Name: Joe Rogan Experience #968 - Kelly Brogan
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #968 - Kelly Brogan' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2017-06-01. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #968 - Kelly Brogan

boom we're live that's it just like that so thank you for doing this welcome
what's going on total
pleasure nothing happy to be in la are you i am always new york's good right
now though right
it's good it's like june-ish it's like an addictive relationship but most of us
would
rather be in california new york is yeah yeah yeah it's um you're a
psychiatrist i am um
i would think that there is ample work in new york just the environment that
new york provides
people stacked on top of each other like that beep beep hong kong fuck you all
that like i would
assume all that stress leads to a lot of people with uh absolutely it's like if
you're a fisherman
you want to live near a river right right and it's fetishized in new york too
to have a psychiatrist
it's sort of almost expected that you do so not only is there like ample supply
and demand but then
it's you know it's a thing to talk about yeah yeah what what's that about can
you explain that
i think it's like you know woody allen level right like sort of embracing your
shadow and and there's
something refreshing about it because we don't pretend to be okay i mean we're
deeply not okay in new york
chronically well is someone okay like in general anywhere is there a spot like
oh yeah seattle
they've got it nailed i mean there's this term actually in the medical
literature believe it or
not called paleo deficit disorder and it just refers to like how far have you
strayed from the
path in your lifestyle like basic stuff green space movement you know sleep and
i would imagine that if
you have more of those components intact you're probably a bit more okay than
if you're living
you know right in you know midtown manhattan like seattle in the summer to me
is a really good
place because it's so green and it's so pretty and the ocean's right there so
you're getting some good
air and then you're getting sun because it's the summer so you don't have that
seasonal depression
thing that goes on i mean i imagine they're doing better they're doing better
this summer you never
i've heard it's like crazy beautiful yeah it's awesome it's awesome but those
winters they get
to you after the 30th day of rain you're like come on this is stupid like how
much water do you need
i'm like a big big winter complainer and i have been my whole life so i
complained
10 months of the year of what it's like to live in the northeast but recently i've
been playing around
with the idea that there's actually something cool about like a you know sort
of cyclical living
it's almost just like if you embrace it then there's something just like
everything's dead and
miserable for a period of time and then it blooms and then you get to
experience like this
rebirth and then it you know flourishes and then it dies again that there's
another perspective on that
actually being i don't know like if you work with it it's sort of like a woman
who's on birth control
has no idea that there's any point to you know a cycle of energy over the
course of the month right
and she sort of thinks is that that's annoying but there's a way you can wrap
your mind around it where
you work okay so like if you're on birth control you have no menstrual cycle
right right so you're just
like you're like a man you're like a flat line the whole month but there's
actually something really
empowering if you understand how to work with your energy shifts because
naturally like a woman's
natural man i know this is really what you want to be talking about i do i don't
i mean it's alien
to me so i do want to hear it so like i figured this out i'm 39 i was on birth
control for 12 years
so i never knew what it was what it meant to have like a menstrual cycle until
very recently because
then i had two kids breastfeeding so a couple decades into my life i'm just
figuring this out
but you have like totally different kinds of energy over the course of the
month and you have to know
how to work with that so there's a kind of energy that you know you want to go
out and socialize or you
want to stay in and work or you want to sleep more or less and if you don't
know how to ride that then
you could be sort of taken off guard by it but if you know how to work with it
it's so much more powerful
than just having this like artificial hijacking of your endocrine system that's
interesting so
there's like some sort of analogy to be drawn between the cycles of nature and
the cycles of
your body month to month yeah huh i would have never considered that i never
even thought about it
but i have thought about birth control before about how crazy it is that you
give a woman a hormone that
convinces her body that she's perpetually pregnant and that a giant percentage
of women are on it for
convenience or even for other medical issues like skin issues right exactly
exactly yeah i mean when
i i've always been a feminist right so even when i was younger and very much
asleep i identified as a
feminist and i was one of those people who thought that birth control was like
a female entitlement like
how dare you not make this free and widely available but as i began to research
more about it and more
about how it's in many ways like the ultimate you know not to sound too
inflammatory but the ultimate
tool for oppression of you know the modern woman now i find it incredible that
we you know that we're
still taking it because it seems like a good idea right who wants to deal with
your annoying menstrual
cycle who wants to get pregnant who wants to have endometriosis or polycystic
ovary you know who
wants to have acne or like hair growing in weird places but it's the magic pill
illusion there's no
free lunch there's never going to be something that just fixes it for you and
you just waltz off into
the sunset there's always a cost and the cost is so much more vast like ranging
from literally death
