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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Jordan Peterson Discusses His Court-Ordered Social Media Training' from Theo Von Clips on Comedy Buff. Published 2023-08-30. Transcript available.

- You're on a trial right now, Kyle, you're under.
- Yes, it's essentially a trial.
- You're being brought up on,
you have to take social media.
- Re-education.
- Re-education from your provinces saying this,
is that right?
- It's a professional group,
but they have delegated authority from the provinces.
So there are regulated professions.
- Okay.
- And engineers, lawyers, physicians,
psychologists, social workers, teachers,
there's a few others.
And if you're in a regulated profession,
there's a professional body that governs professional conduct
to which the public has access in case people misbehave.
And so the Ontario College of Psychologists,
it's college as in group,
professional group rather than university.
And it's the Ontario College of Psychologists
that have decided to pursue initially 13 charges against me.
They dropped seven.
Why they dropped those seven is a complete mystery
as is everything else they do.
- You can submit a complaint to the College of Psychologists
online with a form.
And so what's happened, at least in part,
is because that's become so easy,
it's become weaponized by activists.
So for example,
if you wanna cause anybody who's a professional trouble,
all you have to do is submit a complaint to the college.
The college will look into the complaint,
every complaint,
and then decide whether they'll proceed.
Now they're not supposed to proceed
if the complaints are vexatious
or just troublemaking,
but they've decided that me complaining on Twitter
about Trudeau, for example,
is unprofessional and is a disgrace to the profession,
which is essentially what I've been charged with,
is being a disgrace to the profession.
- So it's trying to hold up what they presume
as some esteem of the profession.
- That's the theory and some professional standards.
And you know, I would say for decades
that system actually worked pretty well
because the people who sat on it
weren't ideologically addled,
and the public wasn't using it in a weaponized manner,
but that's changed completely.
And now every professional in Canada,
and I believe that to be true,
is essentially without exception,
unless they're on the far left,
are completely unwilling to ever utter any opinion
about anything in the political
or their professional realm,
especially in relationship to medicine and psychology.
So I appealed this ruling.
So the ruling essentially is that
I have to take social media retraining
with a social media expert,
and I'd like to make it very clear,
there is no such thing as,
there's no profession.
- Yeah, it's like the Wizard of Oz,
like who is it going to be?
Is it, do you know the expert?
- No, I don't.
- That's crazy.
- No, I've got a couple of names,
but I don't even know what defines you
as a social media expert,
and neither does the college,
and they don't care.
You know, if someone presents themselves
as a social media expert, that's good enough.
My sense is that if you're a social media expert,
you have a podcast with millions of followers,
and you're doing just fine on your own,
and you actually don't need to work
for an idiot bureaucracy,
but you know, that's just me.
- Right.
- So now, not only do I have to be reeducated
by this social media expert,
but I have to do it at my own expense,
which, you know, is neither here nor there in some sense,
but for an indefinite period of time,
- Wow.
- Until I've learned whatever the hell lesson
I'm supposed to learn,
and I don't exactly know what lesson that is,
by their judgment, right?
And so that's- - So it's all up to them.
So it's kind of this vague thing
that they've put you into,
and they challenged you because they were upset
at things you had said on Twitter?
- Mostly on Twitter. - Online?
- No, well, they also,
and maybe this can happen today.
Somebody submitted the entire transcript
of my last conversation with Joe Rogan as a complaint,
partly because of what I said about climate change.
Now, I am not a fan of climate change models,
which I think are,
to call them flawed is to barely scrape the surface.
- So do you feel like,
but they're, so they're challenging your,
things you've said on social media, right?
So do you think it's a challenge of your free speech?
Is that what you feel like?
- Oh, I, the court that ruled against my appeal
essentially said that it was a free speech issue.
- Okay.
- And they said in their opening argument
that according to the Canadian Charter of Rights,
which was by the way instantiated
by Justin Trudeau's father, Pierre Trudeau,
and Justin's regime is in the process
of absolutely gutting it.
Anyways, I have a right to free speech
according to that charter,
but, and that's the next sentence,
this very low level bureaucratic institution
has the right to abridge that essentially as they see fit,
which means as far as I can tell
that I don't have the right to free speech at all.
