
You don't want to get hit with the fucking Google in front of you.
Like, they're like, what's your Instagram?
I'll look it up.
It's like Shane Gillis.
That was the wildest part was taking the train because I was poor when I got
canceled.
Yeah.
So like, that's the only way I travel.
And like, people would be on the train, like reading the news.
And for three days, I was the news.
I was the news.
So people would literally be like, like on the subway, like looking at me, sit
there.
Like, did you try to look nicer when you were the news?
Did you notice at all?
Honestly, you definitely act nicer to everyone around you when you're in
trouble like that.
Oh, for sure.
You want everyone to think like, he's a nice guy.
Yeah, it's fucked up, but you definitely become a lot.
Now, maybe it's because you're not as stressed about minor things where you
would have an ego
with somebody about like, did you just bump me or some bullshit like that.
When you're getting canceled, you're like, I love you.
We love each other, right?
It's like, you want everyone to like you because you're getting destroyed
publicly.
Maybe I wonder if that's why some comedians always want everybody, they always,
I wonder
if there's some correlation in there why a lot of comedians, that's why you
want everybody
to like you because you feel like from the jump or something you've.
You feel like a bad guy.
You feel bad.
Yes.
Maybe.
I think a lot of comedians feel bad.
I feel bad.
Yeah.
I feel bad most of the time.
Yeah.
But yeah, when you, when you're getting in trouble, you're nice to everybody.
It's very funny.
Dang.
Yeah.
That's cool.
Yeah.
It's funny knowing that like Harvey Weinstein was probably nice as hell towards
the end.
It's probably, huh?
Like when the shit hit the fan, it was probably like.
He's probably buying everybody like Harry and David baskets.
I love you guys, dude.
I fucked up.
I know I fucked up.
Damn.
Yeah.
The whole having to explain people what happened is a tough one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you feel some type of way over there, Riley and Mal?
Sometimes.
No.
Do you have any, do you feel anything about what Shane did?
Oh.
No, not really.
Okay.
Yeah.
You guys are good.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that.
Of course.
I didn't mean anything.
I apologize.
Thanks, Theo.
That's a good.
A little alley-oop for me?
Is that what that was?
I didn't realize that.
What the fuck did you think that was going to be?
How did you think that was going to go?
Here's the guy who did it.
Here's that son of a bitch who did it.
How do you feel about it?
I just meant.
Here's the opportunity.
I can't even see him.
Yeah.
Well, I can.
And it's not comfortable.
My bad, man.
No, it's funny.
Oh, Jesus Christ, dude.
Yeah, bring me on and be like, we've actually brought in one of your victims.
It's like that show where you go sit with the murderer's family or whatever.
Hope you enjoyed that video.
And you can watch another.
And you can watch this one.
You can watch this one.
Different options.
Different choices.
Some guy just brings you one option.
Not this guy.
Two options.
Watch one.
This one or this one.

Shane Gillis on Getting Canceled and Fired From SNL

Yeah, man, that story was fascinating, the SNL story.
And then last night you said that you and Lauren still keep in touch a little
bit.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's great.
Yeah, I'll text her sometime.
Yeah, we chat a little.
Did he feel bad, do you feel like?
I believe he did, but you never know.
Yeah.
Yeah, you never know.
You never know.
He could have been the one that was like, get rid of him.
But from his, what I've heard is no.
Did you feel like whenever you were going through that,
there was nobody standing up for you?
Or did you feel like, did you have any thoughts like that?
Sometimes you feel like that, yeah.
I feel like that most of my life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Most of the show is about that.
So it's like, but did you feel like?
I mean, like, I just wonder what some of that was like.
Like, was there?
Yeah, there's one thing that's very surreal.
It's very surreal.
Yeah, even your story, listening to your story about going in there.
Yeah.
Sitting in there.
I'm like in the story.
I'm like, oh my God.
Yeah, when you're in the waiting room.
Like, because when you go audition, you're like,
I also never thought I'd get it.
I was literally, I was going in there like,
probably not going to get this.
Yeah.
I knew what I had done in the past.
Right.
You know?
I knew my crimes.
I couldn't believe I was in this fucking building.
And then, yeah, you walk in, you see that stage.
You're like, holy shit, this is awesome.
Because I wasn't nervous until I saw that.
Oh, because it's the real stage from TV?
Yeah, you do it on the, you audition on the main stage.
Oh, wow.
It was crazy.
Dang.
Yeah, it was cool.
It was cool.
It was really cool.
Dang.
But then when you get canceled nationally, it's a very, also it's a lot smaller
than you'd think.
It is?
It's very small.
That stage?
Wow.
I always thought it was huge, yeah.
Eddie Murphy had been on there.
Yeah.
Sorry to bring that up, but yeah, but he was on there, but so were you.
