Name: Joe Rogan Experience #700 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr
Uploaded: 2015-09-26T01:33:31.000Z
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #700 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2015-09-26. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #700 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr

And boom we're live. Before you take any of Dr. Gordon's advice, I just want
you to know folks, he's scared of shrimp, shellfish, pork, he's never had wild
game, and he refuses to eat outside of a very narrow dietary discipline. He's
got like a very, what is it? Halal? Is that? Halal. You really do that? You
really eat halal? I don't eat pork. You don't eat pork? No pork. That's, but
you know about bacon, right? When was the last time you've had it? I had turkey
bacon today. Yeah, I had turkey bacon, absolutely.
That's just pathetic. Turkey sausage, turkey bacon. Sex with two condoms on.
This is totally unnecessary. Well, some of us don't even use that. But how
could you eat turkey bacon and not eat the real bacon bacon? I used to eat it,
but after getting sick. No one got sick ever in the history of the world from
bacon. Do you eat bread? Yes. You have no problems with gluten? Well, I don't
have a problem with gluten. Okay, there's a lot of people who do have a problem
with gluten. Well, I have a problem with pig. You don't have any problems with
pig. How dare you? Sure.
My stool doesn't look as good as it does when I'm not on it. What are you doing?
Going over your stool with a fine-toothed comb? You better believe it. You
should look at your stool every morning. He's anti-pig.
We're here with Dr. Mark Gordon, my good friend, and his friend Andrew Marr,
who is, what is your position in the Warrior Angels Foundation?
I founded it, Joe. So founder and former Green Beret.
And tell us all about what it's about and what the mission is.
Yeah, absolutely. Our mission is to get no-cost traumatic brain injury
treatment to veterans who need it.
So it's an alternative means to get guys treatment outside of the medical model,
which is predicated on medication and psychotherapy, which does not improve
quality of life.
Is that changing at all because of, you know, all the work that Dr. Gordon has
been doing and there's been a lot of – I've heard outside of you even mention
of your name, people bringing up your therapies and the things that you've been
promoting for several years.
Is that changing in the community at all?
We're working to change it actively. So we're going to have a meeting next
month with some top people on the active duty side of the house.
We're also meeting with our – and works of getting with the Veterans
Administration and working that.
So we're going – they're going to know everything across the board about
these protocols, why they work, why they're better, how they're cost-efficient,
how they're time-efficient,
how this can not only improve a soldier's life but the life of the family,
child, second and third order effects, go on and on and on.
So the evidence is out there. The science is behind it. This isn't false hope.
We're not offering any false hope.
Everything is science, evidence-based reporting that we're doing and based off
Dr. Gordon's clinical application of years and years of doing it.
So the short answer is yes, they're hearing about it, and we have a five-year
plan to overtake the system and have them implement these on both sides of the
house, so to speak.
Now, for people who haven't heard any of our podcasts before and haven't heard
your discussion about it,
one of the biggest issues that we're experiencing with soldiers coming back
from Afghanistan and Iraq is – if you hear my voice, I've got a little bit of
a cold, ladies and gentlemen –
traumatic brain injury.
From eating elk.
How dare you? It's big. It was just bacon and a clam.
A lot of soldiers are coming back from these wars with injuries that may have
been fatal in the past.
They're no longer because of all these advancements in medical technology, but
they're still dealing with the ongoing effects of the war, the traumatic brain
injury.
Now, what you have found, and many others have supported this, is that a lot of
this is there's damage to the pituitary gland.
It stops the production of hormones, it stops the production of hormones, this
leads to deep depression, it leads to some pretty significant issues that
soldiers are facing.
Correct.
So, if you could just fill people in on that.
Well, what we found is that because of the body armor being so efficient, a lot
of the blast damage instead of killing someone is leaving them with trauma to
the brain.
And any form of trauma to the brain, whether or not it's a blast trauma, being
hit on the head, slip and fall, an automobile accident, turning upside down, or
whatever the situation might be,
the brain changes its chemistry because of inflammation, and that's from
tearing of little nerves.
It's not only the pituitary, and that's been some of the problem that we've had,
is focusing, as I focus on a narrow kind of diet, focusing in on just the pituitary.
But what we found is a group of chemistry in the brain called neurosteroids,
which regulate our personality.
And some of those neurosteroids have names like testosterone, or dihydrotestosterone,
estrogen, pregnenolone.
And the literature has been around since about 1986, showing that these
regulate our brain function.
So, head trauma of any sort can cause it to decrease, number one.
Number two, with any form of damage to the brain, you get inflammation.
And that inflammation expands, let's say, if there was a small area of tear in
the brain, or a bullet that penetrated, penetrating injury to the head,
that area where the bullet or the foreign object diminished the amount of brain
tissue, it grows larger because of inflammation.
It destroys more and more neurons.
And the more cells in the brain that are called neurons are destroyed, the
greater the onset of cognitive impairment,
your ability to use your brain in function, and then emotionality changes.
Now, how did you get involved in this, and how did you figure out what so many
people hadn't figured out?