And I should make very clear,
those colleges should be intervening
when a client or a patient, right?
Or customer, depending on the regulated profession,
has been mistreated in some manner
by the person they're dealing with.
Okay. The people that levied complaints against me,
first of all, most of them don't live in Canada.
Second of all, none of them were clients of mine.
Third, none of them knew anyone who was a client of mine.
They claimed harm, that I had done harm,
on behalf of other people who they also didn't know.
They also, a number of them also claimed to be clients
of mine in writing in the complaint forms.
But they're not.
No, they're not clients of mine.
And clients of mine, before I became politically known,
let's say, I practiced as a clinician
for more than 20 years and I had zero complaints.
levied against me at the university too,
either at Harvard or at the University of Toronto.
And the reason for that was that I treated my students,
my colleagues, my coworkers, and my clients well,
all the time.
There was zero problems.
But as soon as things exploded around me politically,
well, the people who've weaponized the colleges
have taken that opportunity to go after me.
And then the college, which is nicely infested by radicals,
like almost everything else in the West
and particularly in Canada,
are using this opportunity to attempt
to make my life miserable.
But we'll see whose lives are made miserable.
Wow.
Yeah, do you feel, do you, did you almost,
was there a part of you that kind of was like excited
about the, like-
Not to begin with.
Like, it's not ever entertaining
to face legal proceedings.
That's true.
You have to be a fool, generally speaking,
to think that even if you're the one levying a lawsuit,
you have to be a real fool to think
that it's gonna do anything,
but cause you a lot of grief and misery.
Like lawsuits are not entertaining.
And I have quite a pronounced proclivity to feel guilt.
And I went through the,
like this has been going on a long time,
off and on for about six years, but-
But the ruling just happened, right?
Well, the court ruling that denied my appeal just happened.
Okay, I got it.
Yeah, cause I appealed the right-
So now you have to go through,
you have to go through with the training.
No, the next thing they have to do,
I either have to go through with the training
or they have, they can drag me
in front of a disciplinary board.
And my next move is going to be to say,
hey, bring on the disciplinary board.
They film those.
Wow.
I will put that on YouTube.
So if they wanna make the case that, for example,
my objections to the trans-surgical mutilation of children,
I believe that to be wrong.
Like I believe it's actually a crime against humanity.
The reason I believe that, by the way,
is the UN definition of crime against humanity.
One of them is involuntary sterilization.
My sense is that if you're a medical professional
and you sterilize a child,
that's involuntary sterilization,
because they are not qualified to give qualified consent,
informed consent, as anyone with any sense recognizes.
Yeah. They can't even go on a field trip
without getting a signature, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. Yeah.
Right.
So they can't, yeah.
They can't go on like a-
Yeah, there are hospitals now-
Yeah, genital field trip.
Yeah, well, there are hospitals now,
when they inform the children of what's going to happen,
for example, if they castrate them, for example,
they tell them the girls,
obviously they're not castrating the girls.
They're just doing double mastectomies
and sterilizing the girls.
But they tell them that they might have to have
their eggs stored because this is going to interfere
with their fertilization.
And if they ever want to have children,
well, that'll be what they'll have to do.
It's like, well, you know, every 12 year old is capable.
Yeah, no kidding.
No bloody kidding.
It's scary. It makes me sick thinking about it.
It is absolutely despicable.
I believe that the people who've done this
should be in prison for the rest of their lives.
So do you think that youth speaking up
against things like that are some of the reasons
why they're kind of-
Oh, I think that was the primary reason.
Really?
Well, I tweeted something out about Elliot Page,
Ellen Page.
See, now we're in trouble.
Now we're already in trouble.
Yeah, I said, do you remember when pride was a sin
and when a criminal physician cut off Ellen Page's breasts?
And that got me kicked off Twitter,
but that was also one of the tweets
that was complained about, you know?
And I had friends.
I actually did a whole YouTube video on this.
I had friends who kind of upbraided me
for being a little harsh
and we talked it over on YouTube for about 90 minutes.
