Name: Joe Rogan & Philip DeFranco Discuss PewDiePie Controversy
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan & Philip DeFranco Discuss PewDiePie Controversy' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2017-02-25. Transcript available.

Hello Freak bitches, but to be more considerate or more kind
It's about calling people out on doing something wrong and stopping them
Do you think the intent matters more than the word hundred percent because I
feel like we saw that a lot with
There's a there's two big youtubers that were in the news or one was in the
news. There was a PewDiePie
Yeah, let's talk about that because I saw his response video and I kind of got
sickened
Oh, really by what's happening to him. Oh by what's happening. I thought you're
saying yeah, no his words
Well, he was he was crazy. It was crazy. The whole thing is insane
They're making it out like he's a Nazi right and he's not at all. No, but he
had made some
Some videos where he had told people to not be Nazis and right not until like
To don't you know, what was his exact words?
I know I don't want to miss everything is they it originally started with this
whole Fiverr video that he did and then Fiverr
Yeah
So it's like a website where you can get people to do thing for things
originally for five dollars now for more money
And so he went through the site it all started from this one video that got him
attention
He went to Fiverr and tried to get people to do ridiculous outrageous things.
Okay
Good guy dressed as Jesus to say something weird
He got these the main thing that blew up where these two guys they're like they're
in like a jungle setting of some sort
They dance they laugh they'll hold up a sign they'll say something and so
He was like it's gonna be hilarious because they're not gonna do it right. They're
gonna be like. Thank you, but no
But they actually made a video where the guys were laughing and dancing held up
a sign that said
death to all Jews and
And then said to subscribe to a youtube channel right the whole of a like
someone else not he asked them to say death to all Jews
So he wrote in as like a cuz in the same video
He gets all these people that are like I'm not gonna do the stupid ridiculous
thing that you said
But then they actually did it the the big reason I feel like they did it is
they didn't understand
What the words they were writing in the words they were saying. Oh, they're
from another country. Yeah, what country were they from?
I don't know I'd have to I'd have to double-check. Okay, so they just
essentially wrote down the symbols
They didn't really know how to even say the word and so it is so there it is.
Oh, yeah, and they're laughing
Yeah, and so I think this might be from his explanation video, but in the first
one, he's like
Why the fuck did they do it? How do I can I even include this?
and so then
That sent that got that got a little traction and then people started going
through his other videos and they're like
He's he's dressed up. He's watching Hitler in this one taken completely out of
context of him saying that
The YouTube heroes program which was a program where people can
Highlight videos or not highlight them but mark them down for deletion because
they're offensive right and so people were like oh that's censorship
That's you're talking about like
Obviously hyperbole it's like those are Nazis so he made that joke in that
relation and then there was one
I want to say if it was on the verge or
Wired but then they go even further and they're like he used Leslie Jones
picture
On Harambe taken completely out of context because he was using there's this
Microsoft AI bot like this chat bot and you'd say let me see
Harambe is Jesus and
Either the AI was messed up or people had manipulated it where was putting
Leslie Jones's face on it
And he was horrified by it and that was the whole joke
But they were saying that he he was doing it
So this is clear like you saw him use the software right saw the error if you
try and use the bot today a picture won't come up
because now they are aware that that's what was happening right and so they
took all these things and it was this like this crusade of
Look guys, we're looking at this bad guy. He's the biggest guy on YouTube. He's
the bad guy
We're gonna take him down so much taken out of context some things are not defensible
where I
Can't I can't say it in the sense of like you say that words don't have power
based on intent and I think there's a there's a lot of truth in that
Not saying words don't have power based on intent
I'm saying that words should just convey intent right and there are times where
a word
There's times where like you see a friend you go. What's up, bitch?
And you know you haven't been there and you're both laughing and you're being
silly and then there's times where you call someone a bitch right?
