Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1248 - Bill Ottman
Uploaded: 2019-02-20T02:20:11.000Z
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1248 - Bill Ottman' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2019-02-20. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1248 - Bill Ottman

five four three two one legit hello bill hey man what's going on here you are
here yes with a book
you got a book of shit i got you come prepared i mean yeah i'm trying to write
i'm trying to get
back into handwriting uh for people don't know bill is the ceo and co-founder
of minds.com and
we've been going back and forth through email and you got hoaxed by some dude
who said he was joey
diaz it did happen he really believed like joey's been on my network and i'm
like
he was messaging me messaging me in joey's voice yeah like basically cloning it
like there's weird
people out there yeah well that's not hard to do yeah you know yeah you watch
enough joey
basically just cloning his his tweets cocksucker yeah yeah yeah yeah every monday
morning or so
there's a there's a tweet about someone needs to suck your dick
they need to suck your dick you need to let them know that's uh on the regular
um what's the notes
man just some ramblings from this morning yeah yeah important stuff it's
actually the first thing
that i uh i've written in this notebook i've not been doing handwriting much at
all in the last
years probably mostly digital which is not good because i actually majored in
english
yeah you definitely lose your ability to write words it's funny i tried writing
in um i for whatever
reason i write mostly in all caps you know because i just mostly just write
notes but i tried writing
with like lowercase letters and then i tried writing in cursive and my cursive
is like it's almost like
i have to relearn it yeah i was finding just like trailing off at the end of
certain words but i
blend it all together you what i blend it all together with capital and lowercase
oh why you do that i mean well just as a normal person would proper grammar
i thought you were just mixing them up randomly no no okay though i did write
my uh college thesis in
all lowercase why typed i don't know we protesting yeah kind of it was stupid
it's like a cool move
right i'm not going to use any uppercase who cares man there's weird like post-modern
theory about
like capitalization and that's kind of what i was talking about i got a little
bit indoctrinated
at uvm really yeah yeah they're like they this one class was called critical
theory which one is
you what is uvm vermont vermont yeah oh vermont is like yeah super social
justicey right
and and paved with good intentions yeah yeah they have great ice cream up there
too
nice folks but like this one class was called critical theory and we had to
watch buffy the
vampire slayer and apply like marxist theory to it to show how like it's the
rise up of the lower
class it's like you're forced to write these papers in like a certain way yeah
yeah what are they trying
to prove class division class division yeah in buffy the vampire slayer it's
there there's like books
and books written about buffy the vampire slayer what marxism yeah come on not
kidding really yep
what do they have to say
i don't remember
it's amazing i mean i'm sure you're aware of uh james lindsey and peter bogosian
and
and what is it the woman's name yes helen shit i didn't meet her unfortunately
um the grieving
studies hoaxes that they submitted a bunch of uh fake studies to these uh
journals and not only got
reviewed but got lauded and praised for their academic scholarship yeah that i
think that stemmed from this
guy sokol who first trolled a lot of the postmodern journals and he was the
first and so it's called a
sokol hoax to do that kind of trolling it's hard to figure out who's who right
it's hard to figure
out what's the hoax i got uh tricked by that there's this one thing called the
postmodernism generator
online it's a computer that writes articles that puts all of this fancy
language together and i
someone sent it to me and i showed it to my teacher and i was like oh this is
this is saying something
pretty interesting but it was it was of course yeah yeah what do you uh you
know what do you make of
all this hoaxing you've been hoaxed twice then that you've just admitted in the
first minute of the
show i mean i think that you sort of have to have the right to to hoax to hoax
yeah to be wrong
to mess up well that's not messing up that's deceiving people true um but you
kind of have
the right to do that too you kind of have the right to troll yeah you don't
have the right to impersonate
but i have the right to get uh trolled and be wrong well you don't have the
right to impersonate like
you can't have a verified account and pretend you're joey diaz oh no of course
not but harmless trolling
like that guy did to you isn't that kind of like part of freedom yeah yeah yeah
just like taking down
disinfo from social networks because it's wrong that doesn't make sense it it
also depends it doesn't
make sense i mean like if someone is purposely okay let's say that you find
some chinese bot that's
purposely disseminating incorrect and negative information about maybe a
potential presidential
candidate let's pick one tulsi gabbard they're they're disseminating fake news
about her you know
for sure that it's fake you know for sure who this i don't know how you know
but you know for sure who the
source of it is you don't think that should be taken down i think that if it's
illegal it should be
taken down if it's illegal yeah okay but if it's just lies then that could be
illegal i'm not a lawyer
so i i'm trying to position the network or just like advocate for other
networks to take more of a
neutral stance there's this cool thing called the manila principles which the
electronic frontier
foundation wrote with a bunch of other internet freedom groups which is talking
about how digital
intermediaries should shouldn't be making these subjective decisions about what's
getting taken
down and should require a court order now with a dns provider or you know
