Name: JRE MMA Show #18 with Pat Miletich
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'JRE MMA Show #18 with Pat Miletich' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2018-03-21. Transcript available.

JRE MMA Show #18 with Pat Miletich

Three, two, one.
The great and powerful Pat Miletic.
I don't know about that.
You are.
Listen, man, it's an honor to have you in here.
Thank you.
You know what?
I've been watching your show for a long time, and you're a contrarian thinker.
I love it.
And you've prompted a lot of people to think differently, right?
Maybe.
I think information prompts people to think differently.
Well, when they get pounded with it enough and hear it enough.
Yeah.
Eventually, it starts to sink in, right?
Yeah, I think so, man.
And when you talk about guys who have been around, like, you are one of the
real pioneers of MMA.
You know, it's one of the reasons why I really wanted to have you in here.
I remember back when you were fighting.
I remember back when you fought Matt Hume.
And what was that like?
Extreme Battle Cave.
Yeah, that was John Peretti's thing.
I mean, dude, you've been around.
You've been around.
You were the early days.
Bare knuckle.
Yeah, yeah.
No, you know, and the thing is, I always tell people.
Didn't you fight Dan Severn?
Yeah.
Yeah, we fought to a draw.
Who was 270 pounds at the time?
Yeah, and he was still, obviously, pretty tough back then.
Still pretty mobile.
It was not a fun fight, I can tell you, carrying his weight around for 30
minutes.
But it was tough.
But Matt Hume is the guy that made me realize that I wasn't a fighter yet.
Because I was 15-0.
I think I was ranked fourth in the world.
And I fought Matt, ragdolled him for basically the whole first round, threw him
around like a ragdoll.
But he was just biding his time and waiting.
And he caught me with some knees and damaged my nose.
And the referee and the doctor stopped the fight.
Because back then it was very controversial.
They didn't want a guy with a crushed nose or whatever.
And so they stopped the fight.
But I realized at that point he knew a lot more than I did.
Yeah, that was an interesting fight because I totally disagree with that stoppage.
And I was watching.
I was like, this is crazy.
How could you stop a fight for a broken nose?
Well, I got head-butted.
I used to spar with a lot of pro boxers.
And I got head-butted by a pro boxer.
And he separated the cartilage from the bone.
So that gap is still there.
So that's what they felt.
My nose was bleeding a little bit.
So that's why they stopped it.
But broken noses are just normal.
It happens, right.
And it's not dangerous.
It's like maybe somebody saw those movies where you, like, remember in a movie
a guy would hit the bottom of a guy's nose and drive the bone up into his brain?
It's like Mike Tyson talking about it, right?
Yeah, he did.
He hit him like this and pushed the bone up through the brain.
That might be the worst Mike Tyson impression I've ever heard.
I'm going to let that go, though.
I'm doing my best.
Doing my best, man.
Yeah, but back then, yeah, nobody really knew, like, what was dangerous, what
wasn't dangerous.
It wasn't like a body of fights that we could draw upon.
And I was doing televised debates with politicians at the time.
Were you really?
To keep the sport legal in the state that I was scheduled to fight in.
So think of how stressful it is to train for a fight, stay healthy, try and pay
your bills.
Do all the stuff you're doing.
And at the same time, I'm debating politicians in that state who are trying to
pass a bill to ban the sport that I'm scheduled to fight in that state.
I'm panicking.
I'm freaking out.
So I'd do my homework, and I'd get in debates, like Representative Bolin from
Illinois.
By the time we got done with the debate, he goes, I'll agree with Mr. Miletic.
He's obviously, you know, I think they expected to go into a debate with a
punch-drunk boxer.
Right, right.
And by the time the debate was done, I'd crushed him.
And he's like, well, maybe if we could just do away with headbutts.
You know, that was his rebuttal at the end of it.
Yeah, I mean, I see how they think, and I see that.
But I think today, even to this day, I don't mind headbutts.
I don't either, because you train for them.
Yeah.
If they're legal, that's what you're training for.
And it's a legit technique.
Like, why is it okay to slam your elbow into someone's face, but it's not okay
to slam your forehead into someone's face?
Right.
And it's very effective.
If a guy's tying you up in the guard, and his head's right there, you can do
that, and he can't really do it back to you.
I mean, I watched, when I was in my first no-holds-barred tournament in Chicago,
God, I don't even remember the name of it anymore.
It's been so long.
But I saw a guy get headbutted 42 times in the first round, and he ended up
winning with a triangle.
Wow.
He ended up winning the fight.
It was Marcel Loverich versus this guy named Johnson, Mike Johnson, I think his
name was.
Marcel Loverich ends up losing after crushing him with headbutts.
Mike Johnson's in the shower.
They're running cold water on him, trying to wake him back up, and he collapses,
and they have to throw in an alternate.
Wow.
But it was, yeah, headbutts obviously were legal then, so.
Wow.
Yeah, headbutts, like, that was Mark the Hammer, Coleman's moves.
Knees on the ground.
Knees on the ground, knees to the head on the ground.
Yeah.
But, I mean, think about when Coleman was in his prime, he was all about headbutts.
And when he fought Maurice, and he took Maurice down, that was back in the days
when headbutts were legal.
Maurice Smith, he defended against all that.
Yeah, doing all of this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just another technique.
Yeah.
And, but without that technique, it's sort of like, when I, one of the, when I
realized that Taekwondo was very limited was when I started working out with
kickboxers.
And I started getting punched in the face.
And I was like, oh, no.
Like, what have I learned?
I've learned this, you know, thing that is only good if somebody doesn't punch
you in the face.