Because you think they're being mean yeah
I mean those two words exactly the same but one conveys a completely different
intent right but out of this it was
It was very obvious that they were trying to do this takedown thing and it blew
up entirely in their face
I think I saw it has it because I don't think most people are aware
I mean there was a Wall Street Journal article right right which was where it
where it got really weird because three people worked on this and they combed
through
Hundreds of hours yeah, I mean yes, and they found like instances of him
holding his arm out like this and they use that picture like there's a
I mean, that's that's weird. It's very weird and then and then once all that
came out that they were like well
Here's the thing about the context. He's just like Donald Trump
And it was it was an immediate jump to he's using the same tactics tactics as
Donald Trump, but it's it was just insane
No, he's very reasonable. He did a video response video about it and the way
handled it was very reasonable
And he explained what he was doing what's going on and you know
He's doing hundreds of hours of him playing video games and talking and being
silly
And if you comb through those and take these things again out of context and
try to make it look like he's a Nazi
That's a hit piece 100% and it's deceptive. It's not indicative of his overall
It's hard to call the body of work, but let's call it a body of work, right?
His overall body of performance that he's that's online whatever you want to
call it right his talking
It's it's not who he is so that for them to call him a Nazi and say that PewDiePie
has you know
Seven videos where he's done something about Nazis like people when they're
doing these long-form spitball
globalization videos like that and you're interacting with people you're gonna
say all kinds of shit that in the moment is
Legitimate right if you chop it up and edit it and splice them all together and
then make a five-minute montage of him saying Nazi
Like he's obsessed with Nazis and what kind of sucked from it was a
Lot of people think that oh there there are articles about the downfall of PewDiePie
I think he's gone up half a million if not more than a million in
Subscribers since all of this happened, right? So he's gotten all this new
support
He's a temporary face for a for free spree free speech and persecution for the
media
Didn't he lose some some a matter for him though?
So I mean it sucks more for the people that were working on that project. Well,
what was the project?
So it was scare PewDiePie season two. It was a YouTube red series
So they were I think they were about to go into production
And and so then that got cancelled so YouTube didn't want to fund that and I
said it he said it
He understands why they would have to separate because then it becomes a story
of YouTube and PewDiePie or YouTube and Disney support an
Anti-Semite right obviously he's not an anti-Semite so why would they back away?
I think because they were scared that the Wall Street Journal was like did you
see all of this?
We're gonna write this article. How did the Wall Street Journal let that slip
through that seems to me?
Very irresponsible many of them are standing by it though many people yes 100%
and that many are touting it as this victory because he lost
Google preferred ads on YouTube which I will say I don't know how how he was
still seen as family-friendly because I'm not family-friendly on my show
His past two years at the very least not family friendly and then dropped by
maker
He doesn't he doesn't need his his MCN his his company around him and the
YouTube Red series is nothing
He's still gonna make millions of dollars. He's grown
It's a good thing. I feel like it now if you if you have mainstream media try
and take a swing at you
It's some of the best promotion in the world
Okay, but why did they take a swing at him and why is anyone saying that they
took down a bad guy?
I think that it's it's a big thing of them trying to label up and it's once
once again
It's the problem with a lot of media is they're they're overextending right
they they all of a sudden start talking about this narrative about
alt-right and the rise of white supremacy again in this country and then they
look at this big guy and they're like
We can use him as an example. We can be the heroes that that exposed this that
do the takedown piece
And they're not and they're not and they're like so driven for that that they
then just they go
Oh, well, maybe that doesn't add up there. It's an argument, but we have the
power
We have the size of the audience. We're good and it just blew up in their face
So they were thinking they could get away with it even though it wasn't kosher.
I believe so. What is their response so far?
Do you know have you read anything about it as far as like?
fans or no Wall Street Journal
Post are they digging their heels in yeah, and then a lot of people started
trying to find as always a dirt
stuff dirt on like the the authors in the past one was like a
joke from 2015 because and and while part of me would go well
That's petty if the argument is that context doesn't matter then fine then then
look at these guys what they said a year ago
Look at what they're they're saying now look the writers who of the of the
article like I think Ben Fritz was one of the are the writers where he made a
I can't I never knew Jews were so good at frying joke from way back and then he
made another joke about
It was like a back-and-forth with someone where he said, you know
These racial jokes are so stupid and then someone said you know they hit
everyone and he said well
At least the black jokes are funny those ones those ones aren't funny
And so people were like well if if if context doesn't matter are you a scumbag
right?
