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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Crisis Negotiator Walks Through His Most Intense Moments' from Theo Von Clips on Comedy Buff. Published 2025-05-26. Transcript available.

so i'll tell you a situation that i dealt with and i sent a some audio for it
it was um a guy
named michael chevalier this was a big case in vegas so here's what happened so
the call comes
out i'm a sergeant at the time right swing shift um so it's still light outside
the call comes out
that a lady is talking on the phone to her friend and she the friend hears the
struggle and then all
of a sudden the line goes dead she calls 911 and obviously we get dispatch and
sergeants when we
hear certain calls we're like that's something i should roll to we don't have
to but that's a call
i should roll to i happen to be close enough to where the two office so it's
one of those apartment
um communities where it's one floor two floors and then there's top floor and
then there's apartment
all the way down here so the officers i see i pull in the parking lot and i see
my officers walking
to the door then all of a sudden i see the door open and the officers pull out
their gun and fall back
like to try to get away from whatever was going on at the door and i hear them
on the radio 413
subject has a 413 so he the subject came to the door with his arm around the
female and
and the firearm to the female i have my car in the parking lot and then
obviously code red that
means only emergency traffic all the officers come we get to the we get into
the front of my car and i
have a dry race and i'm on the hood of my car pointing out where i want my
officers to go and how
we're going to deal with the situation one of my officers at the times really
sharp guy he says hey sarge i got my
rifle in case he comes out let me go over to this pizzeria right here and i can
engage him if he comes
out with the gun it one great lesson if one of your subordinates has a great
idea be very quick to
listen and learn from them because it was a great idea because the second that
he gets over there
chevalier comes out and starts shooting at us wow we all go down my guy engages
chevalier at the door
and he hit like hits the door frame and all this wood and everything hits chevalier
and chevalier
goes back inside the house i'm like i gotta call in there was no time no negotiators
had not been
around nothing so if i call him he's not going to be shooting he's not going to
hurt anyone so i get in
and i start having a conversation with chevalier and we develop a rapport
interestingly i was able to
record a segment of this conversation i'll play this we'll play the
conversation and then i will tell
you the nuances of the conversation that occurred the aftermath of it and how
deep negotiations can
be hmm okay cool yeah tee that up there trev i like to keep my work and i know
you do and i
remember that you said that when you get back on the phone with me that you and
i can work this out
can we if if it comes up we can come to some type of agreement all right and i'm
a man of my word thank you
i think the agreement they will come to will be uh released to the lawsuit
imperfectly uh she will be
unharmed but um i like what you're talking about i like what you're talking
about and that peaceful
agreement is the route that we got to go in here oh squad team is here
Christopher i want you to tell the squad team to move away from the front of
the door can i just
tell them to move them now what to tell them to move them now can i michael can
i tell you what's
happening okay michael can i tell you something all right listen give me a
second yes michael that's
absolutely listen to me let me just tell you what's going on remember before i
remember before
i explained to you what's going on remember i tell you what michael michael
remember before i explained
to you what was going on i'll tell you what we're going to call i want one it's
my
okay so let me let me give you some background on this okay i still get like
really amped when
just listening to that again because it takes me right back there so michael
and i have been
speaking for a while and situation seemed like it was pretty much calm negotiators
were arriving swat
team had arrived and they were setting up in their position at that point michael
freaked out when he
saw the swat team because you see the swat team in their greens and their
rifles and you know that at
some point if you have a hostage that something's likely going to happen it's
not going to be good for
you ultimately the decision was made to go to condition two condition two is
when my job is to talk michael in
front of a window so they can shoot and kill him so there is this interesting
element to talking to a
person that you are talking into their own demise wow talking to a dead person
essentially
that ended up not happening what happened was through electronic means we were
able to find out that
michael was doing things to the female the decision was made to do an um
explosive breach into the
apartment and then take michael out because michael had been her and now i'm
condensing this because
this is a very long drawn out process got it and he kidnapped the woman yeah he
did he she had her
door up and she was out talking to her friend and he grabbed her and pulled her
inside got it pulled
her inside yeah ladies just out there talking unreal so my so ultimately after
swat goes in and kills him
she's laying right there if you talk about ptsd or what a person has to go
through it's absolutely
horrific but let me talk about the nuance of language if you watched what michael
was saying mind you
the team is listening and watching every single word that a person says there's
one very very
interesting part of his conversation where he says the hostage now again we
