Name: Joe Rogan Experience #999 - Tom Bilyeu
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #999 - Tom Bilyeu' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2017-08-17. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #999 - Tom Bilyeu

Five, four, three, two, the infamous Jamie Countdown, and we're live, Tom.
What is up, man?
Tom, Bill you, if you're wondering.
Bill you.
Bill you.
People are wondering.
How do I say that?
Bill you.
Dude, I've eaten more of your bars than any bar ever in the history of bars
next to you
in the Primal Kitchen bars.
Whoa.
That's it.
Well, I take that as an honor.
So you're in fucking lofty company.
Rarefied air, man.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Those goddamn Quest bars are the shit, especially those chocolate brownie ones.
Dude, tell me about it.
You guys nailed it with those.
Thank you.
So what was the idea behind the company?
Like some low sugar, low carb, nutrition?
Yeah, at the time that we were thinking of launching the company, there was
nothing on the market
that we would eat.
It either tasted terribly and was good for you, or it tasted great and was
horrible for you.
So we wanted to create the first bar that tasted like it had sugar but didn't,
and metabolically
speaking had a great response.
Dude, it's a grind, man.
To find, if you try to go on a keto diet, and you try to find really good,
healthy, delicious
stuff to snack on, boy, here's a question.
Do Quest bars kick you out of ketosis?
No.
Really?
No.
See, if I eat a full bar, I'm going to be out.
Really?
For sure.
Yeah.
But it only has like nine grams of carbs.
How many grams of carbs?
Yes, but the protein is high.
Well, it's actually less than that.
Depending, do you count net carbs or full-blown?
You know what?
I'm very loose with it.
I don't do a whole lot of counting carbs.
For the most part, what I'm doing is eating whole foods.
The most part I'm doing is a lot of that Primal Kitchen.
You know that Chipotle mayo?
That Chipotle lime mayo?
I'm not bullshitting.
I don't.
It's fucking fantastic.
I might eat a case of that a month, and I'm not bullshitting.
I put it on everything because it's super high fat and really delicious.
So I put it on eggs.
I go cook up a couple of eggs in the morning, and then I'll take some scoops of
that Chipotle
lime mayo and just slap it on there with sliced jalapenos.
That is amazing.
So I'm getting a lot of fat.
Do you know the macros on it?
No, I don't calculate all that shit.
Really?
I'm not a nerd, bro.
But you stay in ketosis?
You can.
What?
Yeah.
Do you take your blood levels?
I have.
Yeah.
I have.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't do it on a regular basis.
I just essentially eat.
Well, what I'm doing is, for the most part, if I'm eating foods, the foods that
I'm eating
are very high fat, very low carbs, and then 20% of the time, I fuck off.
All right.
20% of the time.
Like 20% of the time.
Like, I try not to fuck off too hard, like with desserts and stuff like that.
Do you like desserts?
Yes.
Even on a keto diet, you don't find that that's reduced?
Yeah, it is reduced.
But once you start eating the ice cream, you remember how awesome it is.
Very good.
But a lot of exogenous ketones.
I use that.
That I don't fuck with.
Never done.
Never?
Exogenous.
Ah, did I try it once?
I think I did.
I was told that it would, like, help with a headache, and I was like, I call
bullshit.
This is not an infection at all.
Oh, okay.
For, like, keto flu?
It wasn't when I had, I did have keto flu profoundly.
But that's what happens when you're a dumbass the first time that you try going
ketogenic.
How did you, what'd you do?
I went true four to one after a three-day fast.
Four to one, explain that to people.
So for every gram of combined protein and carbohydrate I ate, I ate four grams
of fat, which is brutally
difficult to do.
You're never going to do it by accident.
I had a spreadsheet, and everything that I ate had to go through the math.
So I had to figure out, like, what's this going to be as a total meal?
You literally have to, like, scrape every bit of oil out of the pan.
Like, you've got to be hardcore.
Sop up, like, if you've got cabbage or something, sop up all the oil to make
sure that you're
getting it all.
It was hateful.
I absolutely hated it.
It was so disgusting.
And Dom has talked about that.
The palatability of four to one is very, very low.
At the time, I thought I needed to do that.
I was trying to do cancer prevention.
So I went hard, hardcore keto, trying to get the ratio between my blood glucose
and my ketones
right.
Were you experiencing health difficulties?
No.
But at Quest, we were really trying to, like, experiment, like, find out what's
the edge
of this stuff.
We were putting millions of dollars into research, especially into cancer,
trying to find out,
like, does a ketogenic diet have the positive implications on cancer that we
hope it does?
And at least in a clip that I saw on your show when Dom was on, he was talking
about
that, the energy crisis that the cells go through that are cancerous.
Some forms of cancer, yeah.
Doesn't he think it's all of them?
No.
I know some people are...
There was an article recently about brain cancer.
There was a type of brain cancer that actually lived off of fats that didn't
respond to a
low-carb diet.
I mean, I believe there's several different kinds of cancer.
And so I don't know if all the data's in on that.
Right.
But that's...
Yeah, it's debated for sure.
So your idea was just to do it, just to get yourself in a really healthy state
and monitor
your own body?
Yeah, my thing was like, if it has that potential, it's worth trying, right?
What's a three-day fast?
Not a big deal.
And then two weeks of being in ketosis.
Going into it, I didn't know how hard it was going to be.
I didn't know what four to one was going to feel like.
And I didn't know how to supplement.
So it was real misery.
And I really did have what they call the keto flu.
You feel like you have the flu.
It sucked.
Wow.
And my whole thing is like being uber disciplined.
