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Watch the stand-up comedy video '"Striking Coaches Giving Grapplers False Confidence" (from Joe Rogan Experience #893)' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2017-01-09. Transcript available.

Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day I didn't see it I wish that
fighters appreciate the science of boxing more when GSP one of those fights
he trained with Freddie Roach and he came back with that fucking jab mm-hmm it
made waves but a lot of people didn't copy that well Arlovsky did first it was
like now let's just go boosh you know he's like holy man you know Amanda Nunez
boxing trainer is Howard Davis's son okay an American top team so she's I don't
know why people don't incorporate that that much I think this is so much to
learn you said there's three levels of striking pretty much in the UFC you know
we had a discussion last night when when the jiu-jitsu guy 170 came in you know
he
came in he was a great jiu-jitsu guy he wanted what's his name the guy that
triangle tail from the top Damien Maia Damien Maia that guy came in he won the
first couple matches jiu-jitsu then somebody told him he was a boxer yes and
he started getting lit up and now he's fucking back to just yeah
hit me once I'm gonna grab your leg and it's over
there you go
there you go
that could be Ronda hundred percent Ronda just said okay I'm gonna take a gear
off I'm gonna go to the Olympic wrestling facility wherever just focus on
wrestling still work on your striking goal with Dwayne Ludwig that would be
awesome or or Rafael Cordero mix it up you know I mean you got to change shit
up
now obviously but wrestling should be the focus when you see a Ronda Rousey
promo you
shouldn't see her hitting mitts you should see her shooting getting the clinch
double
leg takedown singles it should be wrestling every day twice a day for and to
think
about her camp her whole camp it's just a boxing gym this the her head coach is
a
boxing coach so they want her to be this boxer people sold her as the next Mike
Tyson so you have all that come and she was working girls remember I was on
board
Joe my damn her striking she's knocking bitches out then you saw the level it's
like the what the what's the level she's knocking them out at yeah but I think
the
media and a lot of people like dang she she's a knockout artist so you hear
those and her camps going your knockout artist you can strike with anyone right
and her coach like look that was always the case you remember when Gerald
fought
in the UFC it was always the case when Gerald does uh was he a black belt back
then or brown bow he was a brown belt really good jujitsu guy though but his
fucking striking coach had it him convinced that he was a Thai boxer he's
like you're gonna go out there and get a kick and I remember Eddie and I would
train watch him hit the bag and hit the mitts and stuff and I was like man
there
some scary guys in the UFC and he got a real scary one and Josh Thompson yeah
Josh Thompson was like yep none of that no no it wasn't didn't go down like
that
they didn't go no no what ended up happening no what ended up happening is
Gerald's jiu-jitsu is Gerald Streben as we're talking about his he was my first
student my first before 10th planet I was teaching jiu-jitsu to a guy named
Gerald Streben he was a blue belt at the time and I brought him up showed him
he got
really good at the twister really good at rubber guard rubber cute first meat
hook
rubber guard triangle and MMA history in the gladiator challenge show he was
kicking ass and then he fought John Silva in England in London and it was a
spectacular match Joe showed that fight to a Dana white Dana white game a shot
game
Josh Thompson boom right off the bat he started he started working Muay Thai
with
this this Muay Thai coach and it was six months he was training six months with
them right and he'd been doing and he wrestled in high school as well so he'd
been grappling uh total at that point Joey what are you breathing into the mic
no I'm
hearing some and it's an interesting point I was just thinking about this it's
the exact same thing it's when I'm when a striking like let's say I got um a
striker Muay Thai came in he'd been doing Muay Thai for ten years and he wanted
to learn the ground and he was doing MMA he's already fighting MMA comes up a
lot
I'm using my headset. I'm just like, what's going on? I hear it too. It's a
submarine, right?
But anyways, but anyways, so he was, and it's an interesting point. I was just
thinking about this.
It's the exact same thing. It's when, um, when a striking, like, let's say I
got, um, a striker, Muay Thai, came in.
He'd been doing Muay Thai for 10 years, and he wanted to learn the ground, and
he was doing MMA.
He's already fighting MMA. It comes up a lot. I'm going to show him jujitsu. I'm
going to be in his corner.
I'm not going to be telling him to take his ass down and work your fucking jujitsu.
Pull a guard. I'm like, you just, it's been six months. Let's relax.
But coaches always want that.
What I want to see is that dude win with his Muay Thai, and it gives me another
fight to get his jujitsu together.