And and then people just dismissed it as or a lot of mainstream people
dismissed it as like oh
That's that's not the same thing. How could anyone say context doesn't matter.
That's insane. That's insane. That is an insane thing to say
Is that literally what they said that context does not matter what was it?
It was one of the one of the people I'm gonna get the the problem is so many
people have written about it
Right there was one article that was promoted and it said all these are
articles or all these people defending Felix with but context
That's that's a bullshit argument and that's insane if you think that that's
absolutely insane
So everything exists in a highly edited bubble dope
So let's ruin everyone's career if you're talking about a mathematician
discussing algorithms. Yes
Context doesn't really mean that much because he's talking about numbers, but
we're not talking about numbers talking about words
Yeah, we're talking about the way people express themselves and we're talking
about someone who is generally considered to be humorous
I mean PewDiePie a lot of his stuff is playful and humorous
So if you're humorous and you're playing around and you say something that
might be I don't even want to use the appropriate
It might be the thing for him to say in that moment to try to be entertaining
Right that does not mean he's a Nazi right and to label him like that is
Incredibly irresponsible and it's it's really I mean
I'm not a lawyer, but I would sue the fuck out of him, right if I was him
I would sue the fuck out of them for sure
Yeah, because what they're doing is misrepresenting who he is as a human being
and
Even if it's beneficial in the long run, it's super dangerous to set that
precedent
Well, especially something in this in this climate where you say this is what
he supports and it 100% isn't
How do you know someone doesn't just see those articles doesn't see his defense
and tries to kill the guy?
But why would the Wall Street Journal do something like this wait to jump back
to what you were saying about mainstream?
Do they have any go back to that PewDiePie guy? Yeah, and you're I get scared
when everyone talks about stuff in generalities
Right when I talk about and I'm guilty of it too when I talk about like all
mainstream media
It's not everyone you know, right?
But there are I stopped doing interviews with mainstream outlets several years
ago because they made everything about like
I would talk about all the the really cool ventures that we're going into how
our space is changing things up and it would always be turned into
One comment that maybe was somewhat critical of let's say like a studio
Right all become about that or all become about like the money and
And and I was like you're just fucking manipulating what I'm saying. I don't
want to deal with this
Yeah, and and so the point has become
When in the Wall Street Journal knocks on Felix's door after they they didn't
apparently approach him for the original story
And they're like hey, we want to give you a platform to tell your story. It's
like fuck you
Is that what they're doing now? Yeah, but after the story broke and there were
all these people that came to his defense
They they came to him now. I'm not gonna that's what I think that's what a
journalist should do right talk to the fucking man
So I would assume that they would not be after different journalists. Well, so
I think from what Felix
Wrote it was the Wall Street Journal. They left their cards, and that's how he
knew it was 100% them
But why but that's not what I mean what I mean is different journalists from
the Wall Street Journal not the same
Maybe I don't know if it was the same ones
Hey, we're super sorry we called you a Nazi in front of millions of people and
we were totally lying
Yeah, but the argument all of a sudden is that why why should he do an
interview with the Wall Street Journal?
Maybe because they have a different audience, but he has a his own larger
platform where he controls the narrative
He's not gonna be selectively and right, but he's not speaking to the people
that the Wall Street Journal
Disparaged him in front of but I would assume that they're also covering their
ass by going to him and reaching out and giving him a platform
They can say well we gave him a chance to respond when the facts remain he did
say those things and they are valid
I think if I think if he was confident enough
He should probably do what I've seen Milo Yiannopoulos do in the past where he
had someone film at the same time
So if they did misrepresent him in some manner, but that doesn't matter
It doesn't matter because they've already done it. They've already misrepresented
him in the article if they if he has someone film his response that no
I mean, I mean just if he did something with them, right if I did film
something
I understand what you're saying
I think just so you can show but I'm saying it doesn't matter because they've
already done the damage the damaging thing
Like how many people who read the first thing are even gonna read the second
thing, right?
