Name: Joe Rogan Experience #752 - Mark Sisson
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #752 - Mark Sisson' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2016-01-27. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #752 - Mark Sisson

we're good already damn i didn't even see a countdown jamie you're so fast uh
thanks for
doing this mark appreciate it man totally my pleasure i've enjoyed your tweets
i've uh checked
out your your website and mark's daily apple and uh all of your uh the
different rules for the
primal blueprint and i found this really fascinating because um it seems really
straightforward it seems like oh well this makes like eat lots of animals
insects and plants move
around a lot at a slow pace lift heavy things run really fast but what you've
done essentially is
created a guideline for optimizing your health and your body yeah um you know i've
always wanted to
be healthy from a really early age like 12 or 13 and uh read a lot of books uh
wanted to do the right
thing um tried to figure out the the hacks uh before they were called hacks and
uh got to the
point where i was you know i was doing a lot of running because aerobics was
supposedly going to
make you live longer i was eating complex carbohydrates and a ton of them in
order to fuel the aerobics
i became a pretty good endurance athlete but i fell apart as a result of the
training and the result
that turns out of the diet so the diet was very pro-inflammatory as we say so i
started doing
research into uh the ways in which i could re-access this health that i was
seeking from the early
age uh and not fall apart and not be decrepit and beat up uh and this became my
mantra is how can i be
strong lean fit and healthy with the least amount of pain suffering sacrifice
discipline calorie counting
portion control and everything else and where it led me was out down this path
of um looking at human
evolution and how we got to where we are today how we derived this genetic
recipe that we all have
that wants us to be strong and fit combining the research only in the last 10
or 15 years
with the modern genome and and sequencing the genome and figuring out the
actual mechanism of how
lifestyle behaviors and foods and sun exposure and sleep turn genes on or off
and they can turn on
genes that make us uh strong and build muscle they can turn on genes that burn
fat more efficiently than
say glucose they can turn off genes that cause us to be moody and depressed
turn off genes that might
predispose us to to um to get cancer and what i arrived at was a sort of a
simple set of guidelines these 10
primal blueprint laws that not ironically emulate uh human nature and human
behavior for the first two
and a half million years of our existence so the genome was was forged in this
crucible of eat plants and
animals uh avoid poisonous things uh move around a lot at a low level activity
sprint once in a while lift heavy
things every human that ever lived up until 10 000 years ago did that every
single day and that's how
those genes got passed along to the next generation to become us where we've
screwed up is in the last
certainly last couple of hundred years but starting 10 000 years ago with
agriculture we went from being
hunter-gatherers and moving around a lot to being sedentary and sitting in one
place and
uh eating processed foods um not tearing uh not disposing of our waste uh lots
of lots of little
things that that sort of conspired to make us uh smaller and weaker and uh more
susceptible to disease
so you were involved in triathletes and endurance activities which kind of
break down your body that's
one of the big issues that a lot of people have with uh with that kind of
training it's just constant and
brutal and that's catabolic it's it's uh you know it's a it's a great pursuit i
wouldn't take back
my years as an endurance athlete i was a marathoner in the 70s uh and then i
was a triathlete in the
early days of triathlon and the uh all throughout the 80s but the training was
uh it's devastating it it
really does tear you down and you the assumption was at the at the time that
you had to put more miles
in than anyone else to be one of the best you had to uh you know dial
everything down you had to work
harder you had to suffer more you had to struggle more to achieve greatness or
to win races um what
we've discovered in the last five years is that it doesn't have to be that way
how crazy is that that
it's only the last five years i mean that we're talking 2010 2011. yeah um so
you know a lot of this uh
this new paradigm is based on science it's been brewing for 40 years but it
wasn't the the the findings
weren't palatable to most of the uh athletes who were training they certainly
weren't palatable to
the coaches who had been invested in training a certain way putting it a lot of
miles eating lots
of carbohydrates managing glycogen throughout an event uh which meant not only
um carbohydrate loading
the night before a race but seeing how many gel packs you could slam down in an
hour to keep the sugar
burn throughput going uh and that's certainly what my generation of athletes uh
wound up depending on and
and we all trained that way and it and it was sort of um it was counterintuitive
to think that you could
learn how to burn fats much more efficiently that you could possibly go faster
by going slower under
certain circumstances that you could spend time in the gym doing heavy weights
and have that manifest itself in
uh in in in better endurance so these these later sort of developments that
come out of the the laboratory
and come out of the uh clinical studies you know they were sort of interesting
to the people who are
reading them who knew how to read the studies but it didn't make it into the
mainstream uh training
mechanism what was the science based on where the with where people had used
carbo loading and carb
loading and using all those gel packs and eating a lot of pastas and stuff
where did that come from like
what was the the idea behind that um it was that came from studies that they go
back into the 30s and 40s but
