Name: Joe Rogan Experience #877 - Jordan Peterson
Uploaded: 2016-11-28T23:24:11.000Z
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #877 - Jordan Peterson' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2016-11-28. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #877 - Jordan Peterson

all right we're live sir first of all thank you very much for coming on i
really appreciate it
i've enjoyed your youtube video i wouldn't say i've enjoyed i i have enjoyed
them but i've been
puzzled by them i've been puzzled by the subject and for people who have no
idea what's going on
let's sort of unpack this for them in canada canada is very different than the
united states
um i love canada i'm a giant fan of canada if there's one place i would live
outside of the u.s
100 it would be canada i love it up there i think the people are at least 20
more polite than america
but you've got some weird shit going on up there and your king what's it what
do you call him prime
minister trudeau that fella the castro lover the castro lover i was just gonna
say that this
fucking guy and people have been posting today all the atrocities that castro
committed during his
regime uh to sort of show how preposterous firing squad deaths a few thousand
how about all the
different people that they executed and then sold their blood to the vietcong
yes did you see that
wonderful wonderful man 50 bucks a pint yeah he was a wonderful man that that
fucking savage
um trudeau and what he represents is i think the good side of it what he's
trying to do they're trying
to make a kinder more progressive more inclusive country but along the way what
they're doing is
they're they're promoting what you would call online social justice warrior
values and some of them
are a little preposterous you are one of the very few academics who have fought
against some of these
ideas that are not just being promoted but are being enforced and enforced and
written into law and one of
them is about gender pronouns um what would mean by gender pronouns is not just
um he and she but a whole slew
of invented gender pronouns gender pronouns that you're going to be compelled
to use
yeah you're already compelled to use and and likely in the states too even
though people don't know it
yet certainly in new york and the um employment uh eeoc has already ruled on
that with regards to
businesses for the u.s and yeah businesses and i believe also landlords i think
uh yeah so if your
landlord chooses to misgender you and not just misgender you like if you're a
transgender woman
you used to be a man now you're a woman and they call you a he it's not just
that like you're compelled
to use how many what is the what is the number of them now while there's no
standard nomenclature for
the non-gender or the for the non-binary types there's many many invented words
words and which of those you're supposed to use is dependent entirely on the
subjective choice of
the person that you're talking with now most people i believe out there
listening are going
what the hell are they talking about right now we're talking about as many as
70 plus invented gender
pronouns like z x e about xer h i r a bunch of weird ones and this is for
people that don't necessarily
think they're a he or a she so they prefer these things um on top of that you
have animal kin
which is other kids other kin worm self which was the one i found most amusing
worm self i guess
that's for the low self-esteem other kids this is people that truly believe
that they are in the wrong
body and that they should have been born some form of animal and would like you
to refer to them as
this animal or elf or elf or fairy or i've seen pixie yeah pixie kin i haven't
seen pixie kin that's
that's a good one let's just get on tumblr you gotta get on right yes
absolutely that's where it all goes
down um professor peterson what the hell's going on what is this well i think
it's partly a it's partly
a form of narcissism yes it's it's uh it's partly a consequence of of the re of
the rise of the new
rise again of of say marxist doctrine i would say it's part of post-modernism
maybe it's post-modernism
more than anything else because the post-modernists that's a philosophical uh
community let's say
believe that the entire point of human categorization is power and the dialogue
between
people is only a power dialogue and that there's no real reality outside of
interpretation and that
basically what we do is exchange interpretive viewpoints to ratchet up our
dominance and status
and that's that and there's no biology is an ideology and the idea of the
objective world is an ideology
and science is an ideology and it's all interpretation all the way down like
turtles all the way down
what do you mean by it's all about power like in what way well you imagine that
that there are
groups of people who are competing in the world for resources i suppose and
that it's a zero-sum game and
and it's every group against every other group and the reason that we engage in
dialogue isn't to
establish the truth or move towards some some closer approximation of reality
but to
structure the social interaction so that our group comes up on top right and
that it that is really
what the problem is with all this is that it's not just a matter of choosing to
be defined in one way
but compelling others to define you in that way well one of the most most awful
elements of it
i think is the idea that individuals should be defined in terms of their group
identity at all
i mean you could argue and this is one of these weird inversions that's so
characteristic of this
chaotic state that we're in when people originally started fighting against
unfair discrimination
and and i say unfair discrimination because lots of discrimination is fair if
you discriminate
p against people on the basis of their competence that's perfectly reasonable
it's unfair discrimination
that that constitutes the proper battleground for people who have a more egalitarian
viewpoint
but the initial idea was to eliminate the proclivity for people to be categorized
according to their
group identity because that was interfering with everyone's ability to view
