Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1173 - Geoffrey Miller
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1173 - Geoffrey Miller' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2018-09-25. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1173 - Geoffrey Miller

four three two one jeffrey hey hey joe thanks for being here man appreciate it
it's my pleasure
and honor and uh on the day where bill cosby goes to the bokeh crazy sad story
that uh sad for some
people happy for others sad that he's only going away for i wonder if that's a
death sentence for
a man at his age essentially it is right he's like 81 or something like that it'd
be weird if justice
took into account like your health status and awarding right i think they have
done that though
didn't they do that with that guy who was speaker hasert who was speaker of the
house who was convicted
for molesting a large number of boys when he was a wrestling coach oh yeah do
you remember that man
yeah yeah 15 months 15 months imagine they might i mean that's that's pure
insanity in a wheelchair
when he was yeah it could have been well there's there's no way if he was a 25
year old able-bodied
man who had done the exact same thing he would have gone to jail for 15 months
for uh admitting
to molest a large number of kids who were under his care when he was a he was a
wrestling coach right
i think so that sounds right yeah yeah oh he was the guy the movie was made of
no no that was a different guy no that was dupont okay dupont was not a child
molester he was just
a psychopath who uh hired wrestlers to come live with him and wrestle with him
yeah remember that
yeah yeah i know one of them the one of the main guy the movie they the uh the
the the two brothers
uh dave and mark schultz fantastic uh wrestlers who were completely misrepresented
in the movie they
made him out to be like involved in this weird gay relationship with him and
doing cocaine and all
they added all sorts of shit to that movie very weird how they do that screenwriters
you got to
dramatize it i guess his sentence wasn't for child abuse why that's why it wasn't
that it says this
says the judge said it would have been higher he would have gotten more if the
statutes didn't run
out the limitation for accident in the 1960s and 70s ran out so the judge noted
the punishment for such
a conviction would have been far worse i think he actually got convicted for
bank transactions
keeping stuff secret oh wow yeah had to pay fines statutes of limitations yeah
mm-hmm so we were talking about bill cosby that uh psychology professors and
experts were
obviously stating that he had some sort of problem
yeah i mean it's weird because the media will um have a certain narrative they
want to promote
and they'll sort of find the psychologist who will say the thing that fits that
yeah so i think most clinical psychologists would say i've never talked to the
guy i'm not going to
try to diagnose him from a distance right i i have no idea what his condition
is or what his issue is
but then there's the handful who are willing to kind of stick their necks out
and say something
and man it's embarrassing to be a psych professor for that reason because you're
you're always kind
of being represented publicly by the people who are kind of being least
professional
yeah about those kind of diagnoses that is a real problem today isn't it like
in terms of uh identity
politics and this this inclination to draw conclusions and to lean towards one
side or
the other instead of just looking at the actual situation objectively and if
you're not talking to him i mean
i'm assuming bill cosby's a terrible piece of shit as a human being that's what
i'm assuming by looking
all this but i've never talked to the man i don't know what kind of crazy shit
he's got going on in
his head but if all these women are telling the truth and seems super unlikely
that they're all lying
yeah i mean was there like there's over 50 of them right with the same story
yeah well he's got a deep dark streak that's for sure um i mean the weird thing
is though a lot of
people who are successful have a little bit of that dark streak they have a
little bit of that
sociopathy like yeah they can kind of step back from normal human relations and
they can
either turn it into you know abuse and exploitation like cosby did or they can
kind of civilize themselves right and they can harness that to do something
that's good and and where
they're kind of using their ability to take a different viewpoint on things
yeah to um
analyze human behavior or invent things or or you know propose new policies or
whatever and
um so i think that kind of dark streak you know if you have it you have to
recognize it
and and kind of tame it and work with it and the people who do i think can
often do great things for
society and the people who don't end up in jail well this is one of the reasons
why i wanted to bring
this up to you as an evolutionary psych professor looking at the human mind and
looking at behavior
patterns and what's clearly some sort of i i hesitate to call crime an
addiction but it seems like an
addictive pattern that he has that there's a comp compulsion to doing this to
people that's not as
simple as he wants women to have sex with them they don't want to have sex with
them so he drugs them
i don't think it's that simple i think there's some getting away with it thing
there's got to be
some he's better than everyone thing because he's you know he's royalty in the
in terms of like
hollywood in terms of show business in terms of stand-up comedy he's always
been treated as royalty
i mean he's been allowed to essentially criticize anyone he wants it's rarely
is there a rebuttal
to the the things that he says and you know he's been criticizing the black
community for its use of
bad words and for its use of sexually explicit language and and depictions and
meanwhile the entire
time he's raping people i mean it's amazing i think one thing that might happen
is if you've got this
public image as being like squeaky clean family values and you've got the
burden of kind of being