something less content
focused explain dns to people don't know what you don't like a domain name
server yeah
so what explain what that is it's like where you buy domain and you know but
for a social network
we're hosting tons of content so it's harder for us because we see illegal
content and it we should
proactively take some of it down if we know it's illegal right but at the same
time you know it's
just slippery well i follow quite a few people who have uh i want to i want to
say they have hoax accounts
but they have parody accounts and they and you know a lot of people read into
it wrong and think they're
being honest and argue with them like uh there's uh this progressive dad guy on
uh instagram you're
following him i know exactly what you're talking about he's hilarious the one i
follow too that's
pretty funny it's like i follow quite a few of them there was a guy who was the
wrong skin guy
who was saying he was born in the wrong color skin that he's transracial and he
would make these uh
ridiculous arguments about it and elwick what was his name he apparently is a
comic from i was just
thinking about this this sort of start a couple i don't know the moment they
had to do it but
let's say four years ago a lot of those troll accounts had to sort of say we're
not
this person for instance the one main one i follow is is now now it's known as
not bill walton
he tweets funny sports jokes all night long after like what's on tv as though
he's bill walton like in
bill walton but like at some point he had to put in the name like this is not
bill walton but
still has quite a few followers and he's still like he still gets the jokes out
but that's funny yeah
well what's your stance on people who make accounts of your stuff put it out
there well i got a lot of
them you know um there's a ton of them some of them actually do good stuff like
they make little clips
and they put those clips online and it's actually it's good it's good for
people enjoy the show they get a
little one minute snippet of things and then some of them just will pretend to
be me and contact people
and try to book them on the show which is really weird oh yeah i've had that um
but you know i mean
who is that is that a 16 year old kid in indiana i mean who is that it's uh it's
odd it's but it's
overall like get past my own personal feelings because because it's about me it's
interesting
this is the you know this this strange new ground that we're covering you know
i mean we've been
discussing this ad nauseam on the podcast lately that essentially we've been
dealing with 20 years of
this and in those 20 years it's changed radically i mean what it is it's become
something completely
different it's become something that changes public opinion on things overnight
it's become something
where you can distribute information from you know person to person about some
you know a huge
international news event you could get all of your information from twitter
whether it's what happened
in venezuela or what you know anywhere there's something in the world you you're
people are turning to
social media almost before they turn anywhere you're looking you know i when i
hear about something i
almost always before i even google it i almost always go to twitter and check
twitter and you know
and see what's going on and see that go it duck duck go have you heard of that
one no what's that it's
like a privacy focused search engine it's like pretty much the only privacy
alternative to google
it's like this idea that we say oh just google it right why do we i mean
our whole process has been to like purge proprietary surveillance tools from
our
company and i've been trying to do it myself like getting off facebook getting
off twitter getting
off instagram it's just like they're so abusive to everybody and it's like
there's brilliant people
who work there i mean instagram is such a well-designed app are you kidding me
beautiful
but so what do you think is abusive about it particularly start with twitter
they're all
the same they're all the same yeah do you think they're all the same because
they're all gigantic
businesses yeah and they're all the same because none of them share their
source code and they all
spy on everybody and they don't show you what is happening behind the scenes
they don't show you what
the code's doing so like in that and then i wrote to you the other day it's
like it's i compare it to
like food transparency you know 50 years ago nobody thought about that and then
20 years ago everyone's
like i want to know what's in my food why but why wouldn't you want to know
what's in your apps
yeah i mean it's super sketchy what they're doing but how so like what's super
we don't know but we
know that they're spying on everyone and tracking you everywhere you go they're
targeting things that
you based on physical location browser history even when you're not on those
websites some of
they're following you around where you're going on the internet right and so
some people accept that
for this free search engine with free email and things along those lines they
accept the fact that
a certain percentage of what they're doing is not going to be private or at
least their searches
are not going to be private like say if you search like you're thinking about
buying a jeep
and you search jeeps you look at you know 2019 jeep and then all of a sudden
all your google
ads are about jeeps right they're like we know we know you're thinking about a
jeep bill and i don't
think that that makes people want to spend more time on google and facebook
what do you think it does
do you think it freaks them out i think that we're just numb to it and so we
accept it yeah but i think
it's more that yeah and so there's all different layers of like what we use
with your browsers your
apps your operating system your food your you know government your energy like
all of this technology
has code right that's associated with it so and when you open up your computer
when you sign into a
browser when you open up an app you are empowering that app that's how the apps
of the world become
huge monstrous corporations is because we all use 