would always want to change
that to back to saying the person's name but i didn't get a chance to do that
and i did at other
points in it but what he says is she were relieved and perfectly and he stops
at perfectly and she will be
relieved released unharmed so why did he stop it perfectly he stopped that
perfectly because he knew that
he was doing things that she was not perfect our minds and our language are so
intimately connected
and when you get to understand see where he says release of the hostage
he says play that again that part just back it up a second or two
uh release of the hostage imperfectly uh she will be unharmed but you see he
stopped and he flipped it
because he knew that she wasn't perfect he knew he was doing horrific things
and we listen to these
types of things because we have to make a decision how long do we wait before
we go inside does it wear
down your compassion or does it build it over time do you think oh that's such
a good question
for me in the in the immediate you you kind of build up this um this thick skin
where you don't
like for me showing emotion is still a challenge for me in life i get emotional
and you sometimes
we'll see that there'll be tears that can well up in my eye but i don't want to
let them fall down
oh yeah so it's it's tough but to answer your question i think that in the
while you're doing it
thick skin as you get older you become more like that you know i really feel
what you're going through
you know i wish that i could and i don't like to say i wish there's a way that
i could help you
my goal is to figure out how i can do that my one of my lieutenants i think i
you guys have the
audio on this one of my lieutenants um four or five and uh there's audio of it
um this is horrific
horrific story las vegas cop shot wife and five-year-old son before taking his
own before unaliving
himself okay yes he uh so this guy was my my lieutenant and uh you can play the
audio if you
want and he's kind of he tells everything right here i'll give you a little
background afterwards okay
911 what's the address of your emergency hi and what's the problem tell me
exactly what happened
my name is hans walters uh i work for las vegas metropolitan police department
uh i just shot and killed my son max and my wife michelle and i killed her
because
she's in such chronic pain from her neck and back and on more medicines and she's
not going to survive
and we were both seeing uh therapists and psychologists in boulder city his
name is
and uh i feel terrible for doing it
okay okay and voice out please don't please don't interrupt me please okay i've
also set the house
on fire and if the fire department comes to my house because there's a fire hydrant
right in front
of my house uh i'm going to open fire on them so i have to wait till the house
is burning and then i'm
going to shoot myself okay so okay i don't i don't ask me any questions this is
this is real this isn't
a joke the fire alarms in the background is because i set the garage in the
bedroom on fire my wife's in
the bedroom i shot her in the head my son unfortunately is in one of the room
watching oswald and i shot him in the head too
and uh oh forgive me for my sins please don't call back thank you oh my god so
uh hans was uh my lieutenant
and uh really for a period of time yeah it reminds him for a period of time and
uh he was one of the
most soft-spoken polite every time he would talk to you he would say please and
thank you
a total family man not wasn't a go out after work drinker type guy everything
in the time that i knew
him was about his wife and his son max i remember there was a time that's him
right there and that's
his wife she was a cop at one time and i remember there was someone when he was
my lieutenant he would
go take time off to go take care of her and he would put me as to to to take
care of the lieutenant
paperwork and he was always just very pleased and thank you and he was just he
just i mean it's so
weird for me to be able to say that one of the most kind soft-spoken people to
me and to the other
people that he interacted with which was so wild so his wife had some
significant medical challenges
and when i was younger as i said before i didn't understand how suffering from
pain can be so
debilitating for a person now this is what's really interesting in this
situation hans walked outside
after he shot his wife and his son and he didn't get shot the police didn't
shoot him and i believe
that he wanted it to be a side by cop and that's the only reason i can you know
muster as to why he
would walk outside but they didn't shoot him and he went inside and then he he
405'd what's interesting
is i told you as i listened to the conversation i listened to the language what
he says is he says please
forgive me what would a person normally say would you just say please forgive
me or would you say god
forgive me but in my mind i feel like potentially why you theo you're a negotiator
now why did he not
use the word god um because he'd done some things that were bad that what god
wouldn't forgive there you
go brother see you get this stuff man you really get this stuff and that's why
that word did not come
out of his mouth what a horrific situation but let me tell you something man
there are some people
under those circumstances who don't want anyone else to raise their kid
can i speak to why he did that i don't know but i can tell you that i do have
experience with a
person who's just something like that and i sent you and there's no audio of
this but i did send a
a file of this case well timothy blackburn i was a negotiator on the team at
this time and my team
got the call out for blackburn i did not negotiate on an fbi agent who who was
connected with blackburn
negotiated quick story what blackburn did blackburn committed a robbery of a
