Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1175 - Chris Kresser & Dr. Joel Kahn
Uploaded: 2018-09-28T01:19:50.000Z
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1175 - Chris Kresser & Dr. Joel Kahn' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2018-09-28. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1175 - Chris Kresser & Dr. Joel Kahn

five four three two one gentlemen thank you very much for being here really
appreciate it
dr khan uh before we get started why don't you tell everybody what your
background is uh you
will be representing the vegan portion of this discussion uh tell people about
yourself a little
bit thank you i feel like the head broccoli in the united states today but i am
from motown motor
city badass uh born and raised university of michigan school of medicine summa
cum laude
internal medicine training cardiology training in dallas texas very hard to be
vegan in dallas but
i did it in the 80s because i've been doing this 42 year vegan 42 years vegan
thank you that's
impressive age 18 and then uh kansas city missouri another tough town to eat
plants in only the
steakhouse casey masterpiece did uh training and stenting i was blasting open
heart attacks from
1990 on came back to michigan very active cath lab heart attack you're dead i
bring you back
practice 24 hours a day with great partners and about three to four years ago i
used all these decades of
plant-based medicine i've been basically bringing my family up with and
teaching patients but opened a
completely preventive cardiology practice and along the way with my wife and
son we now own three plant-based
restaurants two in detroit one in austin texas write books do tv write blogs
teach teach teach not going
to stop them 150 because there's a lot of erectile dysfunction to stamp out
that's my passion that oh
my god what else what better purpose in life um well okay we can get to that
heart heart disease is
somewhere in that mix too okay and uh if people want to read more about you
website is yeah uh d-r-j-o-e-l-k-a-h-n
dr joel kind of and you've written a ton of books right five books a bunch of
medical papers a whole
lot of blogs awesome and chris yeah chris kresser um i did my undergrad at uc
berkeley and um then got
a master's of science and um co-director of the california center for
functional medicine which is a
functional medicine clinic in in here in california up in berkeley and uh i
came to this from my own
experience with chronic illness i as as you know joe got really sick back in my
early 20s when i was
traveling around the world and uh you know conventional medicine didn't have
much to offer for me and so
that led me on a path of trying to figure out the best approach from a diet and
behavior and lifestyle
perspective to heal from my own chronic illness and then that evolved into um
me starting to
write you know i started a blog and a website and then um wrote a couple of
books and now have
an organization that trains practitioners in functional medicine and also
trains health coaches
and you at one point in time were vegan i was a macrobiotic vegan i was apprenticing
with a
macrobiotic uh chef so what's the difference between a macrobiotic vegan for
folks and a regular vegan
uh it macrobiotic is a particular philosophy it's a particular approach that
came from japan and um
it's vegan but it's it's you know it's heavily influenced by japanese uh
tradition and cuisine and
it has some kind of different beliefs than a typical vegan approach so i was uh
when i was originally
studying chinese medicine i was working and apprenticing with a macrobiotic
vegan
chef and we were going around cooking for people who are really ill often
people with cancer who
are following a macrobiotic diet and before that i had been a vegetarian for
quite a while as
well what when i was traveling around the world and got sick actually i was i
was vegetarian at that
point too and you discovered through your own personal what are you doing over
there buddy
and you discovered over there through your own uh personal practice that you
your body worked better
and your illnesses uh went away when you changed your diet away from macrobiotic
yeah for me personally um vegetarian diet and particularly vegan diet was a
disaster
um but i'm just one person i don't put a lot of stock into you know a single
person's experience one way or the
other but certainly that did lead me down the path of questioning some of my
earlier beliefs that i had
about vegetarianism and veganism and it led me to make some different choices
and that is important to
discuss here that everybody's body really is different and different people's
bodies and lifestyles
they're going to have different requirements absolutely i mean i i would say
just to start off
this whole discussion if we're trying to answer the question what's the optimal
diet for everyone
i think that's a terrible question yeah and it's an unanswerable question uh we
share a lot in common
as human beings but we have a lot of important differences too and from the
beginning i've always
argued that there's no one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to diet um but
i think there are some
common themes and we can i'm sure we'll get to those later yeah i think that's
really important right
it's really important to discuss that people really do have different
requirements yeah and i mean we'll
get in the mud a little bit as we need to but we also chris and i share a lot
in common i mean one if
we ate together it would probably be 90 the same we both are really respectful
of what we call functional
medicine root cause medicine i don't write scripts without thinking about the
patient he certainly
doesn't do that without thinking about the entire patient it's pretty unusual
and we're going to represent a
very small section i i honor what he's doing with his new book on conventional
medicine the rest you
know that is what is happening throughout medicine um and it's necessary
because it just we're just
running out of dollars and and health when we're just pushing pills and not
even asking a person what
they eat how they sleep you know the whole thing you know we're real people