And I don't regret it at all.
In fact, I think that in the intervening year
since that tweet or so,
the tides turned very firmly in a direction
that indicates that my suspicions were more than warranted.
Do you think like, so yeah, I think what I'm trying to think more about
is just like the challenge, like about free speech, right?
Like about how it's being challenged everywhere.
It's going to be really strange if those people get you in front of a board.
They're not going to do that.
Oh, I don't think they have a choice, actually.
I think what they'll try to do is make sure I don't publish it.
You know, they'll try to keep it secret, but that ain't going to happen.
You got to have to do pay-per-view.
Yeah, no kidding.
No kidding, absolutely, absolutely.
I know, I know.
I want to be your corner man.
If there's rounds, I want to come in between rounds and just dab your brow.
Well, you were asking me if I was looking forward to it.
And like I said, you have to be a fool to look forward to legal proceedings.
But I went through all 13 of the charges over Christmas last December,
you know, which was not a very pleasant three days
because you never know when you have hundreds of pages of paperwork,
which I had to go through, you never know when you might have done something
stupid
that's going to catch up with you, you know?
And everybody has stupidity in their past.
And so I was pretty damn apprehensive when I went through all the paperwork.
But the more I delved into it, actually, the better I felt
because not only did they make terrible procedural errors,
like going ahead with the complaints of people
who literally claimed falsely in writing to be clients of mine.
And I think six of the complaints are like that.
But it's just so utterly preposterous.
I mean, two of the things they complain about are literally criticisms of Trudeau.
And like, if I can't criticize a standing prime minister in my own country,
there is something seriously wrong.
One of them was his chief of staff.
One of them was the city councilor.
One of them was the trans issue that we discussed.
One of them I criticized Sports Illustrated for presenting a very obese cover
model.
And I said that as far as I was concerned, she wasn't beautiful.
And that no amount of tolerant, of authoritarian compassion was going to
convince me otherwise.
And they say the process is the punishment, right?
And when you're facing, this is what's happened to me in Canada too.
It's like, I'm essentially facing an adversary that has indefinite resources
and time.
Right.
And so-
Right. They just hope to, yeah, they can just smoke you out.
You bet. They can grind me down, you know?
They could make it, they could just keep-
They're not going to though.
Right.
Right. So they're not going to.

Jordan Peterson Discusses His Court-Ordered Social Media Training

- You're on a trial right now, Kyle, you're under.
- Yes, it's essentially a trial.
- You're being brought up on,
you have to take social media.
- Re-education.
- Re-education from your provinces saying this,
is that right?
- It's a professional group,
but they have delegated authority from the provinces.
So there are regulated professions.
- Okay.
- And engineers, lawyers, physicians,
psychologists, social workers, teachers,
there's a few others.
And if you're in a regulated profession,
there's a professional body that governs professional conduct
to which the public has access in case people misbehave.
And so the Ontario College of Psychologists,
it's college as in group,
professional group rather than university.
And it's the Ontario College of Psychologists
that have decided to pursue initially 13 charges against me.
They dropped seven.
Why they dropped those seven is a complete mystery
as is everything else they do.
- You can submit a complaint to the College of Psychologists
online with a form.
And so what's happened, at least in part,
is because that's become so easy,
it's become weaponized by activists.
So for example,
if you wanna cause anybody who's a professional trouble,
all you have to do is submit a complaint to the college.
The college will look into the complaint,
every complaint,
and then decide whether they'll proceed.
Now they're not supposed to proceed
if the complaints are vexatious
or just troublemaking,
but they've decided that me complaining on Twitter
about Trudeau, for example,
is unprofessional and is a disgrace to the profession,
which is essentially what I've been charged with,
is being a disgrace to the profession.
- So it's trying to hold up what they presume
as some esteem of the profession.
- That's the theory and some professional standards.
And you know, I would say for decades
that system actually worked pretty well
because the people who sat on it
weren't ideologically addled,
and the public wasn't using it in a weaponized manner,
but that's changed completely.
And now every professional in Canada,
and I believe that to be true,
is essentially without exception,
unless they're on the far left,
are completely unwilling to ever utter any opinion
about anything in the political
or their professional realm,
especially in relationship to medicine and psychology.
