Name: Joe Rogan Experience #662 - Vinny Shoreman
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #662 - Vinny Shoreman' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2015-06-19. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #662 - Vinny Shoreman

All right, we're live. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Vinny Shorman. How are
you, buddy?
Hello, I'm fine. How are you?
Good, good. Pull that mic up. Get it right up there.
Okay.
We just did a hypnosis, a hypno session. How would you call it? Hypnotic
session?
No, just say it's a session, really.
Hypnosis? Yeah, stuff, stuff.
Mental training, mind stuff.
Vinny is the man that Joe Schilling had experienced some fantastic results
doing this with you.
Joe Schilling, who's the world champion kickboxer and Bellator fighter, a guy
who's been in here before.
And he told me about you, and you and I went back and forth on Twitter and
email,
and then we finally got together today and did a hypnosis session.
And I'm here to tell you, hypnosis is real.
You definitely go under. If something happens, you go to some weird dream state
la-la land.
How long was I under for?
Four and a half days.
I'm not even hungry.
To be honest, about, I'd say, 20 minutes.
20 minutes.
Maybe 20 minutes, 30 minutes.
Yeah, I kind of get lost in it, too, you know?
It seems like five.
No, it was longer than that.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was longer than that.
It was like, I remember the beginning part, and then all of a sudden it was
over.
I was like, whoa.
And there was some weird dream state stuff going on in the middle,
where you were talking about some things, but I was thinking about other shit.
But when I was thinking about shit, I was like, wow, I'm in a weird state of
mind right now
while I'm thinking about these other things.
I better get back on track about what Vinny's talking about.
Well, you know, I think it's funny because I've done it.
Everything that I do with my clients and you've experienced, I've experienced,
and you put it right, it is weird.
Yeah.
It's weird because it works.
It definitely works.
Well, there's different states that the brain operates in.
We all know that.
There's states when you're stressed out.
There's states when you're super happy.
There's states when you're very focused.
There's states when you're in danger.
There's states when you're in love.
And we all know that these are weird places that your brain can go to, weird
frequencies or weird vibrations or whatever you would call it.
But to be able to manipulate it like that, to be able to put someone into a
state like that or help them, assist them getting into a state like that, that's
a very unique skill.
Yeah, I mean, all hypnosis is self-hypnosis anyway, so you do it.
I just guide you into it, you know, and, you know, give you ways of just going
into hypnosis as a natural state.
Like we said, we said, I was talking earlier, like, you know, you're driving
and all of a sudden you end up there and you think, shit, how did I get there?
I don't do that because I'm rubbish at driving.
But, you know, other things where you just, it just seems, televisions, hypnosis,
music's hypnosis, they're all different states.
And we're all in different states all the time.
So, like a movie that just captures you and you don't even realize you're
watching it.
You're just totally captivated.
You're inside, you're completely absorbed in the film.
That's almost like a hypnotic state.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, you know, clapping for Superman, for instance.
We know Superman doesn't exist, unfortunately.
Sorry to break anyone's hearts out there that love Superman.
But, you know, it's just a part and parcel of using your imagination to get you
to a place where you want to change.
So, but that state that you achieve when you hypnotize someone, when you put
someone in this really relaxed place and you have them focus on very specific
things and you get them to this weird state where your mind is, drifts off into
that dreamland.
That's very different than a movie or very different than driving home in your
car.
It's pretty intense.
Yeah, it is.
They're all imaginative processes, anyway.
You know, they're all imaginative processes.
But with hypnosis, you're focusing on a specific problem, normally.
You know, you're focusing on a specific problem.
So, it's the leading to it.
It depends.
It depends how the client is.
I don't always use hypnosis.
I am a mind coach.
I don't class myself as a hypnotist, although hypnotherapy is part and parcel
of what I do.
I class myself as a mind coach because there's different facets to it, there's
different ways of leading people into various things and considerations about
what they say, especially using language.
When it's out of sync sort of thing, it doesn't make sense.
And then you might, you know, have to make sense of it.
And then unconsciously, your unconscious mind deciphers it and gets you the
best results, really.
Well, it's fascinating to me because for the longest time, mind coaches were
sort of unheard of in combat sports.
It was almost like it was a scarlet letter or, you know, a mark against you
because you were so weak that you needed someone to figure out how to hypnotize
you or how to talk you into being strong.
You needed a coach.
You should just be a fucking man and get out there and do it.
Right?
Like, that was the attitude that a lot of people had.
Yeah.
In England, they say, don't be so fucking soft.
Go on, you'll be all right.
Don't be so fucking soft.
They say that in America, too.
Yeah.
But they don't say it with that same sort of thing.
Yeah, they say it with the same cockney tone.
I don't know why they did a cockney tone there from the north.
Yeah, I mean, it was, yeah, it's all macho.
You know, don't, you know, get on with it, blah, blah, blah.
I've seen more people who are very, very skilled get beat by their own self.
You've seen that, you know, their own minds.
And then it can be a very, it can be very hard for people.
Well, the reason why I was going to bring that up because I think that fighting
in particular
is probably the most difficult of all chosen endeavors.
