Name: Joe Rogan Experience #724 - Christina Sommers
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #724 - Christina Sommers' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2015-11-19. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #724 - Christina Sommers

three two one and booyah we're live so uh you have a wonderful nickname miss
summers uh do people
you still use ms is ms gone i don't see that anymore you see it on forms ms as
like a possible
but like harvard was it harvard what which one of the major ivy league schools
was adding a bunch
of different gender right different gender neutral pronouns like zh e and they
were adding a bunch of
crazy new ones they have invented have you seen these yeah things like gyno
american that's a good
what does that mean that's what i am a gyno american i think i want to be one
can i be a gyno american
is that okay aspire do you have to be one of your nicknames though is a based
mom yes which is i know
that term from the rap world like based like there's what's that dude lil b the
based god is
that his name um and but i didn't know what based means but i've heard it used
a bunch of times and
it's always a positive yes descriptive right that's right so i had to jamie's
very he's into the hip-hop
world if i have to go to him the young kids um so i had to google it and there's
an urban dictionary
definition it's based is all about being yourself and not caring about what
anybody else thinks
right so they use it as an excuse um sorry they use it as a um an example it's
when you don't care like
uh that bag looks gay on you i don't care i'm based
i didn't know that that that seems like that i thought that i thought it would
be a different
definition i thought like based mom is like you're cool that's what i thought
yeah and i said so
because they called me that for quite a while it's mainly the gamers and gamer
gate and uh then they
explained that no it means to be authentic and you say what you think you're
not hypocritical so it's a
i mean i i think it's a great compliment being based and being a mom it seems
quite positive yes
but uh it was a very funny nickname um so you got involved in this whole gamer
gate thing
because i i found out about you through uh i guess through the whole gamer gate
thing because
someone had called me an mra once and i don't remember what the context of it
was but it was something
involving something that had to do with feminism and uh they they called to me
as a pejorative and i was
like what is that what is an mra so i had to google it and then when i realized
it was men's rights
advocate and i was like i can't believe that a feminist is making fun of me is
using a negative term
men's rights advocate so that it gets bad to care about men's rights like what
what's going on so that
made me get deeper into the rabbit hole of miss christina summers and then i
started watching
your factual feminism videos and i started listening to some of your
conversations and i became very
impressed but i i also became very perplexed because you face a lot of backlash
and uh i i found
that perplexing because everything that i saw you seemed to be very reasonable
very measured uh very
informed like how did you polite very polite how did you get on this kind of
crazy journey almost as
like if i mean correct me if i'm wrong but it seems like i don't want to say
you're redefining feminism
but you're redefining it after it's been redefined right you're actually taking
it taking it back to its
original noble purpose which was about equality basic fairness to women that
women and men should enjoy
equal liberty and dignity rights of course but feminism has drifted into i
think a kind of female
chauvinism and i became a feminist many years ago decades ago because i did not
appreciate male
chauvinism i still don't but i don't like female chauvinism that's what we have
today too much of that
and is there an origin of all this i mean is there one thing that you could
point to where this all
started because it seems like the the origins of like if you go back and watch
like old movies and
take a look at old culture it's very clear there's a lot of sexism going on
like men would smack women
in old movies and it was it was like it seemed like that's like in other than
reading books that's the best
interpretation of the time so if you go back to those 1950s films and look at
how people treated each
other it seems like there were much clearer definitions that women were
struggling against
like this this idea that women were inferior that the the whole stereotype of
women belong barefoot
and pregnant in the kitchen like this was this is what young women were
fighting against where women
period were fighting against when feminism sort of started its march that's
right and then what
happened particularly in the academy and i was teaching philosophy in the 1980s
and the chairman of my
department asked me to teach a course in feminist theory and i thought fine i'm
a theorist i'm a
feminism i sent away for the textbooks i was shocked by what came through the
mail i spent the summer
reading these books and i as a as a philosophy professor of many years i
thought there was a sacred
commandment about college teaching thou shalt teach both sides of the argument
it never occurred to
me it was my job as the teacher to take my views about the world and and
implant them in the
minds of my students i wanted to give them the the techniques to make their own
decisions and you
do that one way to do that is to give them the best that was thought and said
on both sides of a
contentious issue well these textbooks were not like that they were a series of
mutually reinforcing
readings and it was a conspiracy theory about the patriarchy buttressed by inflated
statistics
so i after spending a summer reading these books i wrote a paper and and gave i
went to the american
philosophical association and presented it and i will tell you typically at the
american philosophical
association if you give a paper people are it's very combative uh but then you
go out for drinks