Like, this is terrible.
But, you know, you were an open thinker, obviously, and you realized, so the
thing was, with early MMA, everybody was so tied to their technique.
It's like being tied to a religion and refusing to see something else, right?
Yeah, there was a lot of that.
So guys who are Taekwondo experts, wrestlers, this, that, they were so, so
attached to their art that they refused to learn anything else.
And they'd just die because of it.
Yeah.
They'd get crushed because of it.
And I just, early on, went, these guys are dumbasses.
Why wouldn't you want to know how to do a lot of things?
You've got to have a big toolbox.
Well, there was always a lot of pride in your art, right?
There was always a lot of guys like wrestlers who were only into wrestling or
kickboxers who were only into Muay Thai.
They just wanted to stand up.
They didn't want to go to the ground.
They just wanted to stand up.
And that, that just costs you in the long run, especially when you see like a
real complete fighter, like a guy like Mighty Mouse.
Like a guy like Mighty Mouse is at the top of the heap.
Trained by Matt Hume, right?
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
And he can do everything.
Yeah.
I mean, it doesn't matter if you're a wrestler.
It doesn't matter if you're a kickboxer.
You're fucked.
You're fucked everywhere with that guy.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's because he's got this just incredibly well-rounded skill sets.
And I think the days of the specialists, I think are still, they're still kind
of here.
I'm surprised that that's still the case.
Yeah.
There's a few guys that can still pull it off.
But the guys that can pull it off are like the Damian Mayas.
Right.
Or the Wonder Boys.
Yeah.
Like, Wonder Boys is such an elite striker.
That is, if he can keep the fight standing, he can kind of work a lot of guys.
And because so many guys have not done karate and things like that, he's like a
Rubik's Cube
they can't figure out.
Yeah.
Right?
Well, he's long in that weird sideways stance with that front leg.
Yeah.
Those guys who have a good front leg, like that karate style, point fighting
style, that
they're used to blitzing in with that good front leg.
Yeah.
Very hard to gauge that distance.
Yeah.
It's so different.
Yeah.
I think Woodley did the best job of anybody in fighting him.
And I think that's like a roadmap for it.
Yeah.
Because, like, people booed Woodley and gave Woodley a lot of shit.
But look, Woodley's the one who hurt him in both fights.
Right.
And that's the way you've got to fight that guy.
You can't just charge after that guy.
You'll get countered.
And the criticisms of Woodley, in my mind, I think, you know, look, it's a two-man
dance.
Right.
Woodley kept his title.
Yeah.
Ultimately, that's all that matters.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
If I'm the champ, I'm just trying to keep my title.
I'm doing enough to win.
I'm not there to be the most exciting fighter.
That was my mentality because I knew once you get – because I fought totally
different before I got to the UFC.
I was just a psychopath and go out and just go 100 miles an hour until the guy
was done.
Right.
But once you get in the UFC, then it's, okay, we can cut you if you lose.
Right.
It's like, okay, now I've got to change the way I fight.
Well, there's also the win bonus.
Right.
I mean, especially now.
Did they have the win bonus back then?
Yeah, that to me is a real issue.
I think a guy should be paid what they get paid.
I think if you have a contract, the contract for X amount of money.
If you have points on the pay-per-view, that's on top of that.
But the idea that your win or loss could be in the hands of what we have deemed
completely incompetent judges.
I see it every week?
Every week.
That's brutal.
I mean, and you do a lot of commentary yourself.
In these smaller shows, I'd imagine sometimes it's even worse.
I mean, we've gotten in trouble to the point where we had people come to us and
go,
look, the promoters from different organizations, when there was really, really
bad decisions.
You know, when I was working with Michael Chiavello especially, we were brutal
on the athletic commissions.
And we'd hear about it and go, you guys need to back off.
I've heard it, too.
I've heard it from athletic commissions, too.
I say go fuck yourself.
There's guys in there that are fighting for their life.
They literally train for months and months, and someone who literally doesn't
even understand martial arts is giving these guys a decision, a loss or a win.
And that's 50% of their money.
And that's crazy.
I remember the first time I witnessed it as far as a coach when my IFL team was
fighting in Texas.
We were fighting, I think, Boss's team.
And I looked at the judges, and all of them, one of them had a bouffant hairdo,
an old lady, and then two old guys with white hair.
And I went back to the locker room, and I go, guys, you can't let this go to
the judges.
They're, like, one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
They know nothing about what they're watching.
Like, we are in deep shit if we can't do it.
Well, I think boxing is a very complicated art.
And I think it's a very difficult thing to score.
But it's way more easy to score than martial arts are.
Absolutely.
There's so much going on.
When a fight goes to the ground, I mean, I have a friend who's a judge who
literally said to me in the middle of a fight,
one of the female judges, or referees, rather, judges, one of the female judges
turned to him and go, what is he doing?
Like, what is he doing?
The guy was going for a Kimura.
What is he doing?
Yeah.
What is he doing?
Adelaide.
What are you doing?
Adelaide Berg, right?
Yeah.
We've heard, you talked about her during one of the UFCs, right?
Yeah, me and Cormier were joking around the other day.
It's hilarious.
Very nice lady.
Very nice lady.
Yeah.
But like I said, my mom's a really nice lady, too.
I wouldn't want her judging any fights.
Right.
But I said to Adelaide Berg before the Pride in Las Vegas, Lawler was fighting
in that one, right?
And I thought, I'm just going to ask.
And I walked up to her and I go, excuse me, I'm new to the sport.
Could you tell me what a tri