Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1038 - Billy Corgan
Uploaded: 2017-11-10T23:14:24.000Z
Description: Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1038 - Billy Corgan' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2017-11-10. Transcript available.

Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1038 - Billy Corgan' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2017-11-10. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1038 - Billy Corgan

all right we're live what's up all right i know weird right yeah here we go
nice to meet you man
thank you yeah i can't believe we've never met yeah well uh i've been a fan of
your music for
a long time so it's kind of cool to see you in person i've worked out conversely
so it's cool
so i mean i don't mean to just jump right into this but it kind of freaked me
out that you're
you have involvement in pro wrestling do you own the nwa yeah i bought the
national wrestling
alliance the oldest brand in the world i was working for tna you know i was
president for a
hot second then i got fired and you were president of tna yeah yeah that's a
crazy story i don't know
how much you want to get into that well you know dixie carter owned tna i knew
her through the years
i used to go to shows and stuff like that and um and at some point they
approached me about um
investing i said no then they offered me a job i started working for the
company then they
would they start having money problems i started putting money in and through
the contrivance of
all that then i started getting more power in the company and putting in more
money so then it became
like well if i'm going to put in all this money and i'm going to have all this
power i want to run the
show they basically said that was cool and then the minute i had the spot it
was like game of thrones
they all started to kind of kill me off and and then you know wrestling's weird
because you have
this weird mix of reality and fantasy and it's hard sometimes to know where one
thing and the fans get
into both the behind the scenes and the fantasy so no one's quite sure
sometimes where the blur is
and uh yeah i got pretty crazy for a while there's a lawsuit um a real lawsuit
yeah i sued i sued and
this is a quick funny thing um people continually write that i lost the lawsuit
i never lost the
lawsuit i lost one of the motions which led to then me negotiating and we we
settled out of court but
the judge the contract that they signed that would have allowed me to take over
the company under the
under the motion that i had filed the judge basically dismissed my motion
because
the contract they had signed with me was illegal under tennessee law even
though a tennessee lawyer had
negotiated on the company's behalf and signed it whoa that sounds like some
double cross wrestling type
yeah yeah so it'd be like if you did a contract with me and then i sued you and
then the judge says
well even though joe had a california lawyer signed it's illegal under california
law so therefore the
contract's meaningless it was bizarre how does one go from smashing pumpkins to
pro wrestling and then go
so deep that you're like an owner yeah i know it's it's pretty wild um
unexpected for a lot of people
right yeah yeah no i get that a lot um and i've learned and i've actually i've
actually learned
over time it's just best to keep the world separate because the music fans don't
want to hear anything
about the wrestling thing i mean they just don't want to they just they they
get that i'm a bit
goofy but they just don't want to hear about the wrestling thing they asked
they asked the worlds to be
kept separate did they ever get mad at you oh yeah yeah oh yeah you know and
you can appreciate it
it kills the gimmick yes they want me to be this goth vampire guy or whatever
and then it's like and then
and then there's pro wrestling it's just it just totally kills the gimmick it's
really funny though
i think it's awesome yeah i love when people just get into what they like well
that's something i
appreciate about you you know what i mean like i've watched where you guys go
deep dives and mma and
other things it's like i think it's cool to have multiple interests i it's the
renaissance man thing
yeah well i think for for some reason people shy away from that because they
think folks are going to be
confused i don't care yeah good for you that's awesome yeah no i've growing up
in chicago there
was a really rich wrestling history in chicago growing up and my my my great
grandmother watched
wrestling i mean it was like i grew up in the at four years old i'm watching
dick the bruiser on
television and this is also the era of hockey fights and um roller derby oh
roller derby so we'd
watch hockey pro wrestling you know it was in the family yeah and then later i
found out that my
other great grandmother also watched wrestling so both sides of the family both
great grandmothers
watching wrestling so it's just in the blood i guess we like that we like the
carny of it all
well i'm i'm always amazed that roller derby never made like a serious comeback
they tried they kind of
did the the you know the tattooed girls doing roller derby hipstery type of
thing it had a moment there
well i know i had a friend who was into it and she you know was that type and i
just i thought well
that seems like something that would catch on today yeah they transitioned from
like roller
derby to suicide girls yeah right you gotta get a little hotter yeah yeah girl
you could be thick
and be a roller derby girl you could you could eat all the carbs you like the
roller derby back in
the day was huge yeah i mean they were doing like packed arenas and stuff that's
crazy well it's fun to
watch it's pretty wild yeah you know you see them go after each other and
skating around it's pretty
aggressive it's fun it's fun it's like racing plus fighting and yeah hip
checking each other i you know
it's early days memory but i remember thinking you know so there's something
sort of hot about the
whole thing yes i think especially in chicago the women's roller derby was
bigger than the men's so
that says something yeah i didn't even know there was men's roller derby like
thinking of men's roller