well we did not go out for drinks uh i gave this paper women mostly women in
the audience were hissing
and booing and i was excommunicated from a religion i didn't even know existed
the church of feminism
i was i was i considered a that i'd committed an act of heresy what was your
take on it that was so
offensive well i said that uh that feminism should be about mutual respect it
should be about equality
not the demonization of men it was as if they had if you could reduce it to a
few phrases it would be
women are from venus men are from hell and i thought that's absurd why would we
want to teach courses
like that that demonize men let's let's celebrate humanity and have an you know
and also accuracy
because these texts were filled with what i've come to call advocacy statistics
or in some cases hate
statistics sort of designed to create uh just anger in women and they happen
not to be true but they work
very well as propaganda so as a philosophy professor i was very upset to see
classrooms being used to
disseminate propaganda and twisted conspiracy theories about patriarchy so i
tried to correct it
and what happened was i the the radicals were already there in the academy and
they do not tolerate
dissent well i mean you see it today on campus what you're seeing happening on
the campus today at
yale these terrible confrontations between these some are calling them cry bullies
now um and and
professors and so forth these these angry mobs i have been confronting them for
years but now
the public is beginning to notice well you've been confronting them only from
the standpoint of
feminism right i mean what was going on in yale was a professor had written a
letter saying that
children should probably have the right to be a little bit outrageous and
perhaps even offensive
in their halloween costumes right and just halloween costumes this led to this
massive outrage explosion
anger what seems like to me that something about it just seems really fake it's
something about it seems
like there's people that have the green light this one like there's a lot of
these issues where i feel like
the reaction that people have it's not a genuine reaction that what the
reaction represents is a
green light to be an it's like if you think that you to be really mean yes they're
really mean
these people and they want people's jobs they want their heads they want you
fired i never argued with
anybody that i wanted their you know to fire them you want to convince them but
this is something
different this is a fanatical well it's because there's a certain amount of
power that's involved in
social media a certain amount of power involved in this it is in fact a mob
mentality and a mob mentality
is a very real real mentality whether it's an actual mob out on the street in
the middle of a riot or
whether it's a bunch of people on twitter that get riled up into a frothy rage
dangerous and start
attacking people the way that this one girl was screaming at that professor who
was speaking in very
logical and very measured tones and she was screaming at him a mob can't be
reasoned with
and it's the worst possible display of irrationality and to have it on a campus
and right now the deans
the college presidents they are so craven and they are writing these you know
self-abnegating letters
and saying oh i'm so sorry and i honor this conversation honor the conversation
with a with
an angry mob i mean it's well it seems like what that woman did when she wrote
that original letter
was take take a little bit of a chance against the mob was take a little bit of
a chance and this is
the reaction the bomb was like you yeah you know no we're the mob right and
that woman screaming at
her husband oh i believe it's her husband right yes a distinguished uh uh i
think he's a sociologist
yes and he was being very fair and engaging them outside in the open in this
incredibly large group
but it was funny how he had to do it because there were so many people around
and some of them couldn't
hear what he was saying he's saying well i will raise my voice so that you will
be able to hear me but
i'm not yelling at her i'm raising my voice so you can hear me and then they'd
say don't yell at us
he would turn to one group of students because they would say you're not
looking at us he would turn
and then the students behind him would say you're not you know this man could
not win he was in a
terrible situation all because of halloween costumes exactly these children
these children
i call them children they i wouldn't have called college students children but
now they they it's so
they're so infantile but it's worse than that it's it's it's infantile yes but
it's infused with bitter
divisive hardline politics that they learned in their classrooms and that's how
i tie it to what i read in
these textbooks these paranoid theories these theories that i read incited a
fair amount of women not not
most i mean i think most college women would read these texts and just move on
but about 10 to 15
percent will become fixated and sort of intoxicated with rage and i saw it over
the years and now i i
mean the same similar things have gone on with race scholarship and um and
gender politics they're
similar phenomena well it seems to me that certain ideologies can become like
they they can become
contagious and they're also very intoxicating it's very intoxicating to be a
part of a group that's
being opposed and that is opposing you're on a team you're on you're in a war
you're on an army
and you're against the patriarchy you have an enemy and you're against whatever
the hell it is like
when those kids stormed that did you see the uh the the latest one where they
there's a study hall
and these kids in there are studying and these guys came in with signs
screaming black lives matter
black lives matter like okay do you are these people who are studying are they're
the ones who
are oppressing you are they who are you trying to impart this wisdom to i know
they went it was
ridiculous i saw it and and if if the students didn't get up and join them they
came over and accused them
yes it looked like a struggle sex session or something in 