The longer we avoid the jujitsu, in my eyes, the better. We got away with
another one.
Now we have another four or five months to work on the jujitsu.
But that's a good way of looking at it.
There's a lot of strikers out there. There's a lot of strikers, striking
coaches out there that'll take some grappler in, teach him striking for six
months, and then corner him in an MMA fight, and like, instruct him to stand
with this motherfucker.
Do you remember what he said?
And I got to pull the guy to the side and say, dude, don't listen to this guy.
You're not standing with this motherfucker.
Do you remember what he said?
You know how many times I had to say that to, like, my guys that go, don't
listen to this motherfucker.
Always.
You're taking this motherfucker to the ground.
Even Hodger Gracie came out to him.
I remember what he said. Do you remember what he said to him?
He's Bangkok ready.
Yes.
In six months, he said it was Bangkok ready. He's going to go out there.
So this is what ends up happening.
Luckily, but you know what? It was a good thing. It's a good thing because this
is what happened.
Is he had him so believing that he was Bangkok ready after six months of Muay
Thai that when he did the walkout on the UFC, he came out with full Muay Thai
shit.
Dude, with the Muay Thai headband, Muay Thai, a bicep bracelet, so whatever the
fuck they are.
Dude, full Muay Thai garb, dancing and doing the Muay Thai thing.
He was in the octagon and did, you know, he went around the octagon and blessed.
Doing this?
Yes, doing that.
Doing this?
And Josh Thompson's sitting there, and I talked to Josh Thompson since then.
Josh Thompson wrestled in high school, and he's a really good striker.
He was fucking up people off his back.
He was triangling people.
We knew all about Josh Thompson.
Gerald was not, you know, he was not in the best frame of mind for that fight.
You know what I mean?
Because Josh Thompson was a fucking killer back then.
He was a killer.
Well, he was in his prime back then.
That was Josh when he was one of the top five or six guys in the division
before the UFC.
Before the UFC got rid of the 155-pound division, it was him and Eve Edwards.
And Eve Edwards knocked him out.
That was like, Eve Edwards became the uncrowned king.
So this is what happened.
So luckily, and this is according to Josh Thompson.
Josh goes, dude, I was so worried about his stand-up based on the Muay Thai
ritual stuff.
Then when we saw the fight, my whole thing was how are we possibly-
Get his ass down.
No, no.
The whole thing was for sure Josh Thompson's not going to want to go to the
ground with Gerald.
That's where all his good shit is.
He's fucking people up in MMA.
All his fights up until the UFC was fucking people up with his jiu-jitsu.
So how are we going to get the fight to the ground?
We were thinking about pulling an elaborate, unorthodox guard pull.
How are we going to do it?
That's what I was thinking.
I go, because six months, I go, I know he thinks he's Bangkok ready.
That's six months, man.
Bangkok ready.
That's a great t-shirt.
So Josh takes him down.
And I'm sitting there thinking, what the fuck?
Thank you.
He takes Gerald down because he's so worried about his Muay Thai.
And Gerald, dude, right away throws up a hellfire with his guard.
He threw a lot of heat.
It was pretty badass to see.
But at the end of the day, first, he almost had him in an armbar.
Josh pulls out.
And then there's like a scramble on the ground.
Gerald goes for a leg lock because he finally pulls out of his guard.
And then Gerald was really good at leg locks.
And he went for a leg lock and then Josh Thompson hit him like in the back of
the head and knocked him out.
Josh is a killer.
Yeah, that was one of those going for leg locks is risky.
What started this all off?
People that those coaches that get these fucking people convinced that they're
a killer in one particular area.
You see it in every camp, though.
Because in every camp, especially if you have like a superstar camp.
And this is coming from my own personal experience.
You have a superstar wrestling coach, boxing coach, jiu-jitsu coach.
You know, you're spending your time with them.
They want to see you win with their shit.
With their shit.
Even when it's nice.
Even strength and conditioning coaches go, you see the way he tossed them off.
The W should be number fucking one.
It's nice when they win with some shit, of course.
Like, fuck, you showed me that shit.
That's always good.
But it's all about the goddamn W.
That's number fucking one.
That's why you got to have like a head coach.
You got to have a head coach that's not a striking coach, not a jiu-jitsu, like
a head coach.
Like a Matt Hume.
That's a head coach.
You know, like when he works with DJ, they do everything.
Yeah.