derby i i'm completely drawn a blank it's just i always associate it with like
tough women yeah yeah
that's what i'm saying i think the women's thing actually had some sort of
staying power where the
men's i think it didn't have the same allure maybe yeah yeah i guess uh you're
you're my age you remember
killer kowalski of course yeah yeah yeah i remember watching that when i was a
kid in boston watching
it on uh on regular tv you know that no those guys were great i mean it's a
golden age it's like anything
you can go back and sort of romanticize it and um i think that's part of what
we're trying to do is
that's the cool thing about the nwo is we actually possess that history and and
so our job is to sort
of update it you know to bring it to bring that tough guy thing back into the
modern world in a
way that sort of doesn't insult the audience's intelligence so the nwa is that
older than the wwe
yeah 1948 is the nwa whoa yeah and uh the cool thing about the nwa's history
was you had all these rival
promoters including the mcmahon's in the northeast that eventually sort of
formed a kind of ad hoc
association to create a better business in essence get everybody on the same
page and what they would
do is they named one champ and the champ would rotate through the different
territories come in and take
on the whoever was the local guy they build up the local guy and then a guy
like rick flair would come
in and beat the local guy and it would always be like a bit of a scrum and then
he'd come back for a
second there would be a cage match and then rick flair would move on to the
next territory and that's how
those guys rotate around then everybody made more money wow and then the
government
got involved at different points because there was collusion there you go there's
there's rick flair
with our belt actually i follow him on instagram yeah yeah i mean rick's rick
and uh dusty flit uh
dusty roads are are you know the probably the two most prominent champs that
the nwa had so just to be
the owner of that history is like so humbling for me as a fan it's like wow
that is so cool yeah
that's pretty wild actually he's uh he's quite a character and and still is
like even on instagram the stories
the stories are legendary the stories are absolutely 30 for 30 just came out
about them and i'm hearing
it's like one of the best ones ever made it just came out like this the other
day maybe two days ago
oh cool and then i and you know i'm not trying to speak for rick but you know
there's a there's an
example of somebody where it's like the the persona and the real life person
sort of blurred
right and it's hard to figure out who was who at any given time that you know
that's the case like
dice clay oh yeah okay yeah yeah he used to be andrew silverstein and the dice
man was a character
that he used to do on stage is he now is he now become 100 all day long my
friend and friends
marilyn manson he's the same way it's like they become yeah they become the
gimmick at some point
and sometimes you're not sure who you're talking to but but at some point you
also have to respect that
that's so intrinsic to their world that maybe it's almost easier just to become
the gimmick right
instead of having her to live you don't have to turn it on and off yeah i'm the
other way i've
i've gone out of my way to kill the gimmick which really it actually hurts
business and and people get
mad at me because they want no they want the fantasy guy but i can't live like
that right it's impossible
for me so they want you to be almost like a caricature like a moody sad grumbling
uh you know
whatever you know that's why a lot of the stuff on me that's clickbait is based
on the character
that i both created and people want me to play wow that's like one of the
biggest memes of last year
or it was about a year ago was like me at disneyland i don't know if you've
heard about that so
it's classic i was on a ride and somebody took a picture of me on the ride and
for whatever
reason i just don't look happy at that particular moment and i had this great i
had this great in
fact the guy in the other room my tour man or jug was the guy sitting next to
me in the photo
and uh there you go look and it was like massive viral like that's perfect
i mean i had a great day like i met i met i met tons of fans i took pictures
with everyone i love
disneyland i had this great day and that became like this massive thing of like
see he's miserable
even at disneyland that's hilarious that's funny what a perfect picture yeah
right so and it even
ended up on family guy see look that's very funny man that's very funny that's
got to be exhausting
like having all these expectations that aren't necessarily that don't totally
align with who
you really are uh it used to be because i felt like i don't know as the keeper
of my image or
something i felt this responsibility to sort of manage it and at some point i
just let it go yeah
well for sorry to interrupt you but it's like at some point i decided crazy was
better for business
like i'm okay with people thinking i'm nuts it's totally okay well because i'm
the exact opposite
of nuts you have to be you're certainly eccentric yeah that's fine you know i
come from a long line
of eccentrics i mean my father was a drug dealing gun toting musician was he
really mad man yeah yeah
drug dealing oh yeah what kind of drugs you name it really oh yeah wow i mean
it's it's a
like quick stories like when i was a kid my father was a musician so i remember
i used to like i wasn't
allowed to touch his guitars but i was allowed to look at them so i remember
one day i was walking
past the bedroom and i saw a guitar case under the bed and i was like oh i
wonder what that is did he
get a new guitar so i went slipped the thing out and i flipped open it was a it
was a sawed-off shotgun
in a guitar case just laying there you know in the house or you know i'd go to
open something it
would be like 10 pounds of weed you know it's just there's just that was the
that was the world i
grew up in where'd you grow up uh outside of chicago about an hour outside wow
but yeah my dad
my dad got arrested a bunch of times and massive busts and drugs it's just
crazy and gun and people
knocking o