Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1064 - Eddie Huang & Jessica Rosenworcel
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1064 - Eddie Huang & Jessica Rosenworcel' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2018-01-15. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1064 - Eddie Huang & Jessica Rosenworcel

five four three two one and we're live uh welcome aboard jessica rosenworcel
did i do it you did
i was so nervous about that and eddie wong of course he's been on the podcast
many times number
one podcast in the world oh thank you jre what's up brother how are you i'm
chilling man i'm i'm
good i just you know i wanted to introduce you to the homie the commissioner
from the fcc
jessica rosenworcel because things things were things are bad for the internet
right now
well you are very concerned and a lot of people are about net neutrality and uh
we all have some
questions about it and we're excited to talk to you about it so maybe we could
uh illuminate some of the
issues and and give us a an understanding or try to help us understand what's
at stake here and why are
people so concerned well i think people are concerned because the future of the
internet's the future of
everything i mean every aspect of our lives is now touched by that connectivity
and it's a funny thing
but the agency where i work in washington the federal communications commission
has enormous power and
control over our internet experience and for decades we've had these policies
that have been all about
internet openness and what that means is you can go where you want do what you
want online and your
broadband provider can't get in the way or prevent you from looking at some
websites or looking at some
videos or setting up some businesses but that changed last month in washington
when the fcc
over my objections voted to end net neutrality and as a result all of our
broadband providers now
have the legal right to block websites to throttle content and to set up
sweetheart paid for prioritization
deals and over the long haul that could really change the internet and the web
as we know it
now one of the arguments pro net neutrality um one of the arguments for people
that were excited about
this being signed what they were saying that net neutrality was really uh only
over the last couple
of years and before the last couple of years net neutrality as we know it the
last couple years
everything was fine and that it'll continue to be fine and that people are just
panicked and there
was that really bizarre video that that one dude made where he was saying these
are all the things you're
going to be able to do you work with that cat i do i should buy yeah he seems
like an odd odd fellow yeah
yeah well uh he's a he's a smart guy he's a seasoned lawyer i think it's fair
to say he and i see the
world a little differently yeah so he doesn't he sees this through the eyes of
big business right he
thinks that this is uh the free market let the market decide and um and that's
what the argument i mean
i've even mark cuban was uh arguing against it so i was like wow this is
stunning yeah you know for me
the net neutrality thing is huge because when i was in law school i read this
one book called fighting
for air and it documented like the telecommunications act of 97 it's like
boring stuff right don't go read
the telecommunications act of 97 but like radio mattered to me remember like
growing up with the
radio like i remember they would actually break records on the radio back in
the day like fun flex still
does it on hot 97 he'll break records he broke my boy old drew's record the
other day but like
recently the it's like clear channel i heart radio they own all the radio
stations and
it really sterilized content and they play the same songs every hour in every
city almost around the
world and i when i read that book and i went to law school i realized i was
like yo it was because
of the deregulation of radio that allowed for all these local independent radio
stations in every
city that were repping local culture and state culture that kind of eroded that
means of communication
and i was like this happens to every single industry we have whether it's radio
television but now it's
coming for the internet and by deregulating it you're gonna gut it again and
you know like when when
technology started popping and podcasts came around i mean that's what enabled
jre and that's why my
first place to go is like i'm gonna come see joe because you were one of the
innovators with this
new technology well thanks but i i think um what people are super concerned
about is things getting
blocked right that's that's like one of the first ones yes is that something
that we legitimately have
to worry about this is a good question here's what i know right now your
broadband provider has the
technical ability to block content and websites it's got the business incentive
to block or slow access to
some websites if they don't have a special commercial relationship with them so
now the fcc just gave them
the legal green right just go ahead and so i feel over time this is something
we need to be concerned
about and so this open platform that was full of independent independent voices
now you've got this
new gatekeeper your broadband provider they've got a lot more power than what
they used to how close was
the vote it was three two and what's the argument for this well that's that's
fair um i think there's an
argument that you want government out of the way deregulation is going to lead
to more competition and
we'll have um a flourishing of new ideas and content if we just move government
out of the way
and even if you're sympathetic to that argument here's where i think it breaks
down
according to the fcc's own data half of the households in this country don't
have a choice
of broadband provider i'm familiar with this i'm one of them i only have one
provider that serves my
house so the thing is if your broadband provider started blocking your content
or throttling your
access to some video in a competitive market you'd pick up you take your
business somewhere else