them as as competent
individuals but that got flipped probably in the 70s after the the soviet state
so self-evidently
was revealed as a catastrophe that that got flipped so that the world was
turned into
one group against another power struggle from one group against another and
then the social justice
warrior types and the lefties even the democratic party started categorizing
everybody according to
their ethnic or sexual or racial identity and made that the canonical element
of their being
and that's an absolutely terrible thing to do it leads to in the soviet union
when that happened for
example when they they introduced that idea along with the notion of class
guilt so for example when
the soviets collectivized the farms they they pretty much wiped out or or raped
and froze to death
all of their all of their competent farmers they they called them kulaks and
they attributed class guilt to
them because they were successful peasants and they defined their success as
oppression and theft they
killed all of them pretty much shipped them off to siberia and froze them to
death and they were the productive
agriculturalists in the soviet union and then in the 1930s in the ukraine
because of that about six
million ukrainians starved to death but the soviets were big on collective
guilt and all of these things that
you hear about now like white privilege for example they're they're they're
they're variants of
collective guilt i i i pick your bloody identity whatever it happens to be and
then i make you a guilty
member of that category and then you and the rest of the guilty members of that
category are judged as a
as a unit it's absolutely it's murderous pushed to its extreme and we've seen
that many many times yeah you're
oppressed or your your your opinions rather are suppressed and you are
automatically put into this
category of people who should be dismissed because of the fact that you have
white privilege you should
step back and let others talk you should step back and this is a narrative that
gets repeated over and
over again in the social justice warrior culture this idea that you should just
step back and let these
others talk because they understand as long yeah and the others are always
other group members right and
somehow their their discourse is to be privileged in reverse because hypothetically
they're a member of
an oppressed class right of course and you can multiply the numbers of
oppressed classes ad nauseam which
is another part of the problem yeah like the idea is that in in giving them
privilege because they have
been marginalized you will balance things out you will somehow another reverse
the scale yeah but and that's
another example of the class-based guilt idea you know it's um it doesn't seem
to me self-evident that i'm
to blame for slavery for example i mean being a canadian it's a slightly
different situation i suppose but
the the the idea that as the member as a member of a culture that you're
somehow responsible for the
past uh sins of that culture let's say it it it's a very very anti-western ethos
it goes along with
this idea of class guilt because your group membership is the most important
thing if your group at some
point in the past did something reprehensible which of course every group has
done that's for sure
then you're de facto responsible in the present for that how do you think we
got to this point where
people are repeating these patterns that were ultimately incredibly
unsuccessful and dangerous and
deadly in the past like marxism for example like people proudly proclaim
themselves as having marxist
ideology one in five one in five social scientists claims to be a marxist how
do they not understand
the history what why don't you fill people in on how that went bad well the
estimates vary but in the
soviet union between 1919 and 1959 somewhere between 30 and 50 million people
were killed in internal
oppression alone so that's pretty bad and then and then in china uh which which
was operating under exactly
the same principles might have been up to 100 million killed during mao's time
and of course mao is still
revered in china appallingly enough um and vietnam vietnam and cambodia and
wherever these ideas were
implemented cuba wherever these ideas were implemented the the result was
absolute mayhem absolute mayhem
and i think what happened is that the marxist ideas are actually quite
attractive if you're an
intellectual and if you're i would say if you're tilted towards compassion from
a personality perspective
because they're based on doctrines like from from each according to his ability
to each according to his
need and the idea that you should fulfill people's needs or that society should
fulfill people's needs
is on the surface of it an attractive idea of course the problem is who gets to
define the needs and who
gets to define the abilities and that really is a big problem and well and then
those ideas were put
into practice uh first in the soviet union and alexander solzhenitsyn who wrote
the gulag archipelago did a
very lovely job of detailing uh in in horrifying detail how those initial doctrines
were transformed into
legislation and then how those legislation was transformed into endless
genocide essentially
and and almost destroyed the world let's not forget that um partly with partly
with the help of castro who
who just died um the the the doctrines when when put into practice into into
into actual practice
were murderous instantaneously now what happened there were always apologists
for the left in the west
especially in france especially among the french intellectuals especially in
the late 1960s and then
when when all of the information about what was happening is in in the soviet
union came flooding
forward and that culminated say in 19 about 1973 when solzhenitsyn's book was
published the french
french intellectuals changed their tune instead of agitating on a part of the
working class which was
which allied them with uh murderous marxists they switched and and started to
talk about power
and and talk about group identity it was like a sleight o