vault in vegas a million
plus dollars a million plus dollars he got away with but he got caught so blackburn
that's blackburn right
there oh he's asian yeah blackburn got caught yeah blackburn what do you think
what do you think he
was blackburn yeah probably white or black yeah well he so he got so he got
caught he's in the north
las vegas one of the north las vegas detention whatever because it was a
federal crime and um his
wife breaks him out of the jail he escapes she put a a screwdriver in her hair
they unleaded he he escapes
dude i love them there's a manhunt for them okay it was like the one of the
biggest manhunts in vegas and
they kept telling us that we're gonna get we're gonna catch him at some point
catch him there's a
a reward they find him barricaded in one of those daily suite hotels okay this
story's trippy
he doesn't want to talk to anyone on our the my negotiation team he wants to
talk to the fbi
agent who arrested him this fbi agent had said when blackburn said am i looking
at much time he said
your probation officer hasn't been born yet
and um so so blackburn is in there and they're talking you know the the the fbi
agent can you
know hear the kids in the background and blackburn it's like it was with his
family you know he was
he was a family guy so swat is set up on the house and they're figuring out you
know whether or when to
breach you know time is on our side but here's what happens a cop i know is on
the outer perimeter
patrol officer he's got his shotgun he's moved from one position to the other
slinging his shotgun
his shotgun goes off blackburn thinks that swat is making an entry they were it
was just the guy had
an accident negligent discharge blackburn then summarily shoots his wife kid
and himself swat goes in just
as he's doing that and shoot blackburn as he's falling to the ground and even
in the testimony because
that the swat officer says you know i shot a dead man because he killed him
because blackburn was saying
stuff like i don't want to visit my kid through a plexiglass and he was of the
mindset that no one else is
going to raise my kid or be with my woman and knowing that there are people
like that and that
is a very i have to walk very carefully when i say these things because this is
very sensitive
information i'm only speaking from my perspective and the information that i
have in hopes that it
could help someone else in the future that if you find yourself in a situation
god forbid where there's a
degree of you feel like you can't go on without a person you can and everyone
has a sanctity life
and should be able to go on what's that moment when you're negotiating right
and you were so or do you
have a weapon on the person you don't have a weapon on you're kind of you know
so so negotiation happens
in a lot of different ways that's not that's atypical way because it's from the
negotiation team
they set up a command center the whole nine yards you're very far back i mean
sometimes you don't get
on the phone for maybe an hour you could be two hours later that situation was
a very critical
situation where they needed someone who had training on the scene so what's
kind of fun that i've been
able to deal with those kinds and also the kind where you're in the tactical
operation center so you
know another one of those kind of um dynamic situations was the guy who was
inside had a gun his
neighbor called and i was negotiating um and it's called a face-to-face but it's
really we weren't really
face-to-face because we don't do face-to-face it's like it's incredibly
dangerous but i was actually in
patrol at the time and i was the first to arrive and i ended up getting a
rapport with this guy and
i talked to him and talked to him and we i developed you know i want to say
liking the guy you know and
understanding what he was going through he's going through and you know usually
like three things you
know it's a health issue loneliness you know family loss and a financial issue
or a medical issue it's
any one of various things and he was going through like maybe all of those
things and and i remember
talking to him and i'm like and he says you know what we got to a point where
he said you know i'm
going to come out but i want to come out and i want i want to talk to you will
you welcome me to the
ambulance because i told him he was going to go to the ambulance and get
transported and i did that
and i stayed with him at the ambulance the ambulance people come out to me and
they say
hey officer you you might want to come see this
i go inside inside of his drawer stacks of kitty porn stacks of it
dang now mind you i would talk this guy out of 405-ing right you're talking
from out of one
alive in himself and then now you're like look what i've done you know it's
really is that the thing
that's like i kept this person alive it's like you have this really kind of
dual like this sure
it's really like if i had my choice if i was able to walk up on somebody and
over the wild west i
would probably you know what you you it's a very difficult difficult situation
to be in and you
know when you talk to a person for extended periods of time it's called stockholm
and you
have you ever heard of stockholm syndrome stockholm syndrome let's bring it up
let me read the
definition of it because i always hear it and i even say it and i thought of it
originally was
people from norway that got lost or whatever i think but let me think it was a
banker
stockholm syndrome is what'd you say it's a bank robbery thing oh it's a bank
robbery thing
stockholm syndrome is a psychological response where a hostage or victim
develops positive feelings or
emotional attachment to their captor or abuser often as a coping mechanism
during prolonged
captivity or abusive situations so it's kind of like marriage or whatever but
it's like very severe
Thank you.