You know, they work on submissions together, spar together.
They work on all these different techniques.
And it's total technique and tactics oriented conversations and training
sessions.
How many Matt Humes are there, though, in the world?
There's like five.
If that.
But only one.
That's him.
If that.
Honestly, it's like in my mind, it's like he, if he's not number one, it's him
and Faraz Ahabi.
I count two that can do it all.
Yeah.
That really know the game in and out, can do a game plan from standing to
wrestling to grappling.
Yeah.
I mean, I think those, one guy might be better for you, one guy might be better
for the other.
But those are the top dogs.
There's two.
Because they're such wizards on the ground.
They're wizards.
And they can physically do it, too.
That's like a big part of it.
And plus, they know the transition.
Sometimes if you go to a pure jiu-jitsu guy, like, dude, this isn't going to
work.
If I commit both hands to this, I'm going to get blasts in the face.
Do you remember when George Grigel, like, he was a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu
back
when there was very few black belts, but then he became, he wanted to stand and
bang with
everybody.
And that was his thing.
Yeah.
Became his thing, standing and banging.
And that's, that happens so often.
It's, it's so crazy.
And it's so rare that a guy comes back and figures it out, like Damien Maia
house.
Damien Maia tried it that way for a while.
Yep.
He got sucked into it, and then he figured it out.
That's exactly what Rhonda should do.
They took it to the, what's that expression?
You go to the dance hall, what took you to there?
What's that expression?
I don't fucking know.
Yeah.
I know what you're trying to say.
And what happens is, a lot of early, I saw a lot of high-level jiu-jitsu guys
come
into the UFC, that their hands are men's amends.
Yeah.
They're like, it's like a three striking, and they never evolved to that.
Now, the fucking striking is evolving quick.
We get Jacare.
Quick, oh yeah.
Quick, you know.
It used to be that the only guys, the only black belts that got to the UFC were
like,
the guys that only dedicated their lives to jiu-jitsu.
They just started learning striking.
Like Peña Pano.
You could tell, like, holy shit, they're just trying to fucking get some kind
of clinch.
It's obvious.
But now, there's so many goddamn black belts in Brazil now, that it's not about,
it's all
about, you know, here's 100 black belts in the camp.
We're only going to take the best strikers, like the fierce ones.
You know, the days of pure jiu-jitsu guys coming out and looking like this,
they're long gone
now.
You can't get through the minor leagues with striking like that.
Well, in a way, your attitude is like, I got this.
I got this.
I got this.

"Striking Coaches Giving Grapplers False Confidence" (from Joe Rogan Experience #893)

Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day I didn't see it I wish that
fighters appreciate the science of boxing more when GSP one of those fights
he trained with Freddie Roach and he came back with that fucking jab mm-hmm it
made waves but a lot of people didn't copy that well Arlovsky did first it was
like now let's just go boosh you know he's like holy man you know Amanda Nunez
boxing trainer is Howard Davis's son okay an American top team so she's I don't
know why people don't incorporate that that much I think this is so much to
learn you said there's three levels of striking pretty much in the UFC you know
we had a discussion last night when when the jiu-jitsu guy 170 came in you know
he
came in he was a great jiu-jitsu guy he wanted what's his name the guy that
triangle tail from the top Damien Maia Damien Maia that guy came in he won the
first couple matches jiu-jitsu then somebody told him he was a boxer yes and
he started getting lit up and now he's fucking back to just yeah
hit me once I'm gonna grab your leg and it's over
there you go
there you go
that could be Ronda hundred percent Ronda just said okay I'm gonna take a gear
off I'm gonna go to the Olympic wrestling facility wherever just focus on
wrestling still work on your striking goal with Dwayne Ludwig that would be
awesome or or Rafael Cordero mix it up you know I mean you got to change shit
up
now obviously but wrestling should be the focus when you see a Ronda Rousey
promo you
shouldn't see her hitting mitts you should see her shooting getting the clinch
double
leg takedown singles it should be wrestling every day twice a day for and to
think
about her camp her whole camp it's just a boxing gym this the her head coach is
a
boxing coach so they want her to be this boxer people sold her as the next Mike
Tyson so you have all that come and she was working girls remember I was on
board
Joe my damn her striking she's knocking bitches out then you saw the level it's
like the what the what's the level she's knocking them out at yeah but I think
the
media and a lot of people like dang she she's a knockout artist so you hear
