Name: Joe Rogan Experience #782 - Rick Doblin
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #782 - Rick Doblin' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2016-04-08. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #782 - Rick Doblin

call is that okay is that comfortable yeah okay it's where there's a constant
debate as to whether
or not the headphones are the way to go because the headphones are the only way
that you can hear
exactly what other people are going to hear when they listen to the podcast so
you can kind of like
review it while it's happening like and if only i wear headphones then it feels
weird like i'm
interviewing you yeah and it seems kind of to focus my attention just on the
yeah what i hear and
yeah yeah welcome back man good to see you yeah roblin from maps that's for
whatever reason that
acronym i always stumble with multidisciplinary association for psychedelic
studies yes yeah
and actually i was just um yesterday with and today with ralph metzner and i
got the name from him in a
way he wrote a book maps of consciousness and i needed a name for the
organization that had a p in
it for psychedelic right and so i was looking around for words that had a p in
it and maps and i really
liked what ralph did and with tim and around us and the rest and so i i thought
maps it helps
you know explain a territory yeah well you guys are so important when it comes
to the the dialogue
of psychedelics because from an outsider this is how i always viewed maps maps
is always like oh
those are the actual really smart dudes who are into psychedelics because there's
so many wacky
out there in the world of psychedelics they want to bring you crystals and talk
to you about channeling
and i know a healer and there's so much going on that's so crazy and then there
was science and then
there was people doing actual peer-reviewed studies there's actual scientists
involved there was real data
and you guys were pursuing it the right way and i was like oh these guys are so
important because
there's not a lot of people that that's one of the weird things about psychedelics
you could tell
people that you went out and drank whiskey until your feet went numb and you
shit your pants and no
one cares but if you tell people that you got together with some friends and
you took a naturally occurring
psychedelic drug and you explored your consciousness and you you're so much
happier now and you feel better
about life and you're more optimistic if you do that you're some wacky hippie
druggie some loser well
that's the perception and so we've got this coming out and we've looked at
other social change movements
like gay marriage and gay rights and it comes from people coming out because
there are loads of smart
people that do psychedelics or you know talented or emotionally wise and they
just keep it quiet so people
don't really know who in society has had these influences and they don't have
to keep it quiet
either i mean it's it's jobs think that their employees for some reason would
be better off if
they didn't do certain drugs certain jobs i think that's crazy the idea that
they get to control your
body when you're not there is just crazy yeah but if you look at the companies
like facebook and google and
all these tech companies they don't do drug tests they better not they don't
they'll lose everybody
yeah they know they're not they mentioned google did a pot test oh good lord oh
my god they would
lose the entire company it would come back it would be like real straight laced
republican trump supporting
yeah yeah so the the innovation and psychedelics and marijuana and looking at
things in different ways
people are getting to appreciate that i think more the culture is changing
well we're in these camps you know we have these camps the do's and the don'ts
do you take drugs do
you not take drugs and you know and there's a lot of people that pride
themselves on one or the other
whether they're a perturber or non-perturbed you know there's there's people
that get weird about
people that are doing things other than what they're doing they don't like it
yeah and that's why we need
this kind of coming out yeah so we were having these global psychedelic dinners
and this is our 30th
anniversary actually tomorrow wow is the 30th year that i started maps in 1986
and we're asking people
to um in their own homes or with their friends to invite people over and then
have them tell stories of
what psychedelics have meant to them or what their hopes are for psychedelic
research so you're inviting
everyone to do it like on it like to make a night of it yeah it's like a
holiday and yes yeah during
april during the month of april generally you're creating your own holiday it's
well there's people
that have done this before there's with conversations about death with dinner
and drugs with dinner even
right so they try to promote conversations in safe places but where people feel
comfortable to really
be more honest and they can open up and so it's kind of modeling on that it's
right and then it hopefully
helps people to come out even more i mean we even have like a twitter uh um it's
a hashtag psychedelics
because and so people can write in and just say psychedelics matter to me
because or you know i i i'm more
hopeful or i'm you know feeling that multi-generational trauma can be addressed
through isn't that incredible
that that is one of the best things for it is mdma one of the best things as
far as getting over
traumatic experiences is an illegal drug yeah and yet there's a carved out area
that we've been able to
make legal which is the research area and it's because science is the vehicle
in our culture that we trust
more our religion than our religions and so it felt like science and healing
were the ways into the
culture that was freaked out by psychedelics in the 60s and now because of
these crises we're in and also
these tools that can be shown to be really helpful and that people have made
life's out of them that it's not hurt them it's helped them but people don't
know it so that's