I was also on there.
You were on there.
Did you ever feel like you were a patsy, like it was a setup?
Did you ever think about that?
No.
I don't think so.
Unless it had something to do with Epstein.
Epstein was like that week.
My story overshadowed Epstein.
Ah.
You never know.
Bro, there's so much power out there.
I mean, they could easily say, hey, let's bring in a gentleman, a good
gentleman.
And smear him.
But did that ever cross your mind or no?
No.
No.
Just from the way everybody talked leading up to it, before the cancel.
Like, they knew I wasn't like a conservative guy.
Right.
By their standards, yes, I am.
Of course.
But they weren't like, oh, let's get this guy because he likes Trump.
It's like, no.
I literally auditioned with a joke about Trump dying.
Right.
Being funny.
Right.
So.
Looking back, do you feel like there was anything you could have done different?
Or was this, this was the way that this was going to work out no matter what?
No.
I mean, I definitely wouldn't have changed what we did.
Our podcast.
You know?
Yeah.
That's, yeah.
That's how I got to New York.
Right.
So.
What about the articles and then suddenly your name is out there in such a way?
That was crazy.
That's.
Because I was never anything.
Right.
Like, I did like new faces that year.
Wow.
And then all of a sudden it was like, you're getting, I was, that was what
fucked me.
Up was like the comments.
Now I, now I read comments.
I always read.
I've been stuck reading comments.
I can't stop reading comments.
And it doesn't like destroy me anymore.
I'm starting to get, but it comes and goes.
Like, I'll be like, all right, it doesn't bother me at all.
And then every once in a while somebody will get a fucking dagger on me.
And I'm just like, ooh.
But I would read like articles and stuff.
And I would have like dreams.
I was having like nightmares about like articles and comments and all that shit.
It was crazy.
Damn.
Yeah.
Which is so crazy to see your name that.
It's like, it's so much bigger.
It feels so much bigger than you.
You're like, I'm just one person with.
Yeah.
And it was all, it was, it was funny sometimes.
Like, it was very funny sometimes.
Like, cause it was with my friend, Matt.
So like, I'd be like, oh shit.
You remember we said that?
Like, I totally forgot about that.
And then there'd be an article.
It's like, Judd Apatow's gayer than ISIS.
And we're like, oh shit.
That's pretty funny.
But you know, I feel bad.
That shouldn't have, you know, sucks that he's got to see that.
Yeah.
Who, Judd Apatow?
Yeah.
Nah.
True.
Yeah.
I don't think he had, he didn't care, obviously.
Right.
Which is nice of him.
Cause I was down.
He could have been like, fuck that guy.
Yeah.
He could have chimed in also.
You ever get canceled?
You're going to get canceled, do you think?
We'll see how this episode does.
Yes.
And I feel bad saying this in front of Riley over there.
I know.
Just a lot.
But anyway, man, what were we talking about?
I got hired and fired by Saturday Night Live.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was a traumatic experience.
But I feel like, do you feel like there is any positives from it over time?
For sure.
Have you started to notice any positives?
I noticed, I noticed positives immediately.
Did you really?
Yeah, for sure.
Like you go on stage and people are like, oh shit, this is, you know.
This is who this is.
This is a guy.
Oh, wow.
So you went from.
I never had, I had zero.
And then to like, oh, this guy's good.
You know.
Or like, not good, but this is a fucking freak.
This is who he is.
This is the thing.
Yeah.
We get to see this freak.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But then it's in your head when it's happening.
Because like, you'd see people, like at any show, people talk to each other,
like whisper
at the table.
And they're like, are you fucking talking about me, motherfucker?
And they're like, who are you?
I'm like, you know.
You know what I did?
You motherfucker.
Yeah.
So you'd be up there.
You just, you're in your head constantly.
Oh.
And then it's then like, you meet people that are all, you know, comedians in
New York.
And I'm like, oh, this fucker hates me probably, or they probably talk shit or
whatever.
So it's just constant.
And nobody cares.
No one else cares.
It's just you.
Right.
I wonder what most people feel or think.
I guess you never know.
It's weird how, it's like, yeah, do people even really care?
It's almost like a lot of the cancel stuff, it's not even a real thing.
It's just, no one cares.
No one really cared about what you said.
Yeah.
No one did.
I never once was confronted by one person that cared.
Really?
It was always just like, well, you should have been fired.
You can't do it.
It's like, all right, whatever.
It's kind of weird.
It's like this, it's like this invisible rule book.
It is.
And we're trying, like, like right now, like with me trying to sell anything or
like work
on anything, like a show or anything, people are very like, well, we like you,
but, you
know, we can't get in trouble.
Right.
It's like, no one cares about, nobody's like, well, the reason we're not
picking you up
is because what you did was wrong.