those and her camps going your knockout artist you can strike with anyone right
and her coach like look that was always the case you remember when Gerald
fought
in the UFC it was always the case when Gerald does uh was he a black belt back
then or brown bow he was a brown belt really good jujitsu guy though but his
fucking striking coach had it him convinced that he was a Thai boxer he's
like you're gonna go out there and get a kick and I remember Eddie and I would
train watch him hit the bag and hit the mitts and stuff and I was like man
there
some scary guys in the UFC and he got a real scary one and Josh Thompson yeah
Josh Thompson was like yep none of that no no it wasn't didn't go down like
that
they didn't go no no what ended up happening no what ended up happening is
Gerald's jiu-jitsu is Gerald Streben as we're talking about his he was my first
student my first before 10th planet I was teaching jiu-jitsu to a guy named
Gerald Streben he was a blue belt at the time and I brought him up showed him
he got
really good at the twister really good at rubber guard rubber cute first meat
hook
rubber guard triangle and MMA history in the gladiator challenge show he was
kicking ass and then he fought John Silva in England in London and it was a
spectacular match Joe showed that fight to a Dana white Dana white game a shot
game
Josh Thompson boom right off the bat he started he started working Muay Thai
with
this this Muay Thai coach and it was six months he was training six months with
them right and he'd been doing and he wrestled in high school as well so he'd
been grappling uh total at that point Joey what are you breathing into the mic
no I'm
hearing some and it's an interesting point I was just thinking about this it's
the exact same thing it's when I'm when a striking like let's say I got um a
striker Muay Thai came in he'd been doing Muay Thai for ten years and he wanted
to learn the ground and he was doing MMA he's already fighting MMA comes up a
lot
I'm using my headset. I'm just like, what's going on? I hear it too. It's a
submarine, right?
But anyways, but anyways, so he was, and it's an interesting point. I was just
thinking about this.
It's the exact same thing. It's when, um, when a striking, like, let's say I
got, um, a striker, Muay Thai, came in.
He'd been doing Muay Thai for 10 years, and he wanted to learn the ground, and
he was doing MMA.
He's already fighting MMA. It comes up a lot. I'm going to show him jujitsu. I'm
going to be in his corner.
I'm not going to be telling him to take his ass down and work your fucking jujitsu.
Pull a guard. I'm like, you just, it's been six months. Let's relax.
But coaches always want that.
What I want to see is that dude win with his Muay Thai, and it gives me another
fight to get his jujitsu together.
The longer we avoid the jujitsu, in my eyes, the better. We got away with
another one.
Now we have another four or five months to work on the jujitsu.
But that's a good way of looking at it.
There's a lot of strikers out there. There's a lot of strikers, striking
coaches out there that'll take some grappler in, teach him striking for six
months, and then corner him in an MMA fight, and like, instruct him to stand
with this motherfucker.
Do you remember what he said?
And I got to pull the guy to the side and say, dude, don't listen to this guy.
You're not standing with this motherfucker.
Do you remember what he said?
You know how many times I had to say that to, like, my guys that go, don't
listen to this motherfucker.
Always.
You're taking this motherfucker to the ground.
Even Hodger Gracie came out to him.
I remember what he said. Do you remember what he said to him?
He's Bangkok ready.
Yes.
In six months, he said it was Bangkok ready. He's going to go out there.
So this is what ends up happening.
Luckily, but you know what? It was a good thing. It's a good thing because this
is what happened.
Is he had him so believing that he was Bangkok ready after six months of Muay
Thai that when he did the walkout on the UFC, he came out with full Muay Thai
shit.
Dude, with the Muay Thai headband, Muay Thai, a bicep bracelet, so whatever the
fuck they are.
Dude, full Muay Thai garb, dancing and doing the Muay Thai thing.
He was in the octagon and did, you know, he went around the octagon and blessed.
Doing this?
Yes, doing that.
Doing this?
And Josh Thompson's sitting there, and I talked to Josh Thompson since then.
Josh Thompson wrestled in high school, and he's a really good striker.
He was fucking up people off his back.
He was triangling people.
We knew all about Josh Thompson.
Gerald was not, you know, he was not in the best frame of mind for that fight.
You know what I mean?
Because Josh Thompson was a fucking killer back then.
He was a killer.
Well, he was in his prime back then.
That was Josh when he was one of the top five or six guys in the division
before the UFC.
Before the UFC got rid of the 155-pound division, it was him and Eve Edwards.
