Name: Joe Rogan Experience #942 - Dan Flores
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #942 - Dan Flores' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2017-04-06. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #942 - Dan Flores

three two boom we're live how are you sir i'm very good joe it's good to meet
you man great
to meet you and thank you very much for doing this i've learned more about coyotes
over the
last couple of months reading your book and listening to your podcast with my
good friend
steve ranello which was amazing whoo what a crazy animal that is you know i
have coyotes all around
my neighborhood and uh it became a very um very close to me when i saw one of
my chickens get
captured by a coyote and i watched him hop the fence with a chicken in his
mouth like god damn
these motherfuckers and just all around us especially i live in a fairly rural
area around
here um about uh 40 minutes outside of la so it's you know the nights are quiet
and you hear them
screaming in the night and i didn't know much about them until i started
reading your book man
yeah they're amazing animal i mean i think uh there's not really another mammal
aside from us
that has a biography like these animals do and that's kind of one of the
reasons i got fascinated
with them they were doing the same thing around me when i was a kid growing up
in louisiana i mean
that's sort of the beginning of my uh my getting captivated by these little
small wolves because
they were suddenly showing up in the bayous and swamps of louisiana when i was
12 13 14 years old
and as far as i knew this was an animal that was supposed to be in the deserts
of
the west and so that seemed to be something that you know commanded uh one's
attention
that this critter is is appearing in places where you would never expect it uh
and now of course
everybody in the country is dealing with them that is so fascinating that in
our lifetime they have
spread from the american southwest to every single state and literally every
single city in the country
yeah that's true and i just got a uh somebody sent me this uh yesterday that
somewhere in georgia
they have some sort of a bounty on these wolves uh you know coyotes that's one
thing a lot of
people don't realize that a coyote is a wolf yeah it's a it's a separate
species from gray wolves and
red wolves but it's out of the north american wolf line uh i mean coyotes are
distinctively north american
animals they come out of canid evolution that began here 5.3 million years ago
so um yeah they're
they're small wolves did i send you this jamie no you found it oh beautiful
this is the georgia coyote
challenge apparently they're offering some sort of bounty for each coyote
killed now what's fascinating
about this and one of the things that i learned from your book is that when a
coyote yells when they're
doing their call in the night they're essentially making roll call and when one
of them doesn't
respond the female generates more pups yeah it's uh it's one of the you know
one of the many things
that's probably happening when they're when they're howling i mean they are
taking a census basically of
of coyote populations in the area and the result of of that census uh can very
well be it produces
some sort of uh chemical or metabolic change in in the females the breeding
females the alpha ones
they end up oftentimes having larger litters of pups which is why something
like this you know i was just
in south carolina two weeks ago and there was a lot of conversation about this
this georgia bounty
because in south carolina it's another place where coyotes are are fairly new
they've only been
there in the last 20 or 25 years they were arguing that you know and they had
some pretty good science
that coyotes are taking you know in some areas as many as 60 percent of the
white tail deer fawns and so
the hunters are screaming long and loud about this because it means it's
getting harder to take a white tail
so south carolina hasn't moved to the step that georgia has of trying to impose
some kind of bounty and
encourage people to go out and shoot these animals uh to take them in any way
they can but mostly shoot them
but you know i think these states in the south and in the east have a lot to
learn by the western or
from the western experience because the truth is we've been trying to eradicate
and i mean
totally exterminate coyotes in the american west we spent the years from about
1915 through about 1972
in an all-out war attempting to exterminate them and the only result of that as
a result of their
particular kinds of adaptations and their evolution in north america is that we
spread them across the
entire country we not only spread them across the entire country i mean they're
in every state they
colonized their 49th state delaware in 2010 so the only state they're not in is
hawaii just because
they haven't stowed away and made it across the pacific yet and uh you know i
mean if they do you can
imagine those endangered naneys on the big island are totally done for but they
are not only in every
single state in the union except for hawaii but they are 7 000 miles now north
and south in north america
from above the arctic circle all the way down to central america and beginning
to colonize into
south america so the attempts to exterminate them i mean and i can explain how
this why this happens
has to do with their evolution and the particular adaptations they have but the
attempts to exterminate
them or even to try to control their numbers almost always produces exactly the
opposite effect so
georgia is going to end up with more coyotes than they've ever had before in
their efforts to try to
suppress their population isn't that fascinating yeah it is it's so contrary to
logic what you would
think would be the solution for something like that i mean and when you go back
to the american west
before the reintroduction of wolves in into yellowstone in the 1990s we had
essentially extirpated
them from a vast majority of the united states there's very very few left right
that's true and the