It might even be 30% so that's 70% people and how many people just read the
Wall Street Journal and maybe a local paper and
Aren't online and aren't hearing all these responses and they go up you know,
they catch their son
Oh, what are you watching? I'm watching PewDiePie. Oh, you're watching that
Nazi? That guy's a Nazi. No, he's not dad
You hate everything I like
And now that kid's doing meth for the rest of his life. Mmm. I don't know about
that. No, I uh
I think that it is sad, right? That's that's a huge problem with with a lot of
the fake news or just news
That's false is the the crazy salacious shit. Yeah, if you then look at the
correction half the time that gets like 20 times the shares
You know why cuz it's fucking insane. It's like did you see this?
Did you see this thing and it's something that I've been critical of
People I like in the industry critical of a lot of the mainstream guys that I
don't like it
And it sucks because there's not there's not a clear answer
Do you delete the false thing and then it looks like you're hiding that
information?
Do you do you well you should definitely delete the false thing?
But so if you that's my argument
But then there's there's an argument that you you leave it up because you show
that you were wrong if it's on Twitter
You quote tweet it, but that's still that still doesn't fix it because
As much as we talk about bubbles and separation that tweet that promotion of a
thing is separate from everything else in the world
Tweets are problematic anyway because it's 140 characters and it's very
difficult to adequately explain some subjects in 140 characters
But if you put out some information that's not true like this PewDiePie thing,
right you you
Absolutely should print a retraction and you absolutely if you have it still up
on your website
The first thing you should say is this is all taken out of context and it's
incorrect
And it's not does not represent who this guy is and you should absolutely not
have those writers do that again, right?
I mean whether you fire them or whether you
Who knows what they were asked to do?
This is another part of the problem is it was this an independent thing that
they decided to pursue on their own did someone ask them to do it?
Was there someone who decided that this guy was a Nazi because that maybe they
tuned in at the very moment?
He was doing something right and they're like make me and some people obviously
are very very sensitive to that kind of stuff
So I think that's why it's important especially on an editorial team of some
sort to have people with with mixed opinions
Because it's very easy to all of a sudden get railroaded behind of an idea of
just like yeah look at these look at these
Seven specific things we're not gonna say that it's out of context, but look at
this information
We got this guy we got we got this guy dead to rights, but it's it's all flimsy
Well, again context right as soon as you I mean that is part of the problem
with doing something like you do
It's certainly part of the problem with a podcast is if you're talking for
three hours and
You take these little snippets of those three hours out of context it paints a
completely distorted perception of who the person is
but
That's also a problem with language in general
I mean it really is a problem with and it's certainly a problem with words
And that's one of the problems with these quote magic words like that
You're not supposed to say anymore whatever those words are
You know there you you you give the weight give so much weight to these words
that
Just taken alone on their own they can get you in trouble just saying uttering
the phrase as if it was a magic
Abracadabra I think it's you in trouble
I think it's important that we we stop trying to got it rhymes and it's not on
purpose
We have to stop just blindly hating and we try and educate right I think that
don't blindly hate
educate
It's an after-school special story Philly D. Oh God that sounds like straight-up
something from the 90s
You're on a skateboard you pull up. Don't hate educate. Yeah, but I mean
you

Joe Rogan & Philip DeFranco Discuss PewDiePie Controversy

Hello Freak bitches, but to be more considerate or more kind
It's about calling people out on doing something wrong and stopping them
Do you think the intent matters more than the word hundred percent because I
feel like we saw that a lot with
There's a there's two big youtubers that were in the news or one was in the
news. There was a PewDiePie
Yeah, let's talk about that because I saw his response video and I kind of got
sickened
Oh, really by what's happening to him. Oh by what's happening. I thought you're
saying yeah, no his words
Well, he was he was crazy. It was crazy. The whole thing is insane
They're making it out like he's a Nazi right and he's not at all. No, but he
had made some
Some videos where he had told people to not be Nazis and right not until like
To don't you know, what was his exact words?
I know I don't want to miss everything is they it originally started with this
whole Fiverr video that he did and then Fiverr
Yeah
So it's like a website where you can get people to do thing for things
originally for five dollars now for more money
And so he went through the site it all started from this one video that got him
attention
He went to Fiverr and tried to get people to do ridiculous outrageous things.
