Name: JRE MMA Show #26 with Big John McCarthy
Uploaded: 2018-05-17T01:46:03.000Z
Description: Watch the stand-up comedy video 'JRE MMA Show #26 with Big John McCarthy' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2018-05-17. Transcript available. Joe sits down with Big John McCarthy to discuss MMA history.

Watch the stand-up comedy video 'JRE MMA Show #26 with Big John McCarthy' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2018-05-17. Transcript available. Joe sits down with Big John McCarthy to discuss MMA history.

JRE MMA Show #26 with Big John McCarthy

five four three two one boom and we're live with the og of ogs if there is more
of an og
mma character than you i don't know who the fuck they would be who's more who's
hoist gracie and
you that's about as og as it gets right you know what that means what does that
mean you're both
fucking old we're all old yeah we're old i was watching there was the other day
was the 20th
anniversary of dan henderson's first ufc appearance and as me interviewing him
afterwards i'm like
who's that fucking little kid interviewing dan henderson who's dan henderson
pretending to be
dan henderson ufc 12. yeah dothan alabama well you got you got transferred yeah
well we're supposed
to go up to buffalo go down dothan they canceled it out of new york new york
said get out of here and
we had to take a puddle jumper plane remember all that just oh dude i remember
it very well i was
in court god damn i knew i was in trouble yeah you were one of the i mean you
you were one of the
people that i cite all the time for why that stupid reason that the 12 to 6
elbow you're the one who
just explained it to me because i couldn't believe that what you're telling me
was true that the reason
12 to 6 elbows were illegal well just tell the story oh the truth of the story
is back there's so many
stories about rules and how they came about and you know there's guys claiming
things and it's like
really okay you know look at i have paperwork that shows how the how things
came out and at what time
it was and i still have my computers that i have things written on that we we
went over stuff but
you have computers from the 90s dude i still have no i've got floppy disk no
you don't swear to god
you do unbelievable what do you do with it not a damn thing how much can a floppy
disk hold not even
like a megabyte right nothing nothing it holds a couple of pages of a document
but you remember
when the floppy disk went away everybody panicked like what are you doing you're
fucking taking away
the floppy disk that's outrageous what are you gonna put stuff on yeah when mac
got rid of
the floppy disk i remember people like these guys are assholes like what are
they thinking
but anyways when when the unified rules you know what happened was the everyone
looks at the ufc and
says oh well you know when the ufc went to the first show that was done in new
jersey was the ifc
paul smith's show it was done in september i want to say of 1999 okay and the ufc
went there in
november of 1999 and and you have to go back and understand the history of what
was going on
and you know this is where i have my issues with people that try to change
history right and rewrite
things and what was going on was semaphore entertainment group at the time
owned the ufc
that's who you were working right bob myrowitz bob myrowitz and mclaren campbell
mclaren was long
gone you know and i love by then by 99 oh my god yes yeah you know and he
talked he was there when
i came around in 97 yeah well i think he hired you yeah yeah yeah and you know
he did some stuff
and he comes up with you know i'm the co-creator of the ufc yeah you know what
let me just ask one
question if you're the co-creator how come you never owned one bit of it doesn't
make sense
hell yes how dare you you know what i'm tired you know why lie he did things
and i will i will
absolutely give him credit for what he did because he was the reason that it
actually made it to pay
per view because art davey had gone to everyone prime ticket at the time was a
pay-per-view provider
because the pay-per-view world back then was about 15 million in the u.s it's
not like it is now
there you know you you were limited right but you know prime ticket was one hbo
was another and he
had gone to all those and they all turned no no no no no and there was this one
company semaphore
entertainment group out of new york that did rock and roll shows and they did
one sporting event
it was martina navratilova against jimmy connors in tennis oh wow that remake
of the remake of the
billy jean king bobby riggs thing wow i remember that uh-huh that's crazy that
was them i didn't
know that was semaphore i was said that was the only sporting thing they'd ever
done before
the ufc but they were they were looking for something that they could rerun and
and make
happen again and again and campbell looked at what art brought to him and said
i think this could be
that thing and horian came up with the idea horian gracie right negative
negative not true he says he
came up with the idea are you saying you calling out horian gracie i'm not
calling i'm not calling
out five minutes big john doesn't fuck around look at horian horian had you
know his thing i love
you know what i fell in love with what they did that's how i got involved right
but horian
art davy went to horian because he needed validity he needed somebody to give
actual value and some
credence to what he was trying to do because he went to horian off of a there
was an article in
playboy magazine bad you know and it was about horian and you know this guy
this family that would
fight anybody and you know hundred thousand dollar challenge it was a bad
article no that was called
bad that was the actual title b a d across two pages bad oh was the i remember
reading the article i don't
remember that part about but it was it was basically they were offering like a
lot of money to fight
anybody right it well it was the whole thing of the hundred thousand dollar
challenge yeah but he didn't
have a hundred thousand dollars right you know and so it was well if you bring
a hundred thousand
dollars i'll put up on no one's bringing a hundred thousand dollars right so
just more like a publicity