They're just like, well, we don't want to get in trouble.
It's so weird.
You know, it's like a weird pussy.
There's this invisible principle.
It's because every time, yeah, someone's like, ooh.
Yeah.
The whole world's like, ooh.
While it happened, I was like, oh, I'm fired for sure.
And then it just got drawn out.
Like, I knew I was fucked.
Yeah.
Because if they were mad about that, there's.
There's other stuff.
There's a lot.
Right.
This is, you know.
Do you think, do you think that you would have fired you?
No.
But under the rules, today's rules, yeah, you have to.
Right.
Those are the rules.
But if you want to, you know what I mean?
That's what I've always tried to say.
Like, I didn't, I don't argue me getting fired.
Right.
Those are today's rules.
If you want to talk about, like, I would have to argue, like, we need to change
the rules.
Right.
You know?
Yeah.
If that makes sense, I don't know if I'm explaining that correctly.
Yeah, I think so.
Whatever.
Like, the rules are what's.
I, this might not be what's wrong.
The rules, there should be adjustment in the rules.
Yeah.
Well, it's so interesting when you take a stand up from what's okay to be on
stage.
And then try to put it, because you weren't a sketch guy, really, or you were.
No, not really.
So, you're in that space suddenly, and do you feel like you were a good fit for
the show?
Yeah, I think I could have been.
Yeah.
For sure.
I think I could have done well.
Yeah.
I mean, we made sketches, and I did okay in those.
Yeah.
So, I think I could have.
And I think Lorne saw that, and he was like, I think he could be good.
You know?
Yeah.
Or I could have been decent at Weekend Update, something like that.
Yeah.
That would have been cool.
That would have been fun.
Was there anybody that reached out to you, kind of, that you were surprised by,
that
was, like, trying to be supportive?
Yeah, for sure.
Really?
There's a lot.
Yeah.
Wow.
Every, yeah.
A lot of people did.
Lorne McDonald was a cool one.
Really?
Yeah, that was a cool one.
I talked to him for, like, an hour.
No!
On the phone, yeah.
Wow.
It was crazy.
Yeah, he's the best.
What did he say?
He's another guy that's exactly who you think he is, you know?
Yeah.
He was just like, eh.
I don't know.
I don't want to put out the private stuff.
Yeah, he was awesome.
All that stuff.
All that stuff was cool.
It was cool stuff.
Cool stuff happened.
But it was, again, it was very surreal.
Like, you'd, I'd get off, I'd be like, holy shit, that's, like, top five for me.
Favorite comedians of all time.
Just got, I was just walking around my backyard talking to them.
And then I'd come back inside to my shitty apartment with my roommates, with my
35-year-old
male roommates, and I'd sit back down and turn the news on, and it's like,
piece of shit,
Shane Gillis was fired, bro.
What a terrible person he is.
And, I mean, it was just very surreal.
So, it was kind of like, I didn't even have time to be, like, sad.
It was just very stressful and, like, kind of funny when I was just with my
friends.
Right.
You know?
Like, because they would just keep quoting, and they kept trying to get us in
more trouble
by finding old quotes.
Oh.
And every once in a while, they would miss, and they wouldn't be offensive, and
it would
just be funny.
Mm-hmm.
And they would publish them.
Like, a lady from the New York Times was, like, he called civil women who
fought in the
Civil War secretly, flat-chested bitches.
She, like, tweeted that, and people were like, this is pretty funny stuff.
She was like, it's not funny.
Yeah, the New York, it made me hate the fuck, I hate journalists, dude.
Oh, that's the worst.
I fucking hate journalists so much.
LA Times and New York Times, it's the worst.
Yeah, it's like, what are you doing?
Knock it off.
Yeah, when, do you think that you were part of, like, you know, the Asian hate
thing started?
Do you feel like you had anything to do with that?
Yeah, I was pretty bad luck.
Did you feel like you started that at all?
No.
But I was actually, yeah, now that you mention it, yes.
I was one of the first, I was definitely early in the Asian hate community.
Because after that, that's when it kind of took off, I feel like.
That's when, yeah.
But it wasn't obviously, I mean, that's ridiculous.
No, that's fine.
It was kind of, yeah.
I mean, it was media attention about a slur.
Right.
Directed at Asian people.
So, yes.
That definitely, and people are perfectly reasonable to see a headline that
says, this guy said this slur.
And they're perfectly reasonable to be like, fuck that guy.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Because, and I do the same thing.
I don't read articles.
Right.
I'll see a fucking headline.
I'll be like, oh shit, they're guilty.
Yeah.
Fuck them.
Or there's no context.
Or who knows, how the fuck does the Washington Post report on a podcast from
2018?
Right.
Let's see the accuracy they're using here.
Or are they just like, this guy's getting fired for being racist.
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