Crisis Negotiator Walks Through His Most Intense Moments

so i'll tell you a situation that i dealt with and i sent a some audio for it
it was um a guy
named michael chevalier this was a big case in vegas so here's what happened so
the call comes
out i'm a sergeant at the time right swing shift um so it's still light outside
the call comes out
that a lady is talking on the phone to her friend and she the friend hears the
struggle and then all
of a sudden the line goes dead she calls 911 and obviously we get dispatch and
sergeants when we
hear certain calls we're like that's something i should roll to we don't have
to but that's a call
i should roll to i happen to be close enough to where the two office so it's
one of those apartment
um communities where it's one floor two floors and then there's top floor and
then there's apartment
all the way down here so the officers i see i pull in the parking lot and i see
my officers walking
to the door then all of a sudden i see the door open and the officers pull out
their gun and fall back
like to try to get away from whatever was going on at the door and i hear them
on the radio 413
subject has a 413 so he the subject came to the door with his arm around the
female and
and the firearm to the female i have my car in the parking lot and then
obviously code red that
means only emergency traffic all the officers come we get to the we get into
the front of my car and i
have a dry race and i'm on the hood of my car pointing out where i want my
officers to go and how
we're going to deal with the situation one of my officers at the times really
sharp guy he says hey sarge i got my
rifle in case he comes out let me go over to this pizzeria right here and i can
engage him if he comes
out with the gun it one great lesson if one of your subordinates has a great
idea be very quick to
listen and learn from them because it was a great idea because the second that
he gets over there
chevalier comes out and starts shooting at us wow we all go down my guy engages
chevalier at the door
and he hit like hits the door frame and all this wood and everything hits chevalier
and chevalier
goes back inside the house i'm like i gotta call in there was no time no negotiators
had not been
around nothing so if i call him he's not going to be shooting he's not going to
hurt anyone so i get in
and i start having a conversation with chevalier and we develop a rapport
interestingly i was able to
record a segment of this conversation i'll play this we'll play the
conversation and then i will tell
you the nuances of the conversation that occurred the aftermath of it and how
deep negotiations can
be hmm okay cool yeah tee that up there trev i like to keep my work and i know
you do and i
remember that you said that when you get back on the phone with me that you and
i can work this out
can we if if it comes up we can come to some type of agreement all right and i'm
a man of my word thank you
i think the agreement they will come to will be uh released to the lawsuit
imperfectly uh she will be
unharmed but um i like what you're talking about i like what you're talking
about and that peaceful
agreement is the route that we got to go in here oh squad team is here
Christopher i want you to tell the squad team to move away from the front of
the door can i just
tell them to move them now what to tell them to move them now can i michael can
i tell you what's
happening okay michael can i tell you something all right listen give me a
second yes michael that's
absolutely listen to me let me just tell you what's going on remember before i
remember before
i explained to you what's going on remember i tell you what michael michael
remember before i explained
to you what was going on i'll tell you what we're going to call i want one it's
my
okay so let me let me give you some background on this okay i still get like
really amped when
just listening to that again because it takes me right back there so michael
and i have been
speaking for a while and situation seemed like it was pretty much calm negotiators
were arriving swat
team had arrived and they were setting up in their position at that point michael
freaked out when he
saw the swat team because you see the swat team in their greens and their
rifles and you know that at
some point if you have a hostage that something's likely going to happen it's
not going to be good for
you ultimately the decision was made to go to condition two condition two is
when my job is to talk michael in
front of a window so they can shoot and kill him so there is this interesting
element to talking to a
person that you are talking into their own demise wow talking to a dead person
essentially
that ended up not happening what happened was through electronic means we were
able to find out that
michael was doing things to the female the decision was made to do an um
explosive breach into the
apartment and then take michael out because michael had been her and now i'm
condensing this because
this is a very long drawn out process got it and he kidnapped the woman yeah he
did he she had her
door up and she was out talking to her friend and he grabbed her and pulled her
inside got it pulled
her inside yeah ladies just out there talking unreal so my so ultimately after
swat goes in and kills him
she's laying right there if you talk about ptsd or what a person has to go
through it's absolutely
horrific but let me talk about the nuance of language if you watched what michael
was saying mind you
the team is listening and watching every single word that a person says there's
one very very
interesting part of his conversation where he says the hostage now again we
would always want to change
that to back to saying the person's name but i didn't get a chance to do that
and i did at other
points in it but what he says is she were relieved and perfectly and he stops
at perfectly and she will be
relieved released unharmed so why did he stop it perfectly he stopped that
perfectly because he knew that