but about half of our households don't even have that opportunity
so to me the idea that the competitive market will prevent this behavior just
doesn't fly
yeah that doesn't seem to make sense and that that's an issue in my
neighborhood as well and
a lot of other people i know as well i mean i think they make deals where only
one
company whether it's verizon or whatever has an area yeah they monopolize the
areas they limit the
opportunities and choices and when they say deregulation it just anytime they
deregulate things and say
hey we're going to leave it to the market and have competition i think it's
impossible to have that
when you have a country with such an inequality income inequality gap right
that's the problem is
that all right let's all go compete joe you're not going to start a verizon i'm
not going to start a
verizon you know what i mean like we can't compete with these dudes and even
comcast can't even compete
with verizon like you know these dudes are all getting smashed so there is not
actual competition i think
deregulation works when you have multiple players and options and that the
market actually can come
into play but with the economy so top heavy right now i don't think there is a
possibility of competition
yeah i mean listen competition is the best regulator we know right we want
there to be these markets where
consumers have lots and lots of choices but if competition isn't existing you
need a little oversight to
make sure that every consumer gets a fair shot well it seems like that's where
the real argument lies that if
there are monopolies and there seem to be in certain areas with in regards to
what kind of internet
access you can get that if you don't have regulation then then what is going to
protect the consumer
what is going to protect free speech what's going to protect say if you are on
verizon and your system
is on verizon what if you decide to make a podcast that criticizes verizon and
everybody says you know
hey eddie wong's got a podcast criticizing us i want to shut that down and they
can just i would have
been shut down a long time ago yeah yeah we're not saying that they would do
that but they could yeah
and that's what's scary that's that's not good and you know so much of our
speech these days it
doesn't take place in public places it takes place on these private platforms
right so they have a lot
of power and we have to think about that as a country and a democracy how much
openness do we want
and then how do we create a framework in washington that supports that openness
and that's really to
me what net neutrality was about the other question i have is right let's say
um the you know vera let's
say a service provider buys hulu right or or they buy or they create their own
streaming platform called like zulu
right so they start zulu they could start to charge netflix more money for
using their service they could
charge hulu more money they could charge you know beats more money whatever so
that they have an advantage
for their own streaming services and in that way they can culturally control
content and you know you're
so right and what happens is you as a consumer you just get online and you
might not even notice
right you might not even notice they're taking you to the video content that
they have a special pay for
relationship with i think though the biggest harm is to entrepreneurship
because right now look you have a
good idea you got a business a service you can go online and you can almost
instantly have global reach
that's amazing but now you're going to have to figure out is your broadband
provider instead going to
shuffle off all your traffic to someone else who's paying them on the side are
you going to have a fair
shot to show your wares and your ideas to the world it's harder because i start
thinking like
a a bad one percenter dude and i'm like all right if there's no net neutrality
and i'm the only person
that can service calabasas california woodland hills california well i'm going
to charge all the
other streaming providers more money to use this and i'm going to create a
competitor in every single
one of these sectors so you can have an advantage if you have your show with me
and if you're on the
other one i'm going to disadvantage you i'm going to tax you basically so right
now these are concerns
are there any plans in place for things that we should be concerned with and is
there anything that
we can do about this current ruling yes there's loads because i'm not giving up
in the fight for
net neutrality and i don't want you to either we got a few different pathways
ahead first in congress
right now they are trying to get rid of what just happened at the fcc they're
trying to use this law
called the congressional review act that in effect just undead everything that
the fcc just did so
it's a way to wipe out what just happened and while the odds are long there's
more than 40 united
states senators who have sponsored that law and in the house side there's more
than 80 members of the
house of representatives so there's momentum growing in congress to take a look
at this issue and maybe
fix what the fcc did and if you're sitting out there and thinking they're not
listening to you
what you should do is something totally old-fashioned you should pick up the
phone call your members of
congress and your representatives and let them know you care about this issue
because that still today is
one of the most powerful ways of conveying your opinion to those who represent
you when is the vote
happening on that it is not yet scheduled i think it's going to happen first in
the united states senate
and later in the house i also think we are going to have litigation we've
already got a few states
attorneys general who want to sue to overturn this we've got some big companies
some public interest
groups so i think it's fair to say we're going to court and then we're also
seeing activity in state
houses and that we've seen net neutrality legislation introduced in nebraska nevada
washington state
massachusetts california lots of places and i'm not sure how that all comes
together legally but what
you see is this momentum growing that peopl