Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1136 - Hamilton Morris
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1136 - Hamilton Morris' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2018-06-27. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1136 - Hamilton Morris

I
Try so hard
Boom and we're live Hamilton Morris sober as fuck. How about you? Absolutely.
So yes this time
So we did a podcast seven years ago and most people
Apparently didn't know how fucked up we were
But I figured damn we're here with Hamilton Morris
We should go deep and we just kept hitting that joint till I lost
Most of my grasp on reality while we're talking
It was just a very slippery conversation. I was just too high to form coherent
thoughts
It was just whatever I pieced together was just
You know, it was almost like miming a conversation
But now seven years later and you have a new place. Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah,
well you were at the early days
We did it at my house. Yeah, that was way way way back in the day
I had no idea really I knew you were of course, but I didn't know about your
Podcast entirely I'd seen clips of you on YouTube and it wasn't until I was
driving home
From that recording and my phone just filled with hundreds of emails that I
realized oh wow
This is a serious phenomenon that I was not aware of
And now I see it's just become huge
It's a weird thing dude. It it's uh, it's got the wheel. I just sort of have to
show up
It's a very strange and it sounds like
False modesty or something like that, but I'm just being totally honest like
this thing does itself
I think a lot of it might have to do with the long form
Yes, people are so used to seeing people's opinions
Condensed and filtered into these sound bites and snippets and to hear an
extended conversation with someone where they can actually tell stories and
articulate
Their opinions in a nuanced careful way is so rare. I agree
It's one of the reasons why I don't do those shows anymore like panel shows and
things like that. It's just so frustrating. Oh, it's insane
I have very little experience with that sort of thing, but I did dr. Oz
Yes, and I don't know how any normal person could function in that sort of
environment. I mean I have a TV show so arguably I'm
Well trained for that sort of thing but unless you're an actor who's prepared a
line to say as soon as they point at you
There's no way that you could function because it's not a genuine conversation
It's just an opportunity to launch one sentence sound bites and an audience
applause
Yeah, and also the audience is such a strange element to add to a conversation
I mean if you and I were having this conversation exactly in this with this
room, but
To the left of us is an enormous group of people we feel weird. We would have
to address them
We'd have to turn to them. It would be odd following illuminated applause and
laughter signs. God
Those are the weirdest when there's always the warm-up guy who's like, okay,
everybody
We're coming back from break coming back from break and they hold up the sign
applause applause applause and everybody goes crazy and they create the worst
environment
I was on this
Discussion about Kratom are you familiar with this? I'm on it right now. Oh,
wow. Yeah, I just took some I fucked my knee up the other day
I did something and it's been stiff and painful
So I iced it before I came here and then I just took took six of them see what
happens
Wow, it's like ten once wolf ten 11 capsules. Yeah, I don't know how much I don't
know
Can you grab that bag? There's a bag that's sitting right on the sink. I'll
tell you exactly what's in it
But now I get why people might think it's a drug
What is a drug? Yeah for sure. But when I took four I was like well, I took two
for the first time
I took it. I took two and a couple times I took two and like this is like a
mild stimulant
But then when you get into the range of eight to ten pills, it's like oh this
this will fuck you up this stuff
the stuff I take is urban ice organics and
See it says it says take two
It doesn't say the amount of material in the capsule
What does it say there 750 milligrams?
Okay, so not quite a gram
Not quite a gram. All right. It seems like a
reasonable amount, but they always construct these things in these ridiculous
dramatic oppositions like it was me versus a woman whose son had died of some
Kratom associated
Overdose and you know, it turns into a thing like what do you have to say to
this woman whose son died?
It's like I don't know, you know, there are people that die from caffeine overdoses
as well
It's tragic that this happens. Have people died from this? Yes, they have you
have to take an enormous amount
I mean, I think a lot of people set up these unrealistic expectations with
these drugs where they if they like a drug
They want to say it's impossible right to kill anyone. It's impossible. There's
no possible way if you set that as your
Standard you'll always fail because people will die
Doing absolutely everything running having sex defecating aspirin aspirin
absolutely there's nothing in this world that can't find its way into a human
death
So if people want to say and even you know cannabis
Obviously people say you can't overdose on cannabis and essentially you can't
but if you look in the medical literature
There are a number of these cannabis associated fatalities, you know, you can
debate them endlessly
But the point is once a drug enters a large enough population there'll be a
number of sensitive individuals and someone will die
It doesn't mean that the drug is dangerous
It means that it's unrealistic to set a standard where if anything bad happens
to anyone we have to decide that the drug is dangerous and should be banned
Yeah, I agree. I mean look water kills people. There's a lot of these
hazing things where the fraternity kids will be asked to drink a shit ton of
water and
people have died from and a woman died in San Jose a few years back from a
Contest to drink water to get her son like an xbox or something like that. Yeah.
Yeah
I mean, there's a lot of things that are lethal
But the LD50 for cannabis is like I mean you literally have to smoke your body
weight or something, right?