stunt yeah you know and they did obviously they had the gracie challenge before
that and they did all
the gracie in action tapes that we had all seen yep and you'd see all these
karate masters get taken
down strangled you know and that was that was the thing that i loved the fact
when you know i i can go
through the whole thing how i met horian but when i met him there was never
anything about well you
know we we would do this in that situation but we can't do that because we'll
hurt you or you know
so i'm like and that was what happened in a lot of martial arts oh well we can't
do that because
that would really right that'll hurt you that'll kill you and he was like let's
do it right every
time and that's what i fell in love with is like hey they're not phony they're
real right you know
and the first time i ever you know did anything with them hoist gracie armbarred
me and i went how did
you do that right and i just fell in love with it a lot of people said that
about hoist gracie how did
do that yeah those early days of the ufc was boy i mean you want to talk about
i mean it really played
it out perfectly because it really was the best version of explaining jujitsu
like what how do you
show the effectiveness of jujitsu well here's what you do you lock some dudes
in a cage with no rules
guys bigger than him and he's wearing his gi so he look he's the only one that
looks like like what we
think of as a martial artist right and you get these guys everyone else looks
like big old street thugs
they're jacked up on steroids they're giant and they're running after him and
we always would think
of like bruce lee and these martial artists who technique over size and they
would beat all these
people but in the real world that shit didn't work nope it just didn't work
bigger guys always fucked
you up they were heavier you hit them it didn't work you bounced off of them
they got you on the
ground they punched your face in but all of a sudden there was this little guy
who wasn't
little but you know he's 175 pounds in comparison to the rest of the people he
was fairly small
and he was tapping guys with triangles off his back and armbarring people and
and everybody would
the greatest greatest infomercial ever it was the greatest exactly it got me on
board i mean me and
everybody else man all these people that like me who came from a striking
background i was like holy
shit and that's like this is crazy that's where i look at horian was brilliant
because he listened to
what art said and goes and look at art so whose idea was it it was art it was
art's it was art's idea to
have a bunch of guys fight absolutely hmm 100 well how much did art how much
did art art own of it
he owned uh i want to say basically 25 percent 20 when they sold it to because
they had zufa he got a
piece of that oh well no he was gone before that you got to figure when there
was two there was wow
promotions and wow promotions came from war of the worlds because art had named
the whole competition
war of the worlds oh and then semaphore entertainment group changed it to the
ultimate fighting championship
i vaguely remember that whole thing guy named michael abrams is the one that
named it wow
so when when art had with horian he gave horian 25 he had 25 and bob myrowitz
owned 50 because
putting it on pay-per-view so you had wow promotions owning 50 semaphore
entertainment group owning 50
and actually wow owned a little bit less because they had brought together
investors
and they were trying to get 250 000 and they got somewhere around 115 112 000
of investment
that they put up because that was going to be part of the money for the people
that were competing in
it's crazy when you think about what it is now because this is we're talking
about 1993 what new
sport can you think of other than mma from 1993 that's now a huge global force
i mean it is something
that everybody talks about globally nothing the one thing that you can look at
and say wow that that's
really gained traction american ninja warrior oh yeah but it's not right it's a
athletic competition
yeah it's a show yeah that that definitely gained traction that's a fun fucking
show it is dude
i didn't realize how fun that show was i never watched it until like a year ago
those people are
incredible oh yeah as far as athletes and the ability to i mean just the grip
strength because you know
yeah everyone thinks oh you can hang on a bar forever no you can't we learned
in fear factor that
girls are better at that than guys less body weight i could i wouldn't have
believed it i looked at this
what we had this one guy on the show that was jacked big thick old dude and
there was girls that were
like you know 125 pounds 130 pounds and this guy was he was toast at like a
minute and 30 seconds he
was done and these girls were hanging in there i was like this is crazy this is
really interesting
because i would think the girls hands were weak i would think nope because it's
the matter the only
difference that you can make it is you you change the size of the bar and start
making the bar bigger
now the man starts to have more of an advantage because of his hand being
bigger right right right
that will take the advantage away from the girl because now she's actually
starting to cup over and
her finger strength starts to go before right yeah so um yeah so mma who who
named it mixed martial arts
you know what that's a look at that's a whole story and you're gonna hear i
heard it was you
well i i give credit to jeff blatnick as far as look at he didn't come up with
the term who did but
the truth that you know and this is the first thing i can tell you i wrote i
wrote a uh i had to do
what's called a work permit for lapd because i worked for lapd back in 1993 93
into 94 and it was
because i was going to referee the second ufc which was march 11th in 1994 and
for me to actually work
the department has to allow me to i have to ask for permission and then they
have to grant that
permission was there a concern that it was too outrageous well that was part of
the whole thing is
i didn't want to say oh i got two guys going into a cage they're going to beat
the shit out of each
other right so i the first thing i put was a martial arts referee okay and then
they said well
what kind of martial arts so i wrote