With the emphasis on therapy and pain medication, antidepressants, how did you
see through that?
Well, I really didn't discover anything.
All I did was, in reading the literature as much as I read it, saw that people
had already laid the pathway for me to follow.
And I followed it intensely for the past, well, 21 years doing endocrinology,
and the past 10 years doing specifically neuroendocrinology, which deals with
the brain.
And it's in my population of patients, I used to see them for hormone
deficiency,
and then started going back asking them, those with the hormone deficiency,
if they've had any kind of head trauma.
And in the first book that I wrote, which had the first introduction for me to
write about traumatic brain injury
and hormone deficiency, was a young kid by the name of Michael, who had been in
a -- who had come to me,
his parents brought him in, and he had hormone deficiency, and we corrected his
personality improved,
his quality of life improved, and then read an article, which I've shared with
you in the past,
which came out of Turkey, about pugilists who had this specific growth hormone
deficiency,
and that was my epiphany article, where I started looking further and further
into literature,
and Muhtai, they had hormone deficiency, and then, boom, all the hormone deficiencies.
So this kid, I went back to him and said, have you ever had any trauma of any
kind?
He said, well, when he was 17, he was 21 at the time.
When he was 17, he was in a motorcycle accident, was in a coma for three days.
He came out of the coma, and his neurologist said, oh, you'll be fine.
Well, he progressively got worse.
So that set the stage for me to start looking at this relationship between any
kind of head trauma,
and then 2007, my first military was a Green Beret.
I met the wife, who was an emergency room doc in North Carolina, and she called
me and told me about her husband,
who was six tours of duty, was having some problems.
We ran.
We donated the money for him to get the full testing, and it turned out he was
hormone deficient.
When we corrected his hormones, he was back in the good light with the military.
He was getting ready to get kicked out for insubordination.
And that progressed on 2009 with opening up our practice to military, and it
just kept on repeating itself,
the same pattern, the same head trauma, blast injury, and hormone deficiency.
And now, how's this being received in, like, the rest of the medical community?
Because --
Well, this is an uphill battle because the way it's being treated presently,
if you look at the literature from 2012, 410,000 servicemen came back as
veterans
and were diagnosed with PTSD.
Now, post-traumatic stress disorder is usually perceived as being a
psychological --
psychologically precipitated event where they witnessed something that was
horrifying to them,
death of a friend, loss of a limb, or whatever the situation might have been to
stimulate it.
And that immediately opened them up to simple treatment.
Here, take this packet of antidepressants, and you'll get better.
Well, they didn't get better.
So they didn't get better because they were having what's called treatment-resistant
depression,
which now we find is due to hormonal deficiency.
If you look at the civilian population, people with hormone -- with treatment-resistant
depression,
you check them out and they're testosterone deficient, or estrogen overdose, or
low progesterone,
or low pregnenolone, other chemicals that are in our brain.
And these individuals have been the foundation of what I do in trying to find a
simple way to replenish them.
What you have to do is test them, and that's not being done.
It's so much easier just to hand a packet and say you have PTSD when the
majority of them are traumatic brain injury.
And I was on Dr. Drew's show with one of our patients who was an Army corpsman,
and he didn't have a single scratch on his body.
But within two years of separating from the service, he started developing
depression, mood swings, explosive personality.
He ends up coming into our program, and we find out he has two-and-a-half
hormone deficiencies,
and the pattern is indicative of having had head trauma.
Well, it turned out he would walk behind Abramson tanks as they were discharging
their shells,
and he said, "Man, my body would shudder."
And he was around javelin missiles.
He was around repetitive gunfire.
He personally didn't have a scratch on him.
That's incredible that just the recoil, just the boom, just the sonic boom, the
impact,
that that, you know, shocking his body can do that to you.
There are books out, and the government has lots of books out on blast trauma.
In fact, one of the amazing things for me to have read was the Army did a study
on individuals who had had blast damage, blast trauma.
No physical ailment, just blast.
And they put them on a simple product called N-acylcysteine, N-A-C, and those
that were on it got better.
But how come we're not hearing about?
What is that stuff?
N-acylcysteine, it's a precursor to glutathione, which is the number one anti-inflammatory,
excuse me, anti-free radical antioxidant system in our brain.
And it becomes deficient.
It's endogenous within our system.
And glutathione is the same stuff that you recommend taking after you booze it.
Correct.
Well, yeah.
Glutathione helps with metabolism in the liver to detoxify.
Here's the thing about N-A-C, though, also that Mark told me, and I'm on that
product, but if I was taking that while I was still operating, the problems
that I had never would have happened.
They would have cut it off.
So we can essentially cut off these problems just by being proactive and
preventative in this way.
So if we were right now today to administer to all Special Operations Soldiers,
N-A-C, a lot of these problems that we're having, out the window.
That's crazy.
That's crazy, right?
It's true.
Preventative medicine.
You know, a lot of what's going on is all, you know, trying to catch up.
Always trying to catch up with what we do is proactive.
We see patterns in the blood that if we let them keep on sliding until they're
sick, they'll get even, yo