Okay
Good guy dressed as Jesus to say something weird
He got these the main thing that blew up where these two guys they're like they're
in like a jungle setting of some sort
They dance they laugh they'll hold up a sign they'll say something and so
He was like it's gonna be hilarious because they're not gonna do it right. They're
gonna be like. Thank you, but no
But they actually made a video where the guys were laughing and dancing held up
a sign that said
death to all Jews and
And then said to subscribe to a youtube channel right the whole of a like
someone else not he asked them to say death to all Jews
So he wrote in as like a cuz in the same video
He gets all these people that are like I'm not gonna do the stupid ridiculous
thing that you said
But then they actually did it the the big reason I feel like they did it is
they didn't understand
What the words they were writing in the words they were saying. Oh, they're
from another country. Yeah, what country were they from?
I don't know I'd have to I'd have to double-check. Okay, so they just
essentially wrote down the symbols
They didn't really know how to even say the word and so it is so there it is.
Oh, yeah, and they're laughing
Yeah, and so I think this might be from his explanation video, but in the first
one, he's like
Why the fuck did they do it? How do I can I even include this?
and so then
That sent that got that got a little traction and then people started going
through his other videos and they're like
He's he's dressed up. He's watching Hitler in this one taken completely out of
context of him saying that
The YouTube heroes program which was a program where people can
Highlight videos or not highlight them but mark them down for deletion because
they're offensive right and so people were like oh that's censorship
That's you're talking about like
Obviously hyperbole it's like those are Nazis so he made that joke in that
relation and then there was one
I want to say if it was on the verge or
Wired but then they go even further and they're like he used Leslie Jones
picture
On Harambe taken completely out of context because he was using there's this
Microsoft AI bot like this chat bot and you'd say let me see
Harambe is Jesus and
Either the AI was messed up or people had manipulated it where was putting
Leslie Jones's face on it
And he was horrified by it and that was the whole joke
But they were saying that he he was doing it
So this is clear like you saw him use the software right saw the error if you
try and use the bot today a picture won't come up
because now they are aware that that's what was happening right and so they
took all these things and it was this like this crusade of
Look guys, we're looking at this bad guy. He's the biggest guy on YouTube. He's
the bad guy
We're gonna take him down so much taken out of context some things are not defensible
where I
Can't I can't say it in the sense of like you say that words don't have power
based on intent and I think there's a there's a lot of truth in that
Not saying words don't have power based on intent
I'm saying that words should just convey intent right and there are times where
a word
There's times where like you see a friend you go. What's up, bitch?
And you know you haven't been there and you're both laughing and you're being
silly and then there's times where you call someone a bitch right?
Because you think they're being mean yeah
I mean those two words exactly the same but one conveys a completely different
intent right but out of this it was
It was very obvious that they were trying to do this takedown thing and it blew
up entirely in their face
I think I saw it has it because I don't think most people are aware
I mean there was a Wall Street Journal article right right which was where it
where it got really weird because three people worked on this and they combed
through
Hundreds of hours yeah, I mean yes, and they found like instances of him
holding his arm out like this and they use that picture like there's a
I mean, that's that's weird. It's very weird and then and then once all that
came out that they were like well
Here's the thing about the context. He's just like Donald Trump
And it was it was an immediate jump to he's using the same tactics tactics as
Donald Trump, but it's it was just insane
No, he's very reasonable. He did a video response video about it and the way
handled it was very reasonable
And he explained what he was doing what's going on and you know
He's doing hundreds of hours of him playing video games and talking and being
silly
And if you comb through those and take these things again out of context and
try to make it look like he's a Nazi
That's a hit piece 100% and it's deceptive. It's not indicative of his overall
It's hard to call the body of work, but let's call it a body of work, right?
His overall body of performance that he's that's online whatever you want to
call it right his talking
It's it's not who he is so that for them to call him a Nazi and say that PewDiePie
has you know
Seven videos where he's done something about Nazis like people when they're
doing these long-form spitball
globalization videos like that and you're interacting with people you're gonna
say all kinds of shit that in the moment is
Legitimate right if you chop it up and edit it and splice them all together and
then make a five-minute montage of him saying Nazi
Like he's obsessed with Nazis and what kind of sucked from it was a
Lot of people think that oh there there are articles about the downfall of PewDiePie
I think he's gone up half a million if not more than a million in
Subscribers since all of this happened, right? So he's gotten all this new
support
He's a temporary face for a for free spree free speech and persecution for the
media
Didn't he lose some some a matter for him though?
