Name: Joe Rogan Experience #650 - Nick Curson
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #650 - Nick Curson' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2015-05-21. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #650 - Nick Curson

We're good? We're live. Is that echo thing going on anymore? We killed that. We're
good. Nick, how are you, buddy?
Pretty good. What's going on? Thanks for coming on. So you got this hat on.
Nick Kurson, am I saying the last name correctly?
Kurson. Kurson, yeah, like Kurson have. You train Rafael dos Anjos, Ruslan Provodnikov,
and you've got his hat on, Ruslan's hat on.
And it says, what does it say again? It says, Ratsy Borat. And in Russian, I
believe that translates to something like young warrior or young fighter or
something like that.
That's funny because I ran into a couple of Russians the other day and asked
them if they knew what it meant.
And they didn't even know. They just knew the last part was fighter, and they
didn't know what the first part meant, so I don't know.
That guy is a character. Provodnikov is one of my favorite fighters to watch
because he can't be in a boring fight. He doesn't have it in him.
I mean, that guy fights like the most exciting style of fighting in boxing
today. He just comes at you. You know, he's just an animal.
Unfortunately, he takes a little too much punishment, though.
Yeah. Well, he's almost too brave. Yeah. You know, almost too brave and too
tough. But fucking that fight with Matisse, oh my God.
That was insanity.
Oh my God. That was what everybody was hoping Floyd Mayweather would be. Mayweather
Pacquiao. That's what everybody was hoping it would be.
I was like, you know, you guys are out of your mind. You don't know what you're
about to watch. You guys are spending millions of dollars. It's going to be
like the biggest gate ever.
And what you're going to watch is a Floyd Mayweather exhibition on movement and
jabbing and, you know, straight rights, lead right hands, clinch, get out of
the way.
I mean, that's what you're going to say. And that's, that's exactly what it was.
But Provodnikov, God.
How do you think the guys feel that, uh, tuned into the Chavez Jr. fight that
night and missed the Matisse-Provodnikov fight?
They were silly.
How do you think they feel right now?
I watched both. I mean, that's the beautiful thing about DVRs.
Right.
Chavez Jr. looks like he's phoning it in.
Yeah.
He just does not look like the same guy.
Yeah.
Like, when he was younger and much more exciting and just looked, looked like a
real promising future champion.
He just doesn't, doesn't have the volume anymore. It doesn't look like he's in
shape.
Fighting much heavier. Right?
Yeah.
That Matisse and Provodnikov fight with something else.
So you're a strength and conditioning coach.
Right.
And, uh, one of the reasons why I wanted to call you in here is because I am
absolutely fascinated by the Marinoviches.
Right.
The guys who, uh, taught you a lot of, uh, what you know.
Right.
And, um, I'm also fascinated by just the boundaries of human potential when it
comes to strength and conditioning.
Because as, as an analyst, as a guy who sits there and watches fights, and I've
seen, I don't even know how many fights,
but I've probably professionally called several thousand fights at this point.
I don't even know how many it's been, really.
It's been at least 1,500 or something of the best fights ever.
Right.
Right?
And you start seeing things over and over and over again.
And occasionally there's these outliers.
And these outliers are guys who just have way more gas than anybody else.
Guys who have way more ability to push deep into the fourth and fifth rounds.
And you just, you wonder, like, how much of what we're seeing in terms of what
a fighter can do inside the octagon or inside the ring,
how much of it is how much endurance they have.
And I maintain that it's a significant amount.
Absolutely.
I think it's, I think it's, I think it's everything.
It might be 90% of it or something.
At least.
Because it seems like everybody is pretty skillful once they get to the upper
levels of the UFC.
When you're dealing with a Pettis or a Dos Anjos or, you know, all across the
board.
When you hit those high-level guys, they're all very skillful.
Some are better at certain aspects of fighting than others.
But it seems like the ones who can win and win the way Pettis and Dos Anjos
went down,
the way Dos Anjos just dominated Pettis.
Right.
You have to have a fucking insane gas tank.
Absolutely.
I don't know if you've seen my Instagram and seen some of the videos.
I did.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, I'm fascinated by it.
So, yeah, Rafael, when he first came to me, this was after the Cerrone fight.
He'd tried several other strength and conditioning coaches.
After he came to me, about two or three workouts in, he's like,
wow, this is already amazing.
I feel the difference.
And that's when I began to assess, like, like, a long-term plan.
So, like, when I first get a new athlete, I don't just look at the immediate
fight.
I look where I want him to be about a year from now, you know,
six months from now and three or four fights from now, whatever.
But I kind of knew, like, some things that were holding him back
and areas that weren't trained properly that we needed to rectify.
What do you see when you start working out with a guy?
Like, how do you analyze it?
First of all, you know what I'd like to do?
Like, this is something that the Marinovichs did with BJ Penn was
first thing they did was they got a heart rate monitor on him.
So, and then they put him through sparring to find out what areas taxed him the
most.
And then that's what they would kind of design the camp towards.
So, you know, if wrestling taxes you the most,
then that's the energy system we need to train the most for you.
So, you know, like with BJ, he never had any problem with his long-term aerobic.
It was always his anaerobic energy systems.
So it was always sprinting.
Yeah, exactly.
It was always the big bursts.
Yeah, short bursts and long bursts.
Exactly, the entire amount.
So the issue is the recovery from short bursts?
Absolutely.
And, yeah, exactly.
So if your anaerobic systems aren't trained properly,
you won't get that recovery in between the bursts.
