Name: Joe Rogan Experience #863 - Duncan Trussell
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Joe Rogan Experience #863 - Duncan Trussell

That shit, I put it in airplane mode, okay.
So, God is dead.
He is.
No, he is.
Why did you say that?
He is.
What about a bunch of people that had a birthday cake for God?
They're like, well, what the fuck do I do with this now?
And it's infinity candles.
Do you know how fucking badass Nietzsche felt when he said that for the first
time,
where he was like, God is dead, when it meant something?
Like, now you say it, and people are like, whatever, who cares?
Yeah, no shit.
But, like, back then, it was like a fucking, it was like a nuclear bomb going
off.
The declaration, God is dead.
Do you not understand?
He's dead.
When did Nietzsche write that?
I don't know, man.
I don't actually, you know, I have no idea.
It must have been the 1900s or so.
I don't know when Nietzsche was around.
Nietzsche is in my Carl Jung pile, where I'm always like, one day I'm going to
really get
into his work.
Oh, man, he's good, because he gets into your fucking head, man.
Because he, like, Carl Jung will get in your head, but it's more subtle.
Whereas, like, Nietzsche, like, you're reading, you ever read any Philip K.
Dick?
Yes.
So, you know how, like, you're getting on top of 1882.
Wow.
With Philip K. Dick, he was kind of crazy, but he was a genius.
So, when you read his fiction, it's like, you stop reading it and you feel a
little crazy
for a second.
Yeah.
Because something about the way he's writing just isn't normal.
There's something off, man.
Nietzsche, it's the same way.
It's like, when you stop reading him, you're going to, like, spend the next few
days like,
fuck.
Or, like, Burroughs.
Yeah, same thing.
Yeah.
Outsider artist, kind of.
Yeah.
I remember reading some of Burroughs' stuff and thinking, like, I might get
high just reading
this.
Yeah.
You know?
Like, Naked Lunch, that was him, right?
Yeah.
Wasn't that?
Yeah.
Terrence McKenna, the same thing.
Oh, yeah.
You just start tripping when you start reading his writing.
Like, you just start tripping.
God, I wish I could write like that, man.
You could.
How dare you?
Well, I mean, you would have to spend a lot of time writing.
That's all it is.
Yeah.
That's the only thing that's holding you back.
Yeah.
Is the amount of time that you would have to spend writing.
And reading.
You would love it.
You would enjoy it.
You know?
He saw, McKenna had some fascinating books.
Food of the Gods.
Ah.
He had some crazy fucking theories that he pitched that I've seen scientists,
like, especially
the doubling of the human brain size one.
That was a really fascinating theory that he had.
That he connected it.
See, I'm not sure if he was right in terms of the climatological data.
But his contention, for those of you who are aware of it, was that monkeys had
come down
from the trees and they experimented with new food sources.
And they started flipping over cow patties to get to bugs, because that's what
they do.
And along the line, they discovered psilocybin mushrooms.
Yeah.
And he thinks that the grasslands, the rainforest becoming grasslands, the
change in climate
led to these chimps, these monkeys, whatever our ancestors were, led to them
becoming more
experimental.
And that it could be coincided with a bunch of different things that they know
about mushrooms,
or it could be sort of confirmed with a bunch of different things.
One with that mushrooms increase visual acuity.
Yeah.
And they've shown this, like, in actual tests with real scientists who are
experimenting with
it.
Who was the other guy?
There was one German guy, a straight guy, too, that experimented with this.
God damn it.
I'm trying to remember his name.
But he had a really funny line.
What do you mean, the straight guy?
Straight guy meaning he wasn't a drug guy.
He wasn't a drug culture guy.
I don't mean straight, like homosexual, heterosexual.
I mean, like, he wasn't like Timothy Leary or McKenna or, you know, any of
these guys
who are, like, clear proponents of psychedelics.
He was just a researcher.
And they had found out that in low doses of psilocybin, like, say if you
changed an angle,
if you had two parallel lines and you made one, just varied it ever so slightly,
with the
psilocybin, they could tell when the angle was ever so slightly varied quicker
than they
could naturally.
Yeah, I can remember.
Yeah, it's visual acuity in the periphery, right?
So it's like expanding your peripheral vision by a tiny, tiny little bit.
Yeah, I don't even know if the test pertained to periphery only.
It might have been peripherally as well, because I do remember that one
specific task, that one
specific thing where they were trying to figure out how quickly you could
recognize when an angle's
changed, and you could do it quicker when you were high.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
So there's that, and then there's the horniness.
Mushrooms are known to make people horny, so that happens.
Yes, they are known for that.
The creativity aspect of it, there's that, you know, like the tapping into
alternative ways
of thinking, and that would lead to a lot of innovation, and it's also possible
that, it's
really possible that psilocybin, in some ways, is a nutrient.
I mean, it's also, it's an intoxicant for sure, it's a hallucinogenic, whatever
that means,
but it might be a nutrient too.
It's entirely possible that this increase in visual acuity, and this horniness
that it
gives you, and this connection to nature, and this intense creativity, like you're
tapping
into a river of ideas, and like scooping out buckets of them.
Yeah.
Like, all that might also, it almost, it might be something that when you're
consuming, it's
actually beneficial to the body, or beneficial to your brain.
But if it's having all those crazy positive effects on the brain, it might have
like a beneficial
long-term effect on the brain.