So I mean it sucks more for the people that were working on that project. Well,
what was the project?
So it was scare PewDiePie season two. It was a YouTube red series
So they were I think they were about to go into production
And and so then that got cancelled so YouTube didn't want to fund that and I
said it he said it
He understands why they would have to separate because then it becomes a story
of YouTube and PewDiePie or YouTube and Disney support an
Anti-Semite right obviously he's not an anti-Semite so why would they back away?
I think because they were scared that the Wall Street Journal was like did you
see all of this?
We're gonna write this article. How did the Wall Street Journal let that slip
through that seems to me?
Very irresponsible many of them are standing by it though many people yes 100%
and that many are touting it as this victory because he lost
Google preferred ads on YouTube which I will say I don't know how how he was
still seen as family-friendly because I'm not family-friendly on my show
His past two years at the very least not family friendly and then dropped by
maker
He doesn't he doesn't need his his MCN his his company around him and the
YouTube Red series is nothing
He's still gonna make millions of dollars. He's grown
It's a good thing. I feel like it now if you if you have mainstream media try
and take a swing at you
It's some of the best promotion in the world
Okay, but why did they take a swing at him and why is anyone saying that they
took down a bad guy?
I think that it's it's a big thing of them trying to label up and it's once
once again
It's the problem with a lot of media is they're they're overextending right
they they all of a sudden start talking about this narrative about
alt-right and the rise of white supremacy again in this country and then they
look at this big guy and they're like
We can use him as an example. We can be the heroes that that exposed this that
do the takedown piece
And they're not and they're not and they're like so driven for that that they
then just they go
Oh, well, maybe that doesn't add up there. It's an argument, but we have the
power
We have the size of the audience. We're good and it just blew up in their face
So they were thinking they could get away with it even though it wasn't kosher.
I believe so. What is their response so far?
Do you know have you read anything about it as far as like?
fans or no Wall Street Journal
Post are they digging their heels in yeah, and then a lot of people started
trying to find as always a dirt
stuff dirt on like the the authors in the past one was like a
joke from 2015 because and and while part of me would go well
That's petty if the argument is that context doesn't matter then fine then then
look at these guys what they said a year ago
Look at what they're they're saying now look the writers who of the of the
article like I think Ben Fritz was one of the are the writers where he made a
I can't I never knew Jews were so good at frying joke from way back and then he
made another joke about
It was like a back-and-forth with someone where he said, you know
These racial jokes are so stupid and then someone said you know they hit
everyone and he said well
At least the black jokes are funny those ones those ones aren't funny
And so people were like well if if if context doesn't matter are you a scumbag
right?
And and then people just dismissed it as or a lot of mainstream people
dismissed it as like oh
That's that's not the same thing. How could anyone say context doesn't matter.
That's insane. That's insane. That is an insane thing to say
Is that literally what they said that context does not matter what was it?
It was one of the one of the people I'm gonna get the the problem is so many
people have written about it
Right there was one article that was promoted and it said all these are
articles or all these people defending Felix with but context
That's that's a bullshit argument and that's insane if you think that that's
absolutely insane
So everything exists in a highly edited bubble dope
So let's ruin everyone's career if you're talking about a mathematician
discussing algorithms. Yes
Context doesn't really mean that much because he's talking about numbers, but
we're not talking about numbers talking about words
Yeah, we're talking about the way people express themselves and we're talking
about someone who is generally considered to be humorous
I mean PewDiePie a lot of his stuff is playful and humorous
So if you're humorous and you're playing around and you say something that
might be I don't even want to use the appropriate
It might be the thing for him to say in that moment to try to be entertaining
Right that does not mean he's a Nazi right and to label him like that is
Incredibly irresponsible and it's it's really I mean
I'm not a lawyer, but I would sue the fuck out of him, right if I was him
I would sue the fuck out o