Name: Theo and Jim Norton Talk About Overcoming Shame
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Theo and Jim Norton Talk About Overcoming Shame' from Theo Von Clips on Comedy Buff. Published 2025-09-09. Transcript available.

Theo and Jim Norton Talk About Overcoming Shame

Do you think we're getting more, I don't want to say depraved, but it's more in
one view, it'd be depraved if you looked at like these evangelical type of
views or like, you know, like people that came over on the Mayflower, like
sexually, they'd see us probably as more depraved.
But do you feel like we're just evolving or just adjusting into different, more
sexual norms?
Yeah, I think so.
And it's also like the depravity.
Like, I don't believe people's, like, I don't believe the people, some of them,
sure.
But the majority of the ones who are scolding and going, oh, it's terror, how
could you do that?
And then you realize that in D.C., these prostitutes are going, do you know how
many of these senators I fuck or how many of these congressmen I fuck?
Like, so I don't buy any of it.
Like, there are people who live that way.
But as far as, again, a moral lecture or a sexual acceptability lecture from
some, I just, I don't believe any of them and I don't respect any of their
opinions.
But, yeah, I think we are more open than we used to be, sure.
I mean, what's considered the norm now is different.
I mean, back in the Mayflower days, if you were fucking gay, they'd probably
hit you with a rod.
I don't know what they would do, but it wasn't good.
They weren't happy to see you.
But I bet they had, I bet there was low-key a lot of support for gay men on
those boats because you're on the ship for a long time.
In high stockings.
I mean, come on, are you going to tell me Miles Standish didn't get his asshole
played with?
I hope that was his name.
It had to have been, dude.
But, yeah, you're telling me you're out there drinking.
How many women were on the Mayflower?
Let's take a Gantt because that's going to help.
I'm going to guess very few or none.
Or none.
I think that's a great point.
How many women were on the Mayflower?
Probably none of them.
Probably all men.
The number of women, most sources agree that 18 adult women began the Mayflower
journey.
Only four or five women were still alive by the spring of 1621.
Oh, my God.
I guess there was a long line outside each door.
Yeah.
Can you imagine that, though?
Yeah.
Hiding.
Pregnancy.
Three of the women, Elizabeth Hopkins, Susanna White, and Mary Allerton, were
pregnant during the voyage.
And the crazy part is there's no way to prove whose baby it was back then until
it's born and you look at it and go, oh, yeah, it's your baby.
Because there was no DNA testing.
And there was no, so 10 guys fuck you and one of them get you pregnant.
Oh.
Oh, well.
God, can you imagine, though?
Guys would just be trying to get you drunk so that they could then go approach
your wife.
Or they would just be trying to get somebody else, like some other guys, get
them and another man so drunk that they could just pretend that they weren't
gay for a little while.
For a little while.
Yeah, oh, and have sex with the woman, yeah.
Or no, jerk off the man or have sex with the man, but just be like, oh, Susanna,
just keep saying a woman's name during it or something.
Oh, and pretend, like, by that point you hope that you wouldn't, like, because
if you're fucking a guy, he's got to know that you're enjoying it.
And vice versa, you hope that you wouldn't have to be thinking about a woman
just to convince yourself.
But you might have to be like, what's going on here?
You know, like, there's some, I'm sure, like, astute white males or whatever
who are, like, you know, in some of these, you know, who are probably getting
money from APAC or whatever, who are definitely, you know, who are, like,
banging a guy and be like, what's happening here?
This is, you know, like a tremors from an earth, like, man, the windows or
something, you know?
Yeah, what's going on here?
Yeah, yeah, no, I understand.
What's going on?
I'm going to come in this guy.
Oh, my God.
How did this happen?
I must have fallen.
Veto.
Yeah, but yes, in a way, you're right, because I remember, it's fun.
When I was a kid, when I first started jerking him off, you know, I would
always try to think of girls, but sometimes I would think of boys.
And if I thought of a boy, I was so filled with shame that when I came, I would
throw a woman in there.
Like, I would, like, press the button, and the last slide would be a girl's
face.
Like, oh, I just drank, you know?
It was just, it was such self-delusion.
Like, right.
But yeah, in that way, you're right.
It's all about shame and how to stave off the shame you feel about whatever it
is.
Yeah, and our society does adjust so much of that.
And, but it is interesting, like, you know, I go to recovery meetings.
I'm in SLA recovery and stuff like that.
And so, and it's interesting, because a lot of it's intimacy disorders, porn
addiction.
Like, there's so many things, like, you know, a lot of my, I'd be like, call me
or stay away.
Like, that was a, like, I would want something, like, a woman to be close to me,
but then when they got close to me, I didn't want them to, you know, just like
a lot of, like, just, just anarchy.
It's being addicted to the, it's being addicted to the, the lead up to
something happening.
And then when it's happening, you're right, you're like, get away.
Okay, now, because the lead up was the high, the lead up of the thing.
And now that you're here, okay, now it's time for the next drug run, so to
speak.
Yeah, I definitely get that.
Yeah, maybe that's what it was sometimes.
For me, it was.
Like, I would literally look at hookers all night.
I would ride around for hours listening to Art Bell on, uh.
On NPR?
Uh, no, he was on, uh, 770 or 660 overnight.
Was it Russell Limbaugh?
No, no, Art Bell was a guy, he was, like, in Pahrumpf, Nevada, and he was, like,
very big into, like, UFOs.
