Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1241 - Sam Harris
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1241 - Sam Harris' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2019-02-08. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1241 - Sam Harris

five four three two hello sam harris hey man good to see you happy to be here i
listened to
your podcast with jack let's just get right into the jump in the jack stuff
yeah because i listened
to your podcast with jack and i found something very when i did my podcast with
jack first of all
was not anticipating the blowback that i received it was stunning uh but um he
what what i thought
was i was just going to have a conversation with this guy be fun see what it's
like to run this
gigantic network that helps people communicate you okay jimmy all right helps
people communicate
and distribute information worldwide what is it like to start something like
that up and have it
become what it is like how have you managed to try to keep up with it and what
have the headaches been
and right apparently people online particularly the people that want to comment
about this all they
wanted to know about was censorship and that was an issue with me there was a
question with me
but it became a far it was a far bigger question for people online they felt
like that i tossed him
softball questions um and that i didn't press him yeah and then i listened to
your podcast and uh one
thing about jack is very smart guy very nice guy but he talks in a very slow
and methodical way and when
you ask him a question he takes these routes and if you don't want to jump in
and press him like you're in
this weird situation where he's not totally answering your question but he's
talking about the same
subject that you're talking like for instance you brought up lewis farrakhan
right like how is lewis
farrakhan in good standing on the platform and someone like you know fill in
the blank milo yiannopoulos
or laura loomer or whoever it was they get kicked off he never got to that he
went around and around and
around with you yeah and um he recognized this after the podcast uh i received
a lot of blowback he
received a lot of blowback so i contacted him and he said he would be more than
happy to come back on
again and address all these things and i said okay what i'd like to do is
address specific instances of
people being censored and he said okay what i'll do is i'll bring in someone
from the company that's in
charge of that stuff right so i'm starting to put together a picture of what it's
like to be a ceo
of something as big and he's also a ceo of square he's runs the cash app there's
a lot of stuff going
on there right so he's obviously busy how much day-to-day involvement does he
actually have and who gets
censored and why they get censored and how much is he willing to share about
that so we're going to
find out in the next follow-up podcast but i got accused of everything from
being a shill
to being a cuck to being uh and there's also an issue that you've managed to
avoid wisely so
of advertising the cash apps and advertisers are on my podcast so because the
cash apps and advertisers
are on my podcast right the man had you by the throat exactly yeah you think
didn't ask all those
great questions that were queued up the reality is uh those are the questions i
would have asked
now that's hard to say because no one's going to believe it but those are the
questions i would have
asked and i tried not to be too confrontational with a guest but in hindsight i
probably could
have pressed more particularly on people like kathy griffin calling for doxing
for the the kid with
the maga hat on with the native american there was there's quite a few but i
noticed that well what
was your experience like with it yeah so it's interesting because you and i
have uh we had different
interviews because they were timed differently i mean it's this it's an
interesting topic because
this opens the door to all the ways in which our podcasts are different i mean
they may you stream
live i sit on my podcast for at least a week so i mean in jack's case it was
like two weeks before i
released it so um i did my interview with him before this flurry of interviews
with him came out i mean
there's a rolling stone interview there was a uh i think only i think maybe a huffington
post interview
had come out but basically there was nothing out there so i had no real
examples of how he dealt
with these questions um or how he talked yeah yeah well i mean slow talking is
not a problem for me
because i'm one of the great slow talkers so so we're we're in a groove there
uh but he um
i i didn't know what his boilerplate was and and how he would he would answer
any of these questions
and uh your podcast came out before mine did but mine would mine was before the
covington high school
catholic oh wow circus happened right so the the real missed opportunity for me
was just a sheer
matter of timing like i you know because the covington thing put such a fine
point on everything
that's wrong with twitter and the way journalism interacts with it right and it
was it just you know
i think it was uh farhad manju wrote a an op-ed the new york times saying
twitter has destroyed
journalism and and and it was not a crazy op-ed in fact uh after the covington
thing and the whole
you know and then kathy griffin would have been the perfect example to talk
about about like well you
know why is she still on if she's calling for the doxing right yeah but you
know i i think i had a
substantially similar interview with him that you did uh because he's there's
two things one is he's
great at sort of pirouetting around the the the the sharp pointed question of
you know what is the
policy and why why are you applying it in this seemingly disparate way uh and
it seems to skew
politically in one direction all the time right uh but you know i think you
also i mean you know i did
and i think you did naturally we cut him some slack in that he's the ceo of
these two corporations he
can't be expected to actually know what happened in every one of these micro