So I appealed this ruling.
So the ruling essentially is that
I have to take social media retraining
with a social media expert,
and I'd like to make it very clear,
there is no such thing as,
there's no profession.
- Yeah, it's like the Wizard of Oz,
like who is it going to be?
Is it, do you know the expert?
- No, I don't.
- That's crazy.
- No, I've got a couple of names,
but I don't even know what defines you
as a social media expert,
and neither does the college,
and they don't care.
You know, if someone presents themselves
as a social media expert, that's good enough.
My sense is that if you're a social media expert,
you have a podcast with millions of followers,
and you're doing just fine on your own,
and you actually don't need to work
for an idiot bureaucracy,
but you know, that's just me.
- Right.
- So now, not only do I have to be reeducated
by this social media expert,
but I have to do it at my own expense,
which, you know, is neither here nor there in some sense,
but for an indefinite period of time,
- Wow.
- Until I've learned whatever the hell lesson
I'm supposed to learn,
and I don't exactly know what lesson that is,
by their judgment, right?
And so that's- - So it's all up to them.
So it's kind of this vague thing
that they've put you into,
and they challenged you because they were upset
at things you had said on Twitter?
- Mostly on Twitter. - Online?
- No, well, they also,
and maybe this can happen today.
Somebody submitted the entire transcript
of my last conversation with Joe Rogan as a complaint,
partly because of what I said about climate change.
Now, I am not a fan of climate change models,
which I think are,
to call them flawed is to barely scrape the surface.
- So do you feel like,
but they're, so they're challenging your,
things you've said on social media, right?
So do you think it's a challenge of your free speech?
Is that what you feel like?
- Oh, I, the court that ruled against my appeal
essentially said that it was a free speech issue.
- Okay.
- And they said in their opening argument
that according to the Canadian Charter of Rights,
which was by the way instantiated
by Justin Trudeau's father, Pierre Trudeau,
and Justin's regime is in the process
of absolutely gutting it.
Anyways, I have a right to free speech
according to that charter,
but, and that's the next sentence,
this very low level bureaucratic institution
has the right to abridge that essentially as they see fit,
which means as far as I can tell
that I don't have the right to free speech at all.
And I should make very clear,
those colleges should be intervening
when a client or a patient, right?
Or customer, depending on the regulated profession,
has been mistreated in some manner
by the person they're dealing with.
Okay. The people that levied complaints against me,
first of all, most of them don't live in Canada.
Second of all, none of them were clients of mine.
Third, none of them knew anyone who was a client of mine.
They claimed harm, that I had done harm,
on behalf of other people who they also didn't know.
They also, a number of them also claimed to be clients
of mine in writing in the complaint forms.
But they're not.
No, they're not clients of mine.
And clients of mine, before I became politically known,
let's say, I practiced as a clinician
for more than 20 years and I had zero complaints.
levied against me at the university too,
either at Harvard or at the University of Toronto.
And the reason for that was that I treated my students,
my colleagues, my coworkers, and my clients well,
all the time.
There was zero problems.
But as soon as things exploded around me politically,
well, the people who've weaponized the colleges
have taken that opportunity to go after me.
And then the college, which is nicely infested by radicals,
like almost everything else in the West
and particularly in Canada,
are using this opportunity to attempt
to make my life miserable.
But we'll see whose lives are made miserable.
Wow.
Yeah, do you feel, do you, did you almost,
was there a part of you that kind of was like excited
about the, like-
Not to begin with.
Like, it's not ever entertaining
to face legal proceedings.
That's true.
You have to be a fool, generally speaking,
to think that even if you're the one levying a lawsuit,
you have to be a real fool to think
that it's gonna do anything,
but cause you a lot of grief and misery.
Like lawsuits are not entertaining.
And I have quite a pronounced proclivity to feel guilt.
And I went through the,
like this has been going on a long time,
off and on for about six years, but-
But the ruling just happened, right?
Well, the court ruling that denied my appeal just happened.
Okay, I got it.
