Name: Joe Rogan Experience #760 - Doug Duren & Nathan Ihde
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Joe Rogan Experience #760 - Doug Duren & Nathan Ihde

In Creole, they would say Dubai.
Ladies and gentlemen, Doug Duren.
I always wanted to do that.
I never get a chance.
I always wanted you to do it, man.
My man.
And you brought your friend, Nathan Ide.
Both of you guys escaped the winter of Wisconsin, which I'm representing right
now.
Yeah.
Hunt to eat t-shirt.
Hunt to eat t-shirt.
And Matting and Giannis Putelis, this is their company, and Matting sent me a
code for people
if you want to use this, if you go to hunttoeat.com, and I think the code word
is just Joe Rogan,
all in one word.
I'm going to find it in one second.
And if you do that, I think you get 10% off.
Hold on a second.
I'll find that real quick.
Do, do, do.
Yeah.
Joe Rogan, all caps, 10% off.
Hunt to eat.
And some of them are license plates.
This one's the Wisconsin one.
It's just a circle.
It shows the state.
A little deer in it.
A little deer tracks around it.
Yeah.
Our friends, their company.
Great guys, man.
The best.
They really are.
The nicest people.
They work for Steve Rinella at Meat Eater, and we know them well.
Doug Duren, of course, is my friend from Wisconsin, and he brought his friend,
Nathan.
Idy.
Yeah.
Idy.
Yeah.
And we're going to talk about some stuff, and, well, it's just good to see you
anyway,
but we're also going to talk about this one thing that came out today that I
tweeted
that they found that there's a huge difference, not just a little difference.
Because people have always wondered, like, does it matter if you buy grass-fed
food?
Does it matter if you buy, I mean, does it really matter?
Well, apparently it does.
There's a new study that found clear differences between organic and non-organic
meat and milk.
And this is the largest study of its kind.
An international team of experts led by Newcastle University in the UK has
shown that both organic
milk and organic meat contain around 50% more beneficial omega-3 fatty acids
than conventionally
produced products.
Which is pretty fascinating, because a lot of people have speculated that it's
all BS,
that you go and you buy grass-fed this or grass-fed that.
It doesn't mean anything, but it means a lot.
Well, you know, what's interesting to me about it is so much of it for me is
intuitive.
I grew up with cattle, and it makes sense that a ruminant, a cow, it eats grass.
You know, that's what it eats.
And you start putting all this other stuff into it, for instance, corn,
soybeans, and
that sort of thing.
That's not what they were made to eat.
And so then you take that a step further and have it be, I think they're
referring in this
organic that they're talking about grass-fed.
And so they're eating what they're supposed to eat, not what we somehow along
the way decided,
well, this is what they're going to eat, corn or soybeans, because they'll put
on that
fat that we all like so much.
It speeds up the process.
Yeah, it does.
It speeds up the maturing process of the animal, but not in a good way,
necessarily.
Yeah.
It does so many bad things.
Yeah.
It makes so much sense to me that just from a common sense level that this is
going to
be the best thing for the animal, and then down the way, it's going to be the
best thing
for us.
We're not forcing stuff on that animal that they wouldn't normally be eating.
They aren't going to eat it by choice.
But I will tell you, the cows, they're not the ones that I had when you were
out there.
But if I go out with the cattle that I have now that I bought about a year ago,
I bang
two buckets together, and they come running.
Because they know the food's coming.
Well, because they used to be fed corn.
Oh, so these are animals that you purchased that were already at maturity?
Yeah, they were bred cows.
So I was looking to get those cattle that I had when you were there, that we
had when
you were there, I sold.
We had a drought year, and hay prices went through the roof, and I had a barn
and shed
full of hay, which was pretty valuable.
And the cattle were still pretty valuable.
So I was able to sell those, and then take the winter off, and spend some time
in Mexico
going, not because I didn't have to feed cattle.
But, and then decided to get back into the game.
So now I've got a herd of Herefords that I bought last year.
A herd of what?
Herefords.
What's a Hereford?
Hereford is a breed that I think originated in Britain.
And white face, red animal.
So a lot of the ones that we had when you were there the last time were
actually a Hereford
cross.
So they were a Hereford originally, or their original brood cows were Herefords,
and then
we bred them to like a black Angus or a red Angus cross-bred to get some hybrid
vigor out
of them and that sort of thing.
What is the difference?
What's the difference of?
Between different styles of cows or different breeds of cows?
Wow.
Everything from the, how they put on weight to how they look to in the, what?
Efficiency.
Yeah, efficiency is a big thing.
Efficiency is how they'll put weight on.
If they're dairy cattle, some of the, like Guernseys and Jerseys and that sort
of thing, they
won't produce as much milk, but it'll have a real high butterfat content.
So that's fascinating.
With the same food, so with the same, feeding them the same thing, different
cows produce
different butterfats?
Yeah.
So Holsteins, which is the sort of the traditional dairy cow, big black and
white thing.
You know, you've seen them on everything.
They're a big animal, big bone, you know, really tall, big animal.
And they sort of have the ability to kind of eat.
They're not as picky eater.
They produce a lot of milk, but it'll have a lower butterfat.
I can't believe I'm talking about dairy.
I mean, I've been out of the dairy business since 1988.
Well, it's fascinating stuff.
Most people have no idea.