all the way to just like subtle alterations in your personality and like the
fear moans you secrete you know and
there there was just a million woman study um in scandinavia that showed about
the vast increase in
antidepressant prescribing for teenagers who are prescribed birth control so it's
the beginning of
sort of it's like a gateway drug sometimes for psych meds too i heard i had a
friend who one of his good
friends his daughter died from some complications with taking birth control
pills and smoking cigarettes yes
pulmonary embolism probably that smoking cigarettes apparently along with the
birth control pills are
extremely dangerous but so many do it of course and you don't even have to have
that additional risk
factor you know because birth control whether it's the pill or something called
the nuva ring
by itself has that you know i'm contacted often by parents of girls who have
died from pulmonary embolism
who've now become like activists in this realm it's because of birth control
pills yeah yeah no it's like a
known mechanism and it's a known risk factor like i think that's not being
suppressed or hidden it's
just that we are sort of entrained to dismiss the risks as we attach to the
promise so we sort of like
collude in ignoring that potential you know that's so interesting because most
people when they think
about the birth control pill they think about it as something that liberated
women because they can
control whether or not they got pregnant and they were allowed for the first
time to have careers and do
whatever they wanted to because they didn't have to worry about being trapped
that's right right that's
the story but that's the biological free lunch thing right there's isn't there
also a lot of issues
chris ryan was on here dr chris ryan the author of sex at dawn he was on here
and he was talking about
how women can like if you smell the clothes of other men you can literally tell
the men that you are
attracted to you would be biologically compatible with those men and that when
they did these same
studies on women who were on the birth control pill they couldn't smell the
difference that's right
it's called the t-shirt study yeah how does that work could you explain that
well essentially the the
premise of pharmaceutical medicine is that you can just pull like one little
thread of the spider web
and leave the rest of it intact everything else is going to be fine we're only
working on this one
area so with birth control for example the idea is we're just you know taking
over the management of
your sex hormones but the rest of your body is going to be totally unaffected
and of course as we learn
more about how all of these systems are totally and inextricably interconnected
we have a better
understanding of how you know when you interfere with sex hormones you also
potentially have other
effects including raising things called binding globulins including
inflammatory response you're
depleting a number of nutrients and we're having you know it's possible that we
we haven't even begun
to look through the keyhole of the effects on brain and you know sort of neuropeptides
in these arenas
where we don't have any idea what hormonal secretion is about like we just have
to defer to the probability
that our bodies are more complex than we've right like begun to understand so
your biology is meant to
guide you it's meant to empower you and it's meant to you know create a sense
of vitality if you can inhabit your
body and be in a truce with it that's part of the problem with the mindset of
birth control is i'm
just gonna you know take this over i'm gonna manage this and so who knows maybe
even it's a top-down like
mindset thing that begins to sort of divorce you from your sensibilities we don't
really know is the
point that's gonna that's gonna be a common answer i think yeah i have to give
you is that we we don't really
know but it it does make sense that you're you know the subtle nature of your
biology that involves
you know sort of guiding your human interactions and particularly sex related
interactions is going
to be derailed i mean low libido is one of ironically the most common um disclosed
side effects of birth
control so you're you're taking it so that you can have unprotected sex we don't
feel like having sex
ultimately anyway so it's not even really that well thought out i think by most
of us it's very bizarre
but what other alternatives are there i mean if you're a woman and you want to
have control of
whether or not you get pregnant there's not a whole lot of options other than
weird ones like iud's
which seem real weird yeah i mean there's some of my patients use what's called
a copper iud you know
it's funny because i had one put in and two and a half it cost like seven
hundred dollars and two
and a half weeks later i had it taken out because i just felt weird about
having like a pharmaceutical
metal in my my body was felt like a tracking device could you feel it in there
no no no it's not
really a thing it's just like psychologically felt weird but um i use something
called a daisy which is
like this highly calibrated thermometer and you track your you know because you
have six fertile days a
month this isn't you know like some major sacrifice you have to make in order
to learn how your cycle
works and then you get the benefits of being in your hormonal milieu you know
like it's not
um it's not that complicated but it there's a learning curve you know it
requires like learning
how to be a woman and also sharing the onus because you know with all of these
side effects we've been
talking about you know there was like a male birth control study that was just
terminated because of how
many side effects like the men didn't want to deal with you know so there's
such a sociocultural double
standard around this but if we're talking about six days a month like how about
we collaborate and
try and figure something out you know that doesn't involve a risk of death
perhaps so this daisy thing
just monitors your temperature and tells you exactly what's going on yeah i
mean it's a little more
sophisticated than that it actually