So once I commit to something, I'm not going to stop just because it sucks.
And I wasn't smart enough to go and ask somebody, like, what do you do?
Like, is there a way to supplement your way out of this?
So I just muscled through.
But it was total misery.
I don't understand why you never tried exogenous ketones.
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Well, so you know Peter Attia, right?
No.
You don't know Peter Attia?
Who is he?
You have to immediately get him on your show.
So Peter Attia is a good friend of Dominic D'Agostino.
So that would be an easy connect.
And he's a doctor, a physician.
He did a TED Talk, which crushed.
Absolutely amazing.
And he goes from practicing traditional medicine.
And this is his TED Talk.
So this isn't me.
This is him saying it.
Being fairly judgmental about the people that he's treating.
This woman comes in.
She has diabetes.
And, oh, God, I think she was either there to have an amputation or she'd
already had one.
Something.
Anyway, he realizes as he, like, starts breaking all this down that this is
like a human being.
And what they're doing isn't solving the problem.
So he's like somewhere the system is failing a lot of people.
And how do we rectify it?
And as he's giving the TED Talk, he starts, like, crying.
It's so amazing, especially getting to know him and knowing that it's totally
sincere.
This was not a guy faking it for the camera.
And so ends up completely changing his life.
He starts really trying to figure out what's going on metabolically, finds high
fat, finds ketogenics.
For a while was known as the fat man or the keto man.
I forget what they called him.
But long before I'd ever heard of ketogenics.
And starts NUSI.
Have you heard of NUSI?
No.
It's a nutritional science initiative.
It raises a ton of money.
And they're trying to do, like, real double-blind empirical studies on
nutrition.
Because they're like, eh.
Like, there's so much guesswork in all of this.
We really want to prove it.
Ends up leaving that.
I won't speak to why.
I honestly don't know.
But ends up leaving NUSI.
Founding a private practice as, like, a high-end concierge guy.
We were trying to get him involved at Quest just because nutritionally this guy's
mind is unreal.
And so talking to him about that stuff and him walking us through, like, keto
flu and how you can actually supplement your way out of it and all that.
But I unfortunately didn't know it at the time.
So, yeah.
I suffered needlessly.
Hmm.
So that's interesting.
The flu thing is a weird feeling, right?
Because your body just feels so weak and you don't understand it.
You've been eating and you almost are in denial.
Like, I can't believe that this is just carbs.
There's no way.
Like, this is something.
Something's going on.
Yeah.
Is it carbs or is it protein?
I mean, I guess gluconeogenesis is turning the protein into glucose.
But it is weird.
Or is it that, and this I actually don't know the answer to and I'm now outside
my realm of what I understand, so full disclosure.
But there's obviously something in the micronutrients.
Because the people that later told me you could have supplemented your way out
of this, they were talking about, and I don't remember well, but it was like
magnesium and some other things.
It wasn't, oh, just, you know, have more carbs or more protein.
But I will say, at a two-to-one diet, at least I didn't experience the flu at
all.
And that was sustainable.
I did that for nine months.
And that was amazing.
It was transformative from an anti-inflammatory perspective.
It was just unbelievable.
So, just more low-carb than keto, totally.
Yeah.
So, I've been low-carb for a very long time because I, if I am having a cheat
weekend, and you were talking about this just before we went live, if I'm
having a cheat weekend, be right, you can hear me getting fatter.
Like, it is so crazy how well my body turns a calorie into adipose tissue.
It's nuts.
So, you get fatter quicker?
I get fat very, very fast, especially with carbohydrate.
But even if I spike my calories and they're all clean, I'll get fat fast.
Wow.
And this didn't used to be the case before you tried these low-carb diets?
No, this was always the case.
Always.
Oh, so you've always been that kind.
Yeah, yeah.
That's why I tried low-carb.
Because I'm so frustrated with always being, like, having a wet look.
A wet look?
Yeah.
What's that?
Maybe I'm making that up.
So, that's what my partners and I used to refer to.
People like me who just have a natural, smooth layer of fat.
Like, I have to do so much cardio to get that, like, dry look where, you know,
you're just really tight.
Like, a massive amount of cardio.
And is that the case even with, like, a low-carb diet?
Yeah, I'll get leaner on a low-carb diet, to be sure.
But it doesn't, like, if I want to be lean, lean, I have to do cardio.
So, you essentially got a really good adaptation body for famine.
Yeah, I'll survive a famine.
The zombie apocalypse, I've got you.
Like, I'm making it through that.
Hmm.
Very confident.
Do you watch Walking Dead?
Because a lot of people that think they're going to make it, they don't make it,
man.
I do watch Walking Dead, but I'm way behind.
I'm on, like, season three.
Where'd you stop?
Because people are telling me I'm going to tap out.
When they killed Glenn.
Oh, wow.
It's a spoiler alert, I guess, right?
Everybody knows.
I made it that far.
I made it that far.
But, yeah.
No, we're beyond that.
So, but here's what I find interesting about that is I want to do, like, some
content on what are, like, the ten leadership lessons you can learn from The
Walking Dead.
Because I think they're there.
Like, that's what I find interesting about the show.
Rick is inconsistent.
Yes.
I'm not buying them in the last season.
That's why I bailed out.
I don't know, man.
I mean, what leadership things are you going to learn when everyone's turned to
shit and a bunch of people killing each other?
All right.
So, let's go to one that you would have seen because it's before Glenn dies.
You've got the kid.
They find him at the bar, right?
They've got his teammates.
I don't have a better word for that.
His clan, whatever.
They go ballistic.
They start shooting.
You take him back to your place because you wa