well if you could please explain the relationship that the gray wolves had to
the coyotes which is one
of the reasons that the coyotes became so adaptable it's true i mean they didn't
coyotes didn't become
so smart you know in the southwest the hispanics say the only thing that's
smarter than a coyote is god
but they didn't become that smart and that adept at surviving anything almost
that happens to them
because of us i mean we've only been trying to wipe them out or control their
populations for a little
more than a century now and that's too short a time for them to evolve these
abilities to to adapt and
survive they they evolved those abilities because they were the small dog in a
big dog's world and i
mean gray wolves have this very interesting story too gray wolves come out of
north american canid
evolution but they're one of the canid species that ended up leaving north america
for a time and evolving
for a couple of million years in asia and in europe and they didn't come back
uh gray wolves didn't start
coming back to north america until about 25 or 30 000 years ago during sort of
the height of the late
plasticine and when they did coyotes of course had been here and had evolved
into their present species
about 800 000 to a million years ago and when gray wolves returned i mean they
basically just started
kicking the crap out of coyotes and so coyotes evolved their ability to survive
being harassed and persecuted
as a result of of being basically harassed by gray wolves so this is why when
you hear about the coy wolf
that you hear on the east coast this is a coyote that bred with the red wolf
and and other eastern wolves
that's right that's correct yeah and that's i mean it's a very interesting
story and it's kind of one
of those instances where a modern event that we're all getting to witness the
emergence of the coy wolf
has its origins in the evolution of mammals in north america a million years or
more
because the reason i mean if you think about this the reason coyotes red wolves
and other eastern wolves
like the algonquin wolf in eastern canada and and northern new england the
reason those animals can
all hybridize and readily do i mean they there are no behavioral barriers at
all to them breeding with one
another and so whenever a coyote shows up and it's in the vicinity of an algonquin
wolf say a female that
comes into heat i mean she'll readily pick a coyote as a mate but the reason
they do that is because
those animals red wolves eastern wolves of various kinds and coyotes all seem
to have come out of a
group of animals that unlike the gray wolf never left north america and they
probably didn't separate
from one another until 300 000 to a half million years ago so that separation
is recent enough that
whenever they encounter one enough with one another today they very readily
hybridize i mean it's sort of
the result of coyote spreading across the south has essentially kind of killed
our hope that we were
going to save the endangered red wolf as an independent species because red
wolves so quickly and easily
hybridized with coyotes that coyote genes swamp pure red wolf genes so i mean
that's something that
you know is millions of years or hundreds of thousands of years old in
evolution but we're
getting to see it play out right around us in our own time and meanwhile gray
wolves and coyotes in the
west aren't hybridizing at all and so that's the explanation is that gray
wolves left and didn't
come back until why they left well they they just they happen to be in
evolutionary terms one of the
groups and jackals did the same thing that they ended up leaving north america
and in their absence while
they were in another part of the world they evolved into the present subspecies
we've got four
subspecies of gray wolves in north america all of which seem to have come back
to north america by the
way at different times so they had sort of separate migrations back to north
america so the mexican gray wolf
uh the the western gray wolf the arctic wolf these are all gray wolf species
but they're separated at
the subspecific level and they all seem to have come back to north america at
different times
but they they had left north america like about three and a half million years
ago and so they became
different animals in asia and europe by the time they came back then they were
different enough from
coyotes that they not only couldn't interbreed with them anymore but they sort
of are mortal enemies
of one another i mean when we reintroduced gray wolves to yellowstone in 1995
coyotes had had 75 years in
yellowstone without any wolves i mean that served as a wonderful laboratory to
study them too because it
gave us a sense of what happens with coyotes when nobody is harassing them when
people aren't harassing
them which of course we didn't in yellowstone park and when wolves aren't
harassing them either and
what we realize is that they create these really stable territories they create
very stable packs and
their population rises to a particular point the carrying capacity of the
landscape based on what they eat
which is mostly rodents and rabbits and things and and some fruit and and
berries but it doesn't they
don't their population sort of levels off and stays at a carrying capacity and
so we got to watch that
happen in yellowstone for like 75 years and it's become sort of the the example
of
what would happen if we just left them alone i mean some people think well if
we don't try to control
them hell they're gonna you know they're just gonna be millions upon millions
of them running everywhere
but that's actually they only do that when you try to persecute them and they
go into this colonization
mode and generate more and more and more pups and have more and more pups
survive so yellowstone in that
period from 1925 to 1995 was this sort of model of what happens when you just
leave them the hell alone
and they just kind of rise to a particular population level and are really
stable at that level and uh and
don't really go beyond it and they don't expand their territory that way either
no they don't seem to i
mean one of the t