And they've been doing these studies on neurons, on repairing neurons, and psilocybin,
and psilocybin's
role in repairing brain disease, or brain issues, brain trauma, might not have
been neurons.
So you can find that.
Most recent studies with psilocybin and brain damage, and they think it might,
in some ways,
be able to repair brain damage.
Well, if that's the case, what if these monkeys were just eating them all the
time, and their
brains just grew?
I mean, what if McKenna was right?
Well, yeah, I mean, I think it is pretty safe, a safe bet that monkeys, or what,
I mean, monkey
isn't the right word, proto-hominids, right, who are wandering the plains, are
going to like,
if we're omnivores, we're definitely going to be eating whatever we can find
that gives us
nutrition, that has nutritional value, especially if you're out in a hunt, you're
hungry, the
thing you're hunting, shitting, food is growing out of its shit.
Yeah, well, I don't even think they were hunting then.
I don't think they could hunt something that big.
I don't think they had weapons.
What do you mean?
I think what they were doing was they were gathering, they were eating a lot of
bugs,
we were insectivores.
I thought his idea was that the, there's climate change, and so we start moving
into the grasslands,
and then we're hunting bovine animals, we're like, so.
No, I don't think that was the contention.
That's what I thought it was.
I think the contention was flipping over the cow patties.
I thought it was that because the thing that you're hunting is going to be shitting
things
that grow mushrooms.
No, I don't think so.
I think it was way later when they started doing that.
One of the things, here's a study that Jamie pulled up.
It says psilocybin mushrooms stimulate the growth of brain cells.
Psychedelic mushrooms have already had a reputation for helping people open
their minds and broaden
their perspectives in the world.
Some have shown an ability to combat mental disorders like depression and
anxiety, and now
research is showing that magic mushrooms can actually help physically rebuild a
damaged brain.
Well, if that's the case, if it's the case that it can physically help rebuild
a damaged
brain, maybe over long-term consumption, it can actually make a brain grow.
I think, I'm almost positive that McKenna's idea was not that they were hunting
these things,
but they were flipping over cow patties looking for beetles and grubs and worms
and stuff.
Makes sense, sure.
Because I think we're talking about like really small, ancient hominids.
I don't think we really hunted until we figured out tools.
I mean, not like large-scale, like large animal-type hunting.
So that was, I think that was way later than the human brain size growing.
Like when they, when they developed like the Adaladdle, you ever seen someone
use that?
No.
It's the precursor to the bow and arrow.
Before the bow and arrow, they figured out a thing called an Adaladdle.
Yeah.
And it's crazy.
It's a, it's got a handle on it and you put a spear in it and you launch the
spear with
a handle.
Like, almost like it's a crazy lacrosse ball.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, see it there?
That's what it looked like.
There's guys that make them and there's videos, Jamie.
You can see a guy that made his own and used it.
There's a bunch of them actually.
But, you know, people take those things and they, they throw them at targets
and they're
not very accurate.
I mean, they're okay accurate in comparison to like, I guess if you were, you
know, you
weren't skilled and you try to hit it with a rock.
I mean, it's probably more accurate than that.
And if you could sneak up on an animal, you could probably get some good
penetration.
They probably got really good at it eventually.
But that was the first of many weapons that could launch things through the air
that they
figured out.
Have you seen that, um, that weird ritual that chimpanzees are doing where they
throw rocks
at a tree?
Have you seen that?
Yeah.
What is that?
Well, they don't know.
It just is like, it's the idea that like they're developing their own weird
culture or
their own superstition or something that they just feel like something, they're
doing something.
I mean, we don't understand what it is, but like, it's a thing where you
throwing rocks at
trees and then there's all these rocks that are kind of like laying around
certain trees
because chimps have decided to just start lobbing rocks at them.
And they're saying, is this like some emerging chimpanzee religion or culture?
Like, yeah, it's very weird, man.
Like, what are they doing?
Why?
Do you know that they have, it's sort of been agreed upon by a lot of the
people that study
these animals that they're entering into the stone age?
Right.
Like, this is, this is the actual, like, when they're talking about chimpanzees
and they're
looking at their growth and they're learning, they're thinking that they're in
a new place now.
Yeah.
They're thinking they're starting to use tools and they're starting to use
stones and other
great apes are using tools as well.
Like, we knew that they would get, um, not we, like you and I are out there
doing research.
As we predicted.
As we predicted, Duncan.
They, you know, we always knew they used sticks to get, like, termites and
stuff.
But now, um, they're figuring out a way to do all kinds of crazy shit.
Have you ever seen the one orangutan that figured out how to spearfish?
Yeah, I did see that shit.
That fucking picture of him hanging over the river with a spear in his hand?
Crazy.
It's insane.
What, to me, what's really particularly interesting is that as, as our society
and our species
is moving into some new era, as we're moving into some God knows what the fuck
it is, these
guys are too.
Yeah, they are too.
It's like, they're moving for them, that, what, that state of the art.
That's some high, that's fucking, you're looking at goddamn, uh, Elon Musk
right there.
That's the Elon Musk of orangutans right there.
Like, what the fuck?
Look at him.
It is.
He's, like, fucking using that thing to get fish.
He's a genius.
That's a genius.
Like, in the same way that, like, we have people sending things to Mars.
But it's funny that the two are coinciding.
Like, it's f