yeah we know that we all
agree on this yeah but it's still rare joe i mean this is to have you know this
is pretty rare segment i
don't know that two percent of the people in america will have a patient leave
the office and
actually ask what they ate today you know yeah i mean it's true it doesn't
happen let me say one
more thing about this though because i think you hit on a really important
point and i'm glad you did
did it right off the bat the biggest problem with nutritional research epidemiology
is that it starts
with the assumption that there is one diet for everybody that's that's
something that's rarely discussed
but it's it's this idea that you know should everyone be on a low carb diet
should everyone be on a high
carb you know low fat or uh low fat diet you know should everyone do this
should everyone do that and
the whole um you know there's a uh a guy in australia professor who calls calls
this approach nutritionism
this idea that we can reduce foods down into these individual components just
like macronutrients you know
protein fat carbohydrates and we can figure out um what works best for everyone
just by looking at these
isolated components without considering the whole context of the diet so i
think you know joel would
agree that if you talk about a diet that's 50 calories and fat and one diet is
they're getting all of
those fat calories from pizza and chips and candy bars and things like that and
then another diet they're
getting 50 of fat from avocados and olive oil and uh even you know eggs and
animal foods those are two
totally different diets and yet in the scientific literature those are equated
as the same because
they're all they're looking at is the calories from fat they're not considering
the quality of the diet
and others add in and again we go anywhere with this conversation but a lot of
the problem has been
imprecision of language so even the word low carb diet i eat a low carb diet if
we talk low refined carbs
i don't eat white flour i don't eat sugar i'm very careful about all those
components i eat a very
high complex carbohydrate diet so well vegetables a giant study that's been
released last year's
the pure study talks about carbs in the diet they didn't differentiate complex
and refined very hard
to know what to do with data that doesn't spread that apart and in your own
life i mean low fat high
fat i mean we need to talk about is it soybean oil that's you know processed
and rancid are we talking about
avocados and uh you know healthy whole foods so the precision of language even
protein protein the big
divide is animal versus plant so anytime that word comes up we need to
differentiate what you know be
precise and then we'll help more people if we're precise yeah and if you can
just to illuminate this
for people what is the problem with epidemiology studies oh boy you know i'll
go there real quick i mean i
don't think there's a problem but they're a part of the solution they're not
the whole solution
a lot of scientists i'll give a shout out to los angeles brightest nutrition
mind and somebody that i
know chris honors to valter longo no label not vegan not paleo not nothing he's
at usc been honored by
the royal academy of swedish medicine which is a nobel prize committee and this
that um he says you know
you do basic science and then you do an epidemiology study to test the
hypothesis you see something in a
petri dish you see something in a mouse you see something in a cell you ask the
question is animal
protein pro longevity pro early aging do you mind explaining epidemiology
studies to people so you
would take that concept i'll just run with that that you know you um you look
at uh an amino acid
found in animal protein throw it out methionine and leucine in a petri dish
looks like it might cause
accelerated aging in a single cell that's biochemistry that is something you
honor but it's a long jump
from there to human then you look at a database sometimes it's a crappy old
database sometimes it's
harvard has these gigantic ongoing database loma linda an hour from here has a
gigantic database and
there's others epic study this pure study i mentioned you can test the
hypothesis of what happens if our
data may be crappy but it's still data and it allows you to go further with a
hundred thousand people
50 000 people 500 000 people can we do we have the data to ask the question
does protein correlate with
survival protein correlate with early death animal protein plant protein these
studies have been coming
out a lot lately and they let you parse it out now it's what you know chris
talks about do you know
everything about the person in the database do you know smoke or do you know
diabetes do they go to the
gym to lift weights they smoke dope do they smoke crack you know you don't know
everything nowadays most of
these things you're going to ask are your blood pressure cholesterol all the
basics to try and
take those factors away and isolate the question you're asking it will be
imperfect and then you go
to the best study but it won't it won't happen often the randomized clinical
trial i mean there's never
been a randomized clinical trial smoking because that'd be unethical you're
never going to do it it was
epidemiology that proved an association strong enough to recommend to the
public don't smoke there'll
never be a randomized trial and not everything parachutes don't need a
randomized trial you know
you know taking folic acid and a pregnant woman to not have spinal bifida doesn't
need a randomized
trial i mean there's some things are so pressing the public health can't allow
that and there's even
more than that the last little section is you can study old people chris enjoys
studying ancient societies
i enjoy studying the elderly in current you know modern uh environment which is
called the blue zones
and there's others but you know what do old people do the old healthy people
what we would like to be
would you like to be 90 and have your brains and have your joints and
everything working well we have
that database so that little four uh pod uh pedestal to sit on basic epidemiology
randomized studies and
centenaria