And Eve Edwards knocked him out.
That was like, Eve Edwards became the uncrowned king.
So this is what happened.
So luckily, and this is according to Josh Thompson.
Josh goes, dude, I was so worried about his stand-up based on the Muay Thai
ritual stuff.
Then when we saw the fight, my whole thing was how are we possibly-
Get his ass down.
No, no.
The whole thing was for sure Josh Thompson's not going to want to go to the
ground with Gerald.
That's where all his good shit is.
He's fucking people up in MMA.
All his fights up until the UFC was fucking people up with his jiu-jitsu.
So how are we going to get the fight to the ground?
We were thinking about pulling an elaborate, unorthodox guard pull.
How are we going to do it?
That's what I was thinking.
I go, because six months, I go, I know he thinks he's Bangkok ready.
That's six months, man.
Bangkok ready.
That's a great t-shirt.
So Josh takes him down.
And I'm sitting there thinking, what the fuck?
Thank you.
He takes Gerald down because he's so worried about his Muay Thai.
And Gerald, dude, right away throws up a hellfire with his guard.
He threw a lot of heat.
It was pretty badass to see.
But at the end of the day, first, he almost had him in an armbar.
Josh pulls out.
And then there's like a scramble on the ground.
Gerald goes for a leg lock because he finally pulls out of his guard.
And then Gerald was really good at leg locks.
And he went for a leg lock and then Josh Thompson hit him like in the back of
the head and knocked him out.
Josh is a killer.
Yeah, that was one of those going for leg locks is risky.
What started this all off?
People that those coaches that get these fucking people convinced that they're
a killer in one particular area.
You see it in every camp, though.
Because in every camp, especially if you have like a superstar camp.
And this is coming from my own personal experience.
You have a superstar wrestling coach, boxing coach, jiu-jitsu coach.
You know, you're spending your time with them.
They want to see you win with their shit.
With their shit.
Even when it's nice.
Even strength and conditioning coaches go, you see the way he tossed them off.
The W should be number fucking one.
It's nice when they win with some shit, of course.
Like, fuck, you showed me that shit.
That's always good.
But it's all about the goddamn W.
That's number fucking one.
That's why you got to have like a head coach.
You got to have a head coach that's not a striking coach, not a jiu-jitsu, like
a head coach.
Like a Matt Hume.
That's a head coach.
You know, like when he works with DJ, they do everything.
Yeah.
You know, they work on submissions together, spar together.
They work on all these different techniques.
And it's total technique and tactics oriented conversations and training
sessions.
How many Matt Humes are there, though, in the world?
There's like five.
If that.
But only one.
That's him.
If that.
Honestly, it's like in my mind, it's like he, if he's not number one, it's him
and Faraz Ahabi.
I count two that can do it all.
Yeah.
That really know the game in and out, can do a game plan from standing to
wrestling to grappling.
Yeah.
I mean, I think those, one guy might be better for you, one guy might be better
for the other.
But those are the top dogs.
There's two.
Because they're such wizards on the ground.
They're wizards.
And they can physically do it, too.
That's like a big part of it.
And plus, they know the transition.
Sometimes if you go to a pure jiu-jitsu guy, like, dude, this isn't going to
work.
If I commit both hands to this, I'm going to get blasts in the face.
Do you remember when George Grigel, like, he was a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu
back
when there was very few black belts, but then he became, he wanted to stand and
bang with
everybody.
And that was his thing.
Yeah.
Became his thing, standing and banging.
And that's, that happens so often.
It's, it's so crazy.
And it's so rare that a guy comes back and figures it out, like Damien Maia
house.
Damien Maia tried it that way for a while.
Yep.
He got sucked into it, and then he figured it out.
That's exactly what Rhonda should do.
They took it to the, what's that expression?
You go to the dance hall, what took you to there?
What's that expression?
I don't fucking know.
Yeah.
I know what you're trying to say.
And what happens is, a lot of early, I saw a lot of high-level jiu-jitsu guys
come
into the UFC, that their hands are men's amends.
Yeah.
They're like, it's like a three striking, and they never evolved to that.
Now, the fucking striking is evolving quick.
We get Jacare.
Quick, oh yeah.
Quick, you know.
It used to be that the only guys, the only black belts that got to the UFC were
like,
the guys that only dedicated their lives to jiu-jitsu.
They just started learning striking.
Like Peña Pano.
You could tell, like, holy shit, they're just trying to fucking get som