And some guys will go their entire career without ever correcting that.
And you're always going to be in this weird limbo state
where you're scared to push it too hard.
Right, exactly.
Now, you take a guy like Rafael Dos Anjos that had beaten Donald Cerrone.
So when he came to you, he was already world class,
one of the best fighters in the division.
I think he was ranked 10th when I started with him.
So he's a good fighter.
And that time we began training for the Rustam.
He was scheduled to fight Rustam Kabilov.
Exactly.
And we did pretty much a full training camp.
We did six weeks of training.
And then Kabilov pulled out, I think,
two weeks prior to the fight with a hurt finger or something.
And so then we had a break for about three weeks in between.
And then he got the news that he's going to fight Kabilov.
So he did another full training camp.
And prior to the Kabilov fight,
I actually left four weeks before the fight.
So we stopped strength and conditioning four weeks.
So he missed the complete peak training phase of the conditioning program.
Do you think that's one of the reasons why he lost that fight?
Partially, yeah.
I feel a little bit of a responsibility for that, sure.
Also, you have to admit, Kabilov Nurmagomedov is a fucking monster.
He is.
He's a monster.
He's a good fighter.
I think, and I hate to make excuses,
but I think if people understood what Raphael went through before that fight,
they would be a little more accepting of the fact that he might kick Khabib's
ass
the next time they fight.
A lot of people are already saying Khabib's the new champion.
Raphael almost had his freaking eye gouged out.
The whites of his eyes, like this was during the training camp, so he had to
take another couple weeks off in the middle of the training camp.
The whites of his eyes were literally hanging down from a guy's fingernails
where he, they were sparring.
The guy poked his fingernails into his eyes.
And the whites of the eyes were, strips of it were hanging down below his
eyelid.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
And then...
So what'd they do to fix that?
I guess they just trimmed it off and just let it...
Yeah, yeah.
I just trimmed it off and then let it...
What?
Yeah.
Wait a minute.
You could trim the whites of your eyelid?
Apparently, yeah.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Raphael's a monster, like, people don't understand.
Is it because the guy had fingernails?
Yeah, fingernails, exactly.
And there's sparring and he went to push him back or something and two fingers
went right into his eye.
Jesus Christ.
So, you know, obviously he's not going to put that out there on the internet
and show people, hey, look at my fucked up eye.
He should.
That'd be wild to look at.
Well, now, have you seen his ear?
I don't know if you saw the picture of his ear.
Is this recent?
No, this is the same thing leading up to the Khabib fight.
Prior to that, his ear was ripped off in the cage.
So his ear got stuck in between a couple of the links on the cage.
Oh, I have seen that picture.
And his ear was hanging on by a thread.
Yeah, there it is.
Yeah, there it is.
Jesus Christ.
So this is all going on during training camp.
Wow.
One thing after the other.
And then I leave four weeks out.
Not to mention he switched to a vegan diet.
What?
Yeah, for that fight.
Why did he do that?
I have no idea.
Who told him to do that?
I have no idea.
Do you have any response?
I just ate vegan lunch, by the way.
So I'm talking shit.
I eat a lot of vegan food.
Do you?
I talk a lot of shit about vegans, but my diet consists mostly of vegan meals
and murdered
animals.
I combine those two.
That's pretty interesting.
I just feel like you can't get, it's very difficult to get everything you need
from just vegetables.
But I feel like you really can't eat enough vegetables.
I think vegetables are super important for you.
Absolutely.
I think that it's one of the main issues that people suffer from when it comes
to health and nutrition.
Even a lot of vegan people, they eat too much breads and pastas and rice and
things along those
lines.
I think you need a lot of vegetables.
I think it's super important for you.
It changes the way I think and feel.
Have you ever tried a supplement called DIM?
What is it?
DIM?
Yeah.
No, what is it?
What does it stand for?
Diendalmethane.
And it's supposedly like a concentration of all the cruciferous vegetables, but
it helps
lower like estrogen levels.
It's got phytoestrogens.
Really?
So it helps your body metabolize estrogen.
And I tell you what, it actually works.
It gives you gnarly gas, but it works.
I don't know if I'm willing to make that tradeoff.
No, dude.
It's worth it.
Take it on an empty stomach.
It's that bad?
Really?
Clear out the room, yeah.
Whoa.
Jesus Christ.
Easily.
Don't tell certain people that I know that enjoy blowing farts on folks.
The other night, my fiancée and my baby woke up.
Oh, no.
I got a two-year-old in these.
You woke the baby up?
Oh, good lord.
He was laughing.
Da-da-poopa.
Da-da-poopa.
Oh, no.
It's very funny.
So who talked Dos Anjos into going vegan?
You know, I don't know, to be honest.
I don't remember.
I think he just kind of, something he wanted to try on his own.
And if you notice in that fight, he looks quite a bit smaller, too.
Like, his shoulders look smaller, and he looks...
Loss of muscle mass.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you know, there's some health benefits to eating a lot of vegetables.
I just don't, I don't think there's enough evidence to promote veganism.
Right.
I just don't think it's worth, I think the trade-off is too significant.
Right.
And I think your body, I mean, we're omnivores.
It's just the way it is.
And especially when you're dealing with high-level athletes that are blowing
down a lot of muscle
tissue on a regular basis, so a lot of recovery that needs to be done.
If you're just a regular person going through life without any significant
stress on your
body, you probably can get through fine with it.
Right.
But I think for high-level athletes, it's v