Yeah, cause I appealed the right-
So now you have to go through,
you have to go through with the training.
No, the next thing they have to do,
I either have to go through with the training
or they have, they can drag me
in front of a disciplinary board.
And my next move is going to be to say,
hey, bring on the disciplinary board.
They film those.
Wow.
I will put that on YouTube.
So if they wanna make the case that, for example,
my objections to the trans-surgical mutilation of children,
I believe that to be wrong.
Like I believe it's actually a crime against humanity.
The reason I believe that, by the way,
is the UN definition of crime against humanity.
One of them is involuntary sterilization.
My sense is that if you're a medical professional
and you sterilize a child,
that's involuntary sterilization,
because they are not qualified to give qualified consent,
informed consent, as anyone with any sense recognizes.
Yeah. They can't even go on a field trip
without getting a signature, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. Yeah.
Right.
So they can't, yeah.
They can't go on like a-
Yeah, there are hospitals now-
Yeah, genital field trip.
Yeah, well, there are hospitals now,
when they inform the children of what's going to happen,
for example, if they castrate them, for example,
they tell them the girls,
obviously they're not castrating the girls.
They're just doing double mastectomies
and sterilizing the girls.
But they tell them that they might have to have
their eggs stored because this is going to interfere
with their fertilization.
And if they ever want to have children,
well, that'll be what they'll have to do.
It's like, well, you know, every 12 year old is capable.
Yeah, no kidding.
No bloody kidding.
It's scary. It makes me sick thinking about it.
It is absolutely despicable.
I believe that the people who've done this
should be in prison for the rest of their lives.
So do you think that youth speaking up
against things like that are some of the reasons
why they're kind of-
Oh, I think that was the primary reason.
Really?
Well, I tweeted something out about Elliot Page,
Ellen Page.
See, now we're in trouble.
Now we're already in trouble.
Yeah, I said, do you remember when pride was a sin
and when a criminal physician cut off Ellen Page's breasts?
And that got me kicked off Twitter,
but that was also one of the tweets
that was complained about, you know?
And I had friends.
I actually did a whole YouTube video on this.
I had friends who kind of upbraided me
for being a little harsh
and we talked it over on YouTube for about 90 minutes.
And I don't regret it at all.
In fact, I think that in the intervening year
since that tweet or so,
the tides turned very firmly in a direction
that indicates that my suspicions were more than warranted.
Do you think like, so yeah, I think what I'm trying to think more about
is just like the challenge, like about free speech, right?
Like about how it's being challenged everywhere.
It's going to be really strange if those people get you in front of a board.
They're not going to do that.
Oh, I don't think they have a choice, actually.
I think what they'll try to do is make sure I don't publish it.
You know, they'll try to keep it secret, but that ain't going to happen.
You got to have to do pay-per-view.
Yeah, no kidding.
No kidding, absolutely, absolutely.
I know, I know.
I want to be your corner man.
If there's rounds, I want to come in between rounds and just dab your brow.
Well, you were asking me if I was looking forward to it.
And like I said, you have to be a fool to look forward to legal proceedings.
But I went through all 13 of the charges over Christmas last December,
you know, which was not a very pleasant three days
because you never know when you have hundreds of pages of paperwork,
which I had to go through, you never know when you might have done something
stupid
that's going to catch up with you, you know?
And everybody has stupidity in their past.
And so I was pretty damn apprehensive when I went through all the paperwork.
But the more I delved into it, actually, the better I felt
because not only did they make terrible procedural errors,
like going ahead with the complaints of people
who literally claimed falsely in writing to be clients of mine.
And I think six of the complaints are like that.
But it's just so utterly preposterous.
I mean, two of the things they complain about are literally criticisms of Trudeau.
And like, if I can't criticize a standing prime minister in my own country,
there is something seriously wrong.
One of them was his chief of staff.
One of them was the city councilor.
One of them was the trans issue that we discussed.
One of them I criticized Sports Illustrated for presenting a very obese cover
model.
And I said that as far as I was concerned, she wasn't beautiful.
And that no amount of tolerant, of authoritarian compassion was going to
convince me otherwise.
And they say the process is the punishment, 