a moral exemplar like that you know just like um televangelists right or
anybody who who has a big
religious following like the pressure to be good all the time i think can kind
of tip people into this
the thrill of transgression i imagine could be quite quite kind of addictive
and i think that's a real
danger and i think that's that kind of hypocrisy is why we should be really
careful about kind of
idolizing anybody yeah to that degree kind of morally and putting that burden
on them yeah i mean i could
only imagine like being an evangelist and being someone who who preached about
the word of god but
meanwhile having this weird hooker thing like uh do you remember what was his
name ted he
he ran a giant church in i believe it was colorado and the entire time i used
to have a bit about him
the entire time he was smoking meth and having sex with gay prostitutes and all
the while he was going
on about it's always the guys who go on about how awful gay people are that are
secretly gay it's so common
there's a little research on that i mean it's not definitive but it looks like
a lot of ted hagerty
like boom haggard haggard there's a lot of people a lot of guys who are pretty
like outspokenly
homophobic yeah and like you put them in a sex research situation and see what
actually rouses them
like if you show them straight or gay porn right and you have a plethysmograph
and you you sense what what
as a what the graph what is this is my graph what is that senses blood flow in
the penis oh boy i need
one of those i need one let's just have it in the background of every podcast
but when you come to
the podcast you got to put these electrodes on your penis and then we're just
going to talk about
japanese vomit porn and tentacles well the plethysmographs don't lie because
the graphs don't lie not the heart the heart lies not those plethysmographs
so yeah the people who are often you know most hostile to something yeah have
some some little
issue inside that right is creating some conflict yeah i mean it only makes
sense the the the conflicted
thoughts of the human being who has this ideal of who they'd like to project
and what they'd like
people to think they are meanwhile has this thing below the surface that is
literally everything they
despise and everything they rally against and that is their their true nature
yeah god it's got to be
the awfulest feeling i mean i've known several guys who are closeted gay men
and it's it's a awful
existence they just live in this perpetual state of just angst and unease and
meanwhile god i just think
for the most part especially if you live in an urban environment most part
people don't give a anymore
this is almost a self-imposed prison and the people that do give a they're the
real problem
you know the the the people who are not gay who really care if someone's gay
unless they're trying to do a cause beyond you like why do you care
yeah i look if somebody wants to be in the closet about their their sexuality
like
they want to be discreet for professional reasons or because investors would
panic or whatever
like that's totally cool but i think it is so hard to be authentic to yourself
like it's okay to sort of acknowledge i have this sexuality or these predilections
and and it's
up to me to kind of harness them and deal with them and and manage them and if
you want to do that
privately that's that's cool we should have that freedom yes but if you don't
work out those little
demons and if you can't acknowledge what's authentic i think that's where you
get these problems like the
cosby case yeah and i believe there's a difference between discretion not
wanting to discuss your
sexuality and out and out hypocrisy these are completely different things it's
one thing like
you said like say if a guy's a ceo of some major corporation and he happens to
be gay and he's just
not interested in all the political nonsense and all the social nonsense that
goes along with discussing
that yeah he's like i'm just gonna keep it discreet that makes sense like why
should he have to
but if he lies to his friends you know like or if he goes on the attack in
media yes that is yes
damnation hail fire yeah we are so strange um as as a race and i i i have
talked many times about how
bizarre it is that we've become really comfortable with seeing people have sex
like on phones and and
you know ipads and laptops i mean it is such a massive part of internet
consumption yeah but yet so dirty
and so forbidden if someone comes in the room you're watching you slam the
laptop shut in in disgust
total embarrassment it's really weird yeah well it's weird on so many levels
like i don't do research
on whatever the psychology of porn but i know people who do and the fact that
you can study it and everyone
watches it but you can't even show clips at a scientific conference wow of what
people are
watching is kind of bizarre a second thing that's bizarre is if you'd ask
people
seven years ago you know in the 50s or whatever what do you think will happen
if there's unlimited free
online pornography that is every possible genre of humans of all sexes
interacting with each other in
including cartoon dragons and whatever they would go civilization will have
fallen like it would be
chaos it that sounds post-apocalyptic and and yet we're living in that era and
people are still
driving their kids to school and they seem fine like morally judgmental about
politics and our
ability to compartmentalize is kind of awe-inspiring actually yeah it really is
um but it's also
our ability to adjust to the times is kind of awe-inspiring too yeah you think
about the
different like i've often talked about uh when i was in high school is i was in
high school in 1981
was my freshman year of high school and that was literally around the time the
vh1 tape was
introduced into modern america was that what was the what was the exact year vh1
tapes were invented
we got them in my house i think in 82 like maybe i was a sophomore which is
right when you're about
the horniest and that's that's when porn made it into people's houses and you
had to go through
those beads in the vi