Yeah.
And I had no idea that different cows will produce a different level of dairy
fat.
Oh, no, that's exactly right.
And then butterfat is what a farmer is paid on.
So 100 pounds, which is about eight pounds to the gallon, and in milk, you're
paid by the
pound.
100 pounds of 3.5% butterfat, for instance, is not worth as much as 100 pounds
of 4.5%.
So there's this whole calibration system they use to do that.
So, you know, milk's being tested all the time.
Both organic grass-fed, managed pasture-raised, and, you know, more modern, if
you will, the
confined animal facilities where they're, you know, milking, I don't know, 1,000
cows in
a real small area or very, you know, confining them in a very small area.
Where Nate and I both grew up, and you saw our farm, a lot of pasture, fields,
that sort
of thing.
So the cattle are kind of walking around doing their thing out on pasture.
They come in in the evening.
You'd feed them sort of a supplement of it might be grain or it might be hay.
You know, it might be these various things.
And it kind of depended.
And that all evolved over time and in my lifetime.
And you were always sort of aiming to get the most out of each one of those
animals.
And depending on how you looked at the science, you know, people spent their
whole life studying
how to get the most out of a cow.
Depending on how you looked at that science, you made decisions about that.
Well, when I was a kid, there was a lot more of, and I mean a kid like in the
60s, in the
early 60s, there were a lot more common sense involved.
And now it's much more like in those big milking operations, that sort of thing.
It's more science.
It's like, here's how we can get the most out of them.
So you remember this shift between what was like normal farming, normal dairy
farming, normal
meat cow farming, to this thing that we're seeing now that most people have a
real big problem
with, this factory farming installations where you have these cows jammed into
these warehouses
and chickens and the same thing with pigs, and those are the things that people
have a real
issue with when they see them on television, they see YouTube videos.
Do you remember this shift?
Oh, God, yeah.
So I'm 57 years old.
I was born in 1959.
By the time I was old enough to drive a tractor, which is when you're about
four years old, where
I'm from.
You were driving a tractor at four?
Well, you're sitting there steering it anyway, and going through the field when
they're picking
up...
Powerful Wisconsin.
I was six.
I was six when I jumped up.
So do you remember this?
Oh, yeah.
And so when I was a kid, do you remember where we shot, where we had that
shooting range
set up by my house?
That little kind of, it was an old foundation there, that was a chicken coop.
Oh, okay.
We had chickens there.
There was a granary in between, the little building that we fondly call the
keep out shed
now because it's the security there, it just says keep out on the door.
And that was a facility where we raised pigs, and then we had a rolling herd of
about 40 milk
cows, and they were Holsteins.
So it was a diverse farm, it was a diverse ecosystem, if you will, and I don't
know, during the Nixon
administration, Earl Butts, who was the Secretary of Agriculture then, came out
and said, get
bigger, get out.
And that was really the beginning of the end of the small family farm.
What do you mean, like he said, he said this, like, was it a statement on
television?
It was a statement.
Or, like, what, how did this go down?
Well, I'm sure it could be found somewhere, but get bigger, get, I mean, that's
just the,
it was a part of a, or a press conference or something to that effect, that
that was going
to be the move in agriculture, you know?
And it was a long process.
I mean, I remember our exit, if you will, from the dairy sector, ours came in
the late
90s, so there was a big shift.
You know, just for example, my grandfather was running the farm in 1977, and
the milk price
was like $14 or $15 per hundredweight.
When my dad was forced to sell in, I think it was 98 or 99, it was like nine
bucks, you
know?
So you're trying to raise a family and continue a legacy, and you're getting
paid dirt, you
know?
So what caused that shift?
Big agriculture.
Yeah, it was systematic, you know, it was a systematic shift to the corporate.
And there's some sense, I want to say there's some sense in it, but that's
probably not a
completely, I mean, you understand that efficiency is getting, you know, it's
the American way.
You get bigger, you get, there's efficiencies in scale.
But I'm trying to understand, like, what was the motivation?
Was it that populations were booming?
Because there's a lot more people today.
Yeah.
I mean, I think we looked at it up the other day, I think in 1970, there was
something like
150 million people in this country.
Now there's 300 million.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's not that long ago.
I mean, that's in my lifetime, and that's crazy.
That's crazy that the population's doubled, and the demand for food obviously
doubled as
well.
You know, something that's really interesting, if you look at that area where
you came out
and visited, the exact opposite has happened in population there.
There's half as many people in our area as there were when I was a kid.
And it's a farm area.
And it's a farm area.
So the small farm, the family farm, is what's really suffering.
Because it's so hard to make ends meet with these gigantic operations that are
just...
Yeah.
Is that...
Well, they can, you know, I mean, it makes sense.
You know, on a business scale, you can afford to sell a product cheaper if you're
doing it
bigger.
But the things you lose there are the quality and the sustainability and
environmental impact
of the process.
You know, you've got these big farms where basically they make more product,
but they
also make more shit.
Yeah.
You know, and that's a water issue.
Well, that was a big part of that documentary, Cowspiracy, where they were
trying to talk
about the methane that's produced by cows.
The methane and just getting rid of the actual cow shit itself.
Like, you're talking about massive, massive quantities.
And when I was younger, and even now, the manure that's produced on our farm,
like now in
the winter, I'm fee