where we think um the research is helping people create a space where they can
talk about it well i think
it's people are starting to understand the true nature of these things instead
of the propaganda and
they're doing it from people like yourself being really honest about their
experiences and people like
yourself even more importantly because there's not a lot of people like you
that have actually
gone out and pursued all the significant scientific data on psychedelics and
the beneficial properties
to it so that we can understand like we have this idea about a thing forget it
put all your ideologies
aside whether you're a right wing or a left wing we have an idea about a thing
that's not correct
and this idea about a thing is that there's a certain group of consciousness
adjusting substances that
are for losers they're for dumb people they're for fools and don't you mess
with those and everybody
who does those is lazy and stinky and we and you lock they're like people there's
a lot of people that
automatically lock into that pattern of thinking that's their go-to for for any
drugs anything that's
not legal but yet those same people oftentimes will drink they have no problem
doing that and a lot of
times they'll take pills too which which is even more bananas yeah well there
was this idea that drugs or
marijuana hurts your iq says i mean there's been says who to prove it is that
true well there was a
study the national institutes of health just uh two weeks ago had a conference
in washington at the
nih headquarters the head of nih was there the head of nida the head of nimh
national institute of mental
health about marijuana and cannabinoids and it was a neuroscience review and
they presented results
that suggested that there was um heavy marijuana smokers that started early in
their lives over
this was done in new zealand over like a 20-year period had some differences
lower iqs than their control
groups well if you're talking about people that are smoking marijuana heavily
one of the things
that i would say is that if you're smoking marijuana heavily you're not going
to do a whole lot of
thinking you're going to zone the out you're going to do a lot of zoning out
and while sober people might
be absorbing more information you're probably off on a world of your own all
day long that's not
necessarily healthy i think all psychedelic drugs should be an enhancer but
they shouldn't be in
replace of like you shouldn't say you know i'm just going to be high from the
moment i wake up to
the moment i go to sleep every single day and this is how i exist i'm just high
all the time high high
high take a break man yeah i i had that of sense of um as in my early 20s of
smoking all the time to be
high high high and i enjoyed it and i felt it got me into things it got me
really into physical work
and labor really yeah it's pot and exercise fantastic i mean yeah that's the
opposite of the couch potato
idea you know that people have but pot and exercise um just meant i ran the new
york marathon while i was
stoned that's amazing i got tired in the middle and i walked into uh porta potty
and smoked some more
you got tired you smoked some more weed and jumped back in yeah that's amazing
oh my god that's a great
story that's hilarious a lot of jiu-jitsu people smoke pot yeah before jiu-jitsu
it's a big one
snowboarders yeah snowboarders love it yeah snowboarders love it they say
basketball players
yeah they say that it's one of the things about the nba it's like you better
not be testing for
weed because these dudes love it when it makes sense too because i don't play
basketball but i play pool
and it's it's um one similarity they share is that it's about touch and feel
and that touch and feel
is way enhanced like a lot of the best pool players also smoke pot you know
this guy uh i don't know if
i'm blowing up his spot probably shouldn't blow up a spot there's a video of me
doing an impression of
him and he's like a genius like ah fuck it i'll say his name's earl strickland
he's a genius pool player
and i he might have occasionally enjoyed marijuana that's all i'm saying but um
these guys like they
say that um when when they're smoking pot and playing you can like see things
better you have a better
sense of where the ball's going you have more sensitivity as far as how far it
rolls yeah i used
to play racquetball a lot and handball and a lot and sometimes i would play stoned
and sometimes i when
i was you you did have that deeper sense of being in the moment you were just
one step instant more
into the moment as and predicting and knowing and just um but i could never
there was an unpredictability
about it you know so so i could never really tell if i would play better or
worse there's just
well that's probably why you play good because you're never sure and you stayed
on the edge
you know i think that's there's a thing there's an ego dissolving quality of uh
any of these psychoactive
substances and i think that ego dissolving quality gives you more space to move
around with all your
other focuses that's my theory about it because i always felt like like with jujitsu
there you
definitely feel better at jujitsu when you're high and i was trying to figure
out why well you also feel
like you somehow or another you feel more vulnerable yet you do better like you're
more like like kind of
freaked out by any aggression or more trying to avoid any sort of conflict that's
what the driving
studies of marijuana and drivers show that that people know that they're
slightly impaired and they
take defensive measures they drive slower and they're just more aware of the
possibilities of an error as
well yeah yeah and you're correcting for it and you drive yeah more carefully i
i think that's the um part
that um we have to really be the experts on the risks as well as the benefits
yeah definitely that we
can't ignore that there are both sides of it for sure with edibles you know
like edibles and driving
just settle down just please settle down are you sure you sure that's a good
idea
yeah although i think the idea we need to do is more move to performance tests
rather than drug te