he was doing things that she was not perfect our minds and our language are so
intimately connected
and when you get to understand see where he says release of the hostage
he says play that again that part just back it up a second or two
uh release of the hostage imperfectly uh she will be unharmed but you see he
stopped and he flipped it
because he knew that she wasn't perfect he knew he was doing horrific things
and we listen to these
types of things because we have to make a decision how long do we wait before
we go inside does it wear
down your compassion or does it build it over time do you think oh that's such
a good question
for me in the in the immediate you you kind of build up this um this thick skin
where you don't
like for me showing emotion is still a challenge for me in life i get emotional
and you sometimes
we'll see that there'll be tears that can well up in my eye but i don't want to
let them fall down
oh yeah so it's it's tough but to answer your question i think that in the
while you're doing it
thick skin as you get older you become more like that you know i really feel
what you're going through
you know i wish that i could and i don't like to say i wish there's a way that
i could help you
my goal is to figure out how i can do that my one of my lieutenants i think i
you guys have the
audio on this one of my lieutenants um four or five and uh there's audio of it
um this is horrific
horrific story las vegas cop shot wife and five-year-old son before taking his
own before unaliving
himself okay yes he uh so this guy was my my lieutenant and uh you can play the
audio if you
want and he's kind of he tells everything right here i'll give you a little
background afterwards okay
911 what's the address of your emergency hi and what's the problem tell me
exactly what happened
my name is hans walters uh i work for las vegas metropolitan police department
uh i just shot and killed my son max and my wife michelle and i killed her
because
she's in such chronic pain from her neck and back and on more medicines and she's
not going to survive
and we were both seeing uh therapists and psychologists in boulder city his
name is
and uh i feel terrible for doing it
okay okay and voice out please don't please don't interrupt me please okay i've
also set the house
on fire and if the fire department comes to my house because there's a fire hydrant
right in front
of my house uh i'm going to open fire on them so i have to wait till the house
is burning and then i'm
going to shoot myself okay so okay i don't i don't ask me any questions this is
this is real this isn't
a joke the fire alarms in the background is because i set the garage in the
bedroom on fire my wife's in
the bedroom i shot her in the head my son unfortunately is in one of the room
watching oswald and i shot him in the head too
and uh oh forgive me for my sins please don't call back thank you oh my god so
uh hans was uh my lieutenant
and uh really for a period of time yeah it reminds him for a period of time and
uh he was one of the
most soft-spoken polite every time he would talk to you he would say please and
thank you
a total family man not wasn't a go out after work drinker type guy everything
in the time that i knew
him was about his wife and his son max i remember there was a time that's him
right there and that's
his wife she was a cop at one time and i remember there was someone when he was
my lieutenant he would
go take time off to go take care of her and he would put me as to to to take
care of the lieutenant
paperwork and he was always just very pleased and thank you and he was just he
just i mean it's so
weird for me to be able to say that one of the most kind soft-spoken people to
me and to the other
people that he interacted with which was so wild so his wife had some
significant medical challenges
and when i was younger as i said before i didn't understand how suffering from
pain can be so
debilitating for a person now this is what's really interesting in this
situation hans walked outside
after he shot his wife and his son and he didn't get shot the police didn't
shoot him and i believe
that he wanted it to be a side by cop and that's the only reason i can you know
muster as to why he
would walk outside but they didn't shoot him and he went inside and then he he
405'd what's interesting
is i told you as i listened to the conversation i listened to the language what
he says is he says please
forgive me what would a person normally say would you just say please forgive
me or would you say god
forgive me but in my mind i feel like potentially why you theo you're a negotiator
now why did he not
use the word god um because he'd done some things that were bad that what god
wouldn't forgive there you
go brother see you get this stuff man you really get this stuff and that's why
that word did not come
out of his mouth what a horrific situation but let me tell you something man
there are some people
under those circumstances who don't want anyone else to raise their kid
can i speak to why he did that i don't know but i can tell you that i do have
experience with a
person who's just something like that and i sent you and there's no audio of
this but i did send a
a file of this case well timothy blackburn i was a negotiator on the team at
this time and my team
got the call out for blackburn i did not negotiate on an fbi agent who who was
connected with blackburn
negotiated quick story what blackburn did blackburn committed a robbery of a
vault in vegas a million
plus dollars a million plus dollars he got away with but he got caught so blackburn
that's blackburn right
there oh he's asian yeah blackburn got caught yeah blackburn what do you think
what do you think he
was blackburn yeah probably white or black yeah well he so he got so he got
caught he's in the north
las vegas one of the north las vegas detention whatever because it was a
federal crime and um his
wife breaks him out of the jail he escapes she put a a screwdriver in her hair
they unleaded he he escapes