Oh, yeah, that's that guy?
He was the best.
Oh, and he passed away?
He did die, but I would ride around the meatpacking district and look at prostitutes
for hours.
I would do the comedy cellar and then ride around, but the ritual for me was
looking and talking, and most times I wouldn't pick up.
I would just ride around and look and be in that space.
So, a lot of times, it's the whole idea of doing something even more than doing
it.
Like, sometimes you do it, but other times it's just the idea of it.
Oh, dude, yeah.
Would there be certain things, like, during the interview process, like, when
you'd chat with them, would you just kind of say, and you'd, every now and then
you'd just hear a certain thing, and you'd be like, oh, I'll spend more time
with this person?
Oh, well, when I would talk to them?
Yeah.
You know, if I was attracted to them, sure, but if I thought they might be a
cop, I was so ritualistic, like, they would have to approach the left side of
my window.
Like, there was weird ritualistic things that had to be clicked, like any
addiction, right?
There's this weird, this box is checked, that box is checked, and then I can
proceed.
But if it didn't happen, one box wasn't checked, it would wreck the whole
experience.
But yeah, that whole, that's addiction is so crazy.
Sex is hard, like porn, I still struggle with porn.
I have a hard time, I go into it, I come out of it, it's hard.
I know, I just hate the way that I feel after I notice, finally, I hate the way
I feel the next day after watching, and I just feel a little bit, like,
dissolved.
I feel like a, like a, like the day before, I was kind of a bit of a Rubik's
Cube, and all the color that were matching on the sides and everything.
And then the next day, I just feel kind of broken, and it takes a day for me to
get my energy back organized, kind of.
That's a good way to put it, dissolved.
That's a, that's a really good way to put it.
Like, you feel, like, kind of like, it's a, it's a collapsed feeling, like, and
dissolved is the perfect way.
You don't feel strong and, and, and whole, you know.
And it's not a moral thing, it's just, it's all that weird chemicals from, like,
your own drug administrator.
Yeah.
Like, you know what I mean?
I'm sitting there, it's not attractive, it's just me twiddling my nip, fucking
chimp.
And, oh, if you had to watch a video of yourself jerking off over all the years,
you'd be like, somebody shut this guy down.
Somebody put this kid out of his misery.
Yeah, what is he doing?
This is long and unpleasant.
It'd be like the director's cut of Apocalypse Now.
We're like, I get why they took that stuff out.
We didn't need the fucking dinner with the French people.
Sucked.
Yeah, if I had, if you had to watch yourself jerking off, especially if you
could add up all the time.
Yeah.
The amount of hours or weeks or months, whatever it comes to.
You'd quit immediately, I bet.
You'd quit immediately.
And it is wasted time.
Oh, yeah.
It really is.
Oh, the waste.
And, but I would do the same thing, like, if I would look at, like, I would get
high on cocaine, I would look at hookers online.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And I would, like, just be looking, I would look at the photos, and I would be
like, ah, you know.
And then I would barter.
I was, like, just poor, and I would barter.
And then you're, and then, but then when someone would come over, I would often
take the money, put it out of the door, give it to them, and have them go home.
I was too nervous to have somebody, like, in my presence.
One time a lady came over, and she had, she said that she had to get a brain
tumor taken out or something, and I was like, whoa.
You know, and I just sat with her for a little while and talked about, talked
about some stuff, and then just, she just went home.
Yeah, sometimes when you, you also realize, like, they're real people, and then
you realize, like, why am I doing this?
Like, I used to love talking to women after.
Like, I used to love the conversation afterwards.
Like, after sex or whatever, we would just sit and chat, or if I would drop
them off, we would talk.
And I realized, it was just, it's a lot of loneliness.
Like, you're just lonely, and you don't know how else to meet somebody.
I didn't know how to go out and talk to people, so that was a way of meeting
people.
That shit I don't miss.
Like, being married, the one thing I like, like, I can just call my wife and
talk to her.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, we actually, it's a nice, stable thing to have in your life.
Like, a person who you really like.
And loving somebody, yeah, yeah, but I mean, you have to like them, too.
It's not enough to love somebody.
Like, you have to like talking to them.
Yeah, and you have to enjoy, and we have our dumb dog, and I'll just be on FaceTime
with her and the dog, and I'm like, this is the life I want.
The dog shits all over.
It makes me furious, but it's still a nice life.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Compared to what was going on before, which was very lonely and isolated.
Yeah, it does.
It's just interesting.
You get kind of like trapped in patterns over time, and when you're a comedian,
it feels like you don't ever have to grow.
Or I don't know if it's a comedian.
I don't know.
I've struggled at certain points in my life to grow up, you know?
I didn't realize for years that I hadn't been growing up, really.
I was kind of trapped, I think, in like a child's ways a lot of times.
But they were working out okay because we're in comedy, and it's like, you don't
have a ton of responsibility.
It's all on you.
You have to show up.
You know, it's like, you know, it felt almost like a kid could do it.
But also, there's something about that that is good, too.
Like, because our impression of somebody growing up and getting older was like,
you know, you go up, you retire, you get the gold watch, and then you go into a
home, and you're finished.
Like, there was a process, and there was a definitive end at the end of the
tunnel.
But when you always feel like, I don't have to grow up and follow that pattern,
you always feel like, I don't know what's ahead of me.
Like, you don't see the end.
Wait, say that part again.
I want to hear it.
You don't feel like you can always see the end.
You don't know what's ahead because y