It's something crazy. It would be very difficult
Yeah, but it doesn't mean that you couldn't get so high that you did something
really stupid and wind up dying
Right. Yeah, especially dependent upon the person and the
You know biological variabilities
Right, right. Exactly. And it's just I think it's also just a sort of a bad
road to go down
People always want to emphasize the safety of things, but in my opinion safety
isn't the point
It doesn't ultimately matter to me whether or not something is safe
I think we should have the freedom to do dangerous things if we choose we're
allowed to ride motorcycles
We're allowed to shoot guns
You're allowed to go skydiving and bungee jumping all those things carry risks
But it's assumed that any adult that does them is aware of those risks. Yeah, I
couldn't agree more
I mean, it's it's also who is if the society that we live in was just you and I
We were the only two people alive
Who are you to tell me what I can do or me to tell you what you can do?
It's ridiculous. And so when you have grown adults telling a grown adult who's
informed what they can and can't do
Then it becomes a question of children
Well, then it becomes a an education issue and it becomes a parental issue
I mean, it's just you can't lie to your children about the effects of certain
drugs because then they're not going to believe you about
The really actual the actual dangerous ones
Right
And this is of course reflected in the the so-called opioid epidemic yes right
now
Yes, there's endless finger pointing everyone wants to find a culprit that's
behind all of it
And the easiest person to blame of course are pharmaceutical companies because
everybody hates pharmaceutical companies
So why not blame them right but you know, and i'm not pro
Pharmaceutical by any stretch of the imagination, but i'm also not anti-pharmaceutical
either and
When you look at the way for example, the new york times is covering the opioid
epidemic
It's always in this tone of like documents were uncovered that show that
Executives at purdue pharma were aware that morphine was addictive as early as
1999
It's like
Well, of course
Of course, they were aware people have known that morphine is addictive for
hundreds of years
This is old news and this whole idea that doctors were convinced by some letter
in the new england journal of medicine that said that
Oxycontin isn't addictive is absurd
These are all morphine derivatives any adult especially a medically trained
adult should know that
No matter what little variation you make on that molecule if it's structurally
and pharmacologically and qualitatively similar to morphine
Of course, it's going to be addictive and that in of itself isn't even a bad
thing
It should be okay to give people addictive drugs as well as long as everyone's
aware of the risks as long as they understand a protocol to get off of it
The you you know, there's so many people that
Get on these things and then wind up taking them far longer than they're
supposed to because it's easy to get hooked
I mean we need to at least have some sort of responsible
Direction that these people need to go to to get off of them once they're on
them because people that get back operations
Any anything where they prescribe you?
High doses of opiates. It's a huge problem. I know many many people that have
gotten hooked because of it
And in fact, I should tell you that my good friend justin wren
His wife found out about kratom because of you because of your show
He um had a problem with his shoulder got shoulder soldier surgery
They put him on oxycontins. He was fucked up on them
And he was having a really hard time getting off and having the shakes really
bad
And kratom is the only thing that got him off of it
Right, and that's not surprising. I mean this has been known for a very long
time in thailand
And that was actually the reason that it was originally prohibited. I don't
know if you're aware of that
But because the government taxed opium
Um and people started using kratom
Then they made kratom illegal is that the right way to say it because people
say kratom
You're the only one i've heard say kratom people in it's a thai word people in
thailand call it kratom
So people in the u.s. Call it kratom
It's i it's also they have you know, it's maybe it's like kratom
So they're not going to go that far, but kratom is closer if you did it would
be weird
But I feel as you know, yeah, like american people that say ecuador
Argentina, but it is kratom. Yeah kratom. Okay, so we'll try to call it or
something close to that
It's closer to that than kratom
Right. And so the reason why I was made illegal was because of the fact that it
was pinching some of the profits off of the opium trade
Yes, wow. Yeah, that's fucked up
And so this has been known for a long time that it helps people get off more
addictive opioids and
How does it do that?
Well, it's an opioid itself and a lot of people don't want to admit or
acknowledge that
But I think we need to get beyond this idea that drugs are inherently bad or
opioids are inherently bad
Just because the ones that we're aware of have a lot of problems, you know
in some sense medicinal chemistry and pharmacology and all this are still in a
very primitive state and there's so much to be learned
So we're mostly giving people these derivatives of morphine that have been
around for a hundred years
And there are better things we're going to continuously discover less addictive
Treatments for pain and I think that the alkaloids in kratom are a step in that
direction and which is
So tragic that they're trying to now make it illegal because this is something
that as far as I can tell has genuinely helped
An enormous number of people reduce their intake of more addictive and more
dangerous opioids
Well, one of the things that I felt I mean and again, my dose was not extremely
high but
When I was on it, I was very coherent. I was clear. It was clear to me that I
was affected by something
But uh, it felt kind of good. It didn't feel bad. It felt, uh, 