cases like i think i
brought up the case of i think her name is megan murphy i mean i hadn't even
heard of her before
that's the lesbian woman that she was like a feminist who said sort of the
wrong thing in the
transgender space she said something like men are not women right right and she
got banned
and for life or no i think it was temporary but you know so i raised it and you
know he
he obviously can't know exactly what happened in that case or at least it would
be surprising to me
if he knew so the fact that he doesn't have his finger on each one of these
cases and what the what
the rationale was and he has this sort of generic answer that what you're
seeing you know in public
is not necessarily what we're seeing in fact in in virtually every actionable
case is not what we're
seeing in private with respect to how these people are opening opening multiple
accounts and doing
seemingly nefarious stuff behind the scenes now whether that is true i don't
know but i mean i can
just say that jack seemed um one i i liked him and he seemed unusually open to
talking about anything i
wanted to talk about and so i saw one allegation that got hurled at you was
that you know you must
have been constrained by you know the topics you couldn't touch in advance you
must have had some
agreement with him in advance you know it didn't happen with me right now i
should address that there
was no no discussion whatsoever about what was off limits yeah there's no
nothing and he asked for
no so in my case i tell all my guests and this is the difference between you
streaming live and me
not i tell all my guests listen if at any point in this interview you put your
foot in your mouth or i
put my foot in there we can edit it right like we i want you i want you to be
totally happy with what
you say over the next two or three hours uh so if you have to take something
again take it again
and you know we'll just hide the seams as we go now that virtually never
happens right and in jack's
case it there wasn't even a wrinkle like that so um but you know i just you
know i i recognize it's
a high wire act for a lot of these people especially for someone who's running
two publicly traded
companies right and um you know i was so when i invited him on i said i said
jack you know
we were dm'ing on twitter and i said listen i promise i'm not going to make you
smoke a blunt
on video and that that got him so i don't know how you got him but i didn't try
to get him to
smoke a blunt i didn't even think about it yeah we weren't drinking we were
just talking maybe it
would have been better if we were drinking because it did seem very stiff um i
listened to it after
the fact and i mean i get from their anticipation why it would be disappointing
i just thought it was
kind of boring i thought my podcast with him just wasn't very good i sometimes
do too many podcasts
and when i sometimes do too many podcasts i think i run low on juice and i'm
not as uh i don't know
i'm not as engaged or i'm not as fired up about it and maybe i just should have
i definitely should
have prepared more for him but i really thought it was just going to be a
conversation about what
it's like and i thought that would be really easy to do yeah because it's such
a unique position
to be running something like twitter but he you know i don't know if he was evasive
in because he
didn't know the things or because he didn't want to talk about the things but
there was things like
he didn't know exactly why alex jones was ultimately banned he didn't he couldn't
recall or
didn't know no is that because he couldn't recall was because he didn't want to
talk about it or is it
because he didn't remember it i mean i don't know i mean you'd have to you'd
have to be inside his head
to get that answer yeah i mean he he's clearly got a a very practiced line that
he uses to answer
these questions and i mean because i you know i know what it's like to have
boilerplate now you know
i've been on a book tour and you're just basically getting asked the same
questions again and again
and here he's getting asked fairly pointed questions about you know where
twitter's going and
he's got you know i don't think this is dishonest i just think but it has this
amazing ability to
close the door to further inquiry because he he gives you the full mea culpa
right up front you ask
like what's what's the situation with you know the seemingly asymmetrical banning
of people
and he'll say you know yeah we really i mean we've got to get much better at
communicating our
process we're not nearly transparent enough this whole thing is in disarray and
my job is to fix it
right so it's like a global you know we're fucked up and we're going to get
better i promise you right
yeah and that doesn't do any good for the people that already banned right but
especially but there's
not a lot to get beyond that in an interview you know yes so it's it worked
whether you know i don't
think it's nefarious i think it could well be totally honest uh but it does
have this this effect
of you just keep reaching a sort of brick wall that you know was going to be
there you know yeah that's
i felt that too and i didn't didn't really navigate that very well and that was
a big part of the
blowback but then the blowback was accentuated when they found out that he
sponsors me right because
the catch app is one of his businesses and it sponsors the podcast yeah yeah
well i had a very
similar result and i don't have that that problem so it's you know that i don't
think that diagnosis
your situation at all but it's very interesting the difference between these
business the business
models under which we run our podcasts and um just the different i mean just
every choice you make
and how to produce a podcast i essentially have made the opposite one you know
like streaming live
like this um the fact that you're so this is just all very interesting to me
because i i'm i'm kind
of a reluctant student of digital media now because i've just kind of stumbled
into this wild west that
you know you in large part have invented right i mean this podcasting space was
nothing and 