Outside of being a soldier, it's the most difficult of all chosen endeavors as
far as chosen goals
that you're trying to accomplish.
What you're trying to accomplish is you're trying to use your body, use your
bones and your muscle
to defeat other people who are also using their bones and muscle.
And the techniques are all readily available.
There's no secrets anymore.
I mean, there's a few secrets.
If you have really good coaches, you can get some tips.
But essentially, everybody knows how to punch.
Everybody knows how to kick.
And you're just trying to figure out how to maximize your possibilities,
maximize your potential
for victory, and how to not get in your own way, how to not trip over your own
fears and anxiety.
And that's where this mind coach thing comes into play.
And that's where I think it's applicable not just for fighting, but also for
just life in general.
Because I think that for a lot of people, their success or failure, a big part
of it is predicated
on how they view life and how they view themselves and how they approach each
thing, each obstacle,
each goal, each endeavor that they're attempting to solve or to give their own
expression to.
And I think that if it works on fighting, it'll probably work on anything.
And if you can get someone to a better place mentally where they can become a
more effective fighter
and stay out of their own way, in terms of their anxiety and their fears, like,
the reality
of fighting is you're probably going to get hurt at some point in time.
It's just part of what you're doing.
You're in the hurt business.
This is the hurt game.
And somewhere along the line, you're going to get hit.
And you're hopefully going to hit the other person more than they're going to
hit you.
But bad things happen to great fighters.
Yeah.
And we've all seen it.
Yeah, I mean, it's part and parcel of everything.
You know, it's not just about fighters.
I mean, I do work with fighters because I come from a Muay Thai background.
I've been involved in it a long time, 30 years now.
And fighting's hard, as you know, of course.
But fighting yourself as well as an opponent, as well as trying to listen to
your corner,
as well as hearing people scream your name or other people screaming for other
persons to kick your ass,
it's difficult.
You have to kind of go within, you know, and control everything that you do
and try and impose what you've got to do on the other person.
Yeah, doubts and fear, they're extra weights that you carry into the ring or
into the cage.
And in life, I mean, and again, it's analogous to life.
Doubts and fears on top of the reality of the difficulty of whatever you're
trying to do,
whatever you're trying to do.
Those doubts and fears, they're like, it's like a heavy weight vest that you're
carrying
on top of the burden of whatever you're trying to accomplish in the first place.
And for fighters, it can be just smothering.
I mean, we've had many instances of guys backstage that either didn't fight or
almost didn't fight
because they were having anxiety attacks, because they were freaking out,
because the moment was finally there.
And their mind was just running away from them.
Yeah.
Just their mind was trying to figure out a way out of this.
Like, we can figure out a way out of this.
All we have to do is just go crazy here, and the doctor will come over.
And, you know, how about you have a few heart palpitations and fall down,
you can't breathe, and then the doctor's going to rescue you.
Yeah, or you're ill.
No more fighting.
Yeah, you're ill.
I hope the doctor finds something wrong with me because I'm ill.
Yeah.
Everyone's considered that.
I mean, I did the same.
I thought, you know, if he sees that I'm ill, I've got a cough.
I'm ill.
And then I don't have to go in there.
But, you know, it's about controlling that.
Fights are won and lost in the changing rooms.
Sometimes.
A lot of the time, you know.
But you can be the most confident motherfucker on earth,
but if you're fighting Anderson Silva in his prime and you're not that good,
you're probably still going to get lit up.
Yep.
And that's a problem.
Getting yourself lit up as bad as you could, as you would,
if you didn't do anything about it.
You know?
Maybe.
You know, there's only so much.
Yeah, there is.
Yeah, there is.
I mean, not everyone's going to be a champion.
Right.
That's a fact.
That is a fact.
You know, they don't throw these belts around, do they?
The UFC and the WBC boxing.
They don't just give you a belt.
You know, and there's always...
But from my point of view, I like seeing people conquer shit.
Yes.
That really debilitate them.
Whether they win, lose or draw, sometimes it's irrespective.
It's the experience of them saying,
I did a lot better than I thought I would do and, you know,
and all that sort of stuff.
And they can live with it.
Some people lose and they just never forget it.
And it can haunt them for eternity, really.
Yeah.
They define themselves.
That's a real issue with human beings.
They define themselves by their past failures.
Even though they've learned from those mistakes, they always look at themselves
as like,
God, I'm the guy who did this.
I'm the guy who shit his pants.
I'm the guy who, you know, got in that car accident.
I'm the guy who showed up late and got fired from my job.
And you become, instead of a human being who has a lifelong, just a giant
string of experiences,
a lot of them that you've learned from and that you're better because of.
Instead, you have the sting, like the emotional sting of those failures that
just haunt people.
And that's very common with people that they get haunted.
That's why some people are haunted by high school, by grammar school and high
school bullies.
Yeah, definitely.
Being bullied, like, defined them during their formative state.
And, you know, I've known a lot of fighters who, they've carried chips on their
shoulders deep into their 40s
from being bullied when they were in high school.
A funny story.
When I lived in a place in England called Macclesfield, and it's on a big hill
where I used to live,
and I've seen the guy who used to live next door to me, his mu