it was basically um this notion that uh the body needs to burn glucose to go
fast uh that it it was
assumed that you couldn't burn fat at a high rate of throughput and if you
couldn't burn fat then the only
thing you could do was manage your glycogen those muscles can store four or
five hundred grams of glycogen max
which is only enough to run 20 miles let's say um and uh if you couldn't so you
you had to learn how to
manage that glycogen so you didn't deplete it in a in a marathon for instance
so you'd hit the wall at 20
miles so how do you get through the wall well you start to learn how to i mean
gatorade came out of the
science the gatorade was the great first real performance enhancing substance
that athletes used you could
drink this sugary drink that had salt in it in a race and um and then stave off
that wall a couple of
more miles so for years for decades um the science revolved around uh
continuing to continue to try to
figure out how to manage glycogen so tim noakes professor tim noakes out of
south africa was the go-to
guy in this he wrote a book called the lure of running it's a 900 page tome he
he was the um the
source that everyone cited for decades when it came to carbohydrate intake and
glycogen management and
all of the things that had to do with um fuel partitioning during uh an
endurance event
and about five years ago he looked at the research partly because he was um he'd
been a runner himself
he'd been employing the same strategy of carbohydrate intake and carbohydrate
management
but he was a type 2 diabetic he became he had become despite his training a
type 2 diabetic
i think his uncle and his father had died as type 2 diabetics so he you know he
got the fear god put
in him and he started to re-evaluate the research and he literally had an epiphany
goes oh my god i've
been i'm the guy that's been promoting this way of training for decades and now
i have to completely
change my my my opinion on it and say what i told you was wrong and the body is
developed and and was
designed to be a great fat burning machine and not rely so much on carbohydrate
and not rely so much on
glycogen or or glucose um and the guy is taking so much for it in south africa
they don't like trying
to run him out of the country there's a trial going on right now really yeah
here's a you know professor
tim doaks and in my mind that's the epitome of a heroic science a man of
science he he's gone down a
path he's dedicated his life to being the guy and then he he looks at the
research and he goes holy
shit i i messed up this is terrible i you know i've been telling you the wrong
thing and i'm willing
to to basically fall on my sword and tell you that because it's this new
revelation is the truth
well that's how it's supposed to be right i mean that's what science is
supposed to be it's not
supposed to be relying on this bad information just because you've taught it to
people it's supposed
to be you find the new data the new data doesn't correspond with the old data
you have to let everybody
know it's like you know that's like unicorn farts i mean it's it's a really
science is is kind of dirty
and and uh and messy and there are no black and whites in science there's no
absolutes there are
no there's no right or wrong answer they're just theories and opinions going
forward and if you're a
scientist who's had an investment in your life's work being one way you're
gonna you're gonna defend
that position even sometimes in the face of new new information that that
really becomes a huge issue
when they deny information just because it's bad for their ego or just because
it's bad for their
career and they could just i mean he can i'm sure have just kept his mouth shut
and just coasted and
everything would have been fine it uh well it would have been fine for a while
but the the the the corner
had been rounded i mean enough other scientists uh had had uh started to look
at this and i you know he
um he cited me as one of his influences in in helping to turn that corner but
here's a guy
he was reading my blog posts and sort of you know having a a new perspective
cast upon his information
and was willing to look at some of the research that i and rob wolf and a
number of other uh bloggers in
the new in the emerging paleosphere we're talking about that that we are um we're
born to to excel at
burning fat and we shouldn't have to depend on sugar and in fact the less sugar
we burn in a lifetime
probably the better off we are so for the longest time when people were doing
all this carbo loading and
when they were um just following the old methods they were creating extra
inflammation because of
this food i mean this the the when you're talking about simple carbohydrates
pastas and bread and
such they they cause inflammation yeah so so sugar is is pro-inflammatory if
you have high blood sugar
levels that causes inflammation if you when you say that to people like explain
to me what do you what
do you mean by inflammation you like joint inflammation yeah so like um good
question so inflammation is a
process in the body that's designed to deal with an insult so you twist an
ankle um an inflammatory
process begins the uh the ankle swells up because water accumulates there the
cells are being partly
protected by the the water white blood cells rush to it to try and uh um assess
the damage and and fix
repair some of the damage uh there's a long process where um the temperature of
the localized temperature
of the air is raised all of this is contemplated to deal with a short-term
insult that hopefully uh
over time it repairs um in many cases it repairs even stronger than it was
before you know you break a
bone and sometimes that where it broke is stronger um or a callus is an example
of uh you know a stronger skin
from having been irritated but the same and we can the same sort of process
happens if you get um a bacterial
insult if you get a microbial insult you get infected with somebody and uh
something and uh maybe by
somebody and you and you get uh uh and there's a there's a reaction to that
infection um and it may
happen in the bloodstream if if the um