Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1299 - Annie Jacobsen
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1299 - Annie Jacobsen' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2019-05-17. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1299 - Annie Jacobsen

now we're live three two one boom hello annie hello joe very nice to meet you i'm
excited to
talk to you i'm super excited to talk to you about several subjects but this
one thank you very much
for this uh first edition copy of your area 51 an uncensored history of america's
top secret
military base book i'm super excited about this i heard through the grapevine
you were a fan i'm a
freak when it comes to this stuff do what do you think is going on up there i
mean same thing that's
going on all over the place when it comes to military secrets which is stuff
that you want to
know about very few people know about and every now and then a journalist gets
a hint right yeah
do you think there's any alien stuff up there i write in the book all about
that yeah yeah well
tell me last 12 pages you want me to want me to go to the last 12 pages what do
you think so area 51 was
this secret test base where the cia was running uh spy plane programs right so
interestingly my new
book is about ground branch guys on the ground that's about air branch what we
were doing in the air and
it was this idea that we should spy on the enemy okay and but if you go back in
time why area 51 really
started you learn that it was a base hidden inside of a base nuclear weapons
and it was all about beating
stalin at his black propaganda campaign this is i write in the book to hoax
americans in a war of the
worlds type scenario whereby little men who looked like aliens would get out of
an aircraft
and the government would go crazy about it and then stalin would say look we
have not only do we have
technology but better than you but we have a better propaganda department than
you really that joe you
got to read the whole book i mean this is like a this is a tough opening you
got me on the spot but it's
a good spot all right it's a good spot right so stalin just hired short people
like what did he do
all right i'm gonna make you save that i'm gonna make you earn it yeah how's
that i mean you want
me to talk about that right now right off the bat why is it i'm sweating we're
gonna get to
we're gonna get to surprise kill vanish as well but i want to just yeah why
does it make you sweat
oh my god it's such an incendiary topic i mean people people want to believe
they're aliens right
right right okay i mean i've spent five books dealing with the mythology of
area 51 which is
phenomenal in its own way because it speaks so much to power to morality to
information to you know
people's desire to know what's going on and and the government's desire to keep
things hidden so this
topic is always coming up because a lot of people want to believe that there
were aliens in that craft
and my source who i write about in the book uh told me otherwise that they were
genetically
you know that they let me stop you right there because when you say that craft
what you mean
is the supposed ufo wreckage that crashed in roswell new mexico in 1947. that's
what you mean right yes but
that was never supposedly taken to area 51 was supposed to be taken to wright
patterson air force base the
legend has it that truman flew there to meet them and right that's one legend
yeah so in my book i
interview a man who worked for the atomic energy commission who tells a
different story tells the
story of receiving that craft at area 51 in 1951 which is why the base is
called area 51 oh and that
inside the craft were humans who had been altered surgically altered to look
like aliens in a plan
for stalin to sort of twist truman's arm because at that time we had the atomic
bomb when roswell
happened we had the atomic bomb and the soviets did not can i stop you there
when you say humans that
were surgically altered to look like aliens do you mean so this is 1951 so you're
talking about four
years after the supposed crash yes so what they had the bodies they kept the
bodies they kept the bodies
in what formaldehyde like what yes and also because the idea was and remember
or i can't say remember
because you haven't read the book yet right and i wrote this book eight years
ago um but it did really
impact a lot of my a lot of my thinking and working on on you know government
secrecy projects because
it makes you really consider what a hoax means and what it means to a
population of people and how
the government begins to work with disinformation versus cover stories and all
of that but going back
to answer your question that is what i was told by the source that but how
reliable is this source this
is a very incendiary idea to rely upon one individual's recollection of it
which is why the book went
through the roof in terms of people being upset about it i mean were they oh my
god i interviewed 79 cia
guys air force guys spy pilots engineers i mean who's mad at you the conspiracy
theorists were mad
at me because they said this woman is bananas they were aliens well even if
they weren't aliens right
there's also there's accounts that it was some sort of a test vehicle and that
there were actually just
dummies inside their crash test dummies that they used there's been a bunch of
different versions of it
but the most compelling version of the area 51 alien myth to me is bob lazar
did you get into that yeah
he plays a huge role in area 51 i mean before bob lazar went public no one even
knew about area 51
people well people knew people it was it was common folklore but there was no
definitive proof that there
was something going on over there other than some weird vhs footage of things
flying around in the desert
that seemed to be behaving in a way that modern aircrafts are not totally
capable of at least
modern piloted aircrafts are not totally capable of i mean which brings me to
another book i wrote
called the pentagon's brain which you know sort of off this idea was like wait
a minute what kind of
technology is the government capable of and we have a whole department for that
reason called darpa
which looks at weapon systems 25 years out so the idea that you and i don't
know what the military is
capable of in the air underwater wherever it may be is because we're not
thinking 25 years out and they
are and they're developing weapon systems the great weapon systems of the
future that's what they call
them right like how they developed the stealth bomber like and that was all out
in area 51 and groom lake
and yes um what do you think of bob lazar's story because bob lazar's story
what's it really there's some
fascinating aspects to it but one of the most fascinating is some of the things
that he's said that people said was
horseshit it's told has been proven to be true like one of the things the the
biometric reader that
measured the the length of the bones in your hand and that they are unique as
unique as a fingerprint and
people are like what are you talking about and then they actually found out
that this was something they
really did have and they have photos of this thing now this is something he
talked about and they
claimed it was science fiction i mean it's fascinating when someone touches
upon a subject that the government does not want known
about for any reason and there is a campaign to discredit that person and there's
no doubt that
that happened to him i mean it was remarkable and i write about him in the book
because if you follow
the logic that my source told me that these were you know modified human beings
as part of a hoax and
the reason that i trust the source is because joe he told me that he also
worked on the program
so he had like a burden to unload right and so if you follow that logic through
then the bob lazar story
is that bob when bob lazar said i saw an alien it looked like this it was small
it had big eyes
it's yes those were the genetically i mean those were the surgically modified
humans that the government
was doing experiments on i think bob lazar's exact quote was he walked by a
window and he looked in
and he saw two agents that were it looked they were looking down at something
that was very small and
looked humanoid but he didn't know if it was a dummy or anything and he wasn't
even supposed to be looking
in there and it was a brief like one second look that he has bounced around in
his head back and forth
has it ever occurred to you that maybe the guy who gave that information
did work there but is also feeding you horseshit well the source was a major
player in the manhattan
project um he went on and worked in the atomic energy commission i mean there's
a wing of a museum
named after him um his accolades his awards were so extraordinary it would be
what's his name
i've never said his name although you know i will say this well you're giving
it away like you're
giving away a lot of the stuff he recently died and he did give me permission
to tell his full story
after he died and i'm circling around that circling around that but he was
absolutely uh you know
with a queue clearance that's what you have when you have access to nuclear
secrets so if someone has a
queue clearance for decades and they're full of garbage you really have to ask
my god should this
guy have a queue clearance i mean that's reverse engineering his credibility
but i think you should
read the whole book because you know it's shocking what he says but it does
make sense if you can get
through 400 pages of you know the cia's idea about information disinformation
why we need to cover things
up why that's why i'm asking if you think that he's he might have been lying to
you i don't believe
he was lying whatsoever no i don't believe i don't believe so you think that
the stalin that the
russian government definitely did surgically alter people to make them look
like aliens i believe were
there images of these i believe what he told me did you see photos no i did not
see photos but here's
the rope ready okay when i was writing another book called phenomena which
dealt with the cia and the
pentagon's use of psychics okay um over decades i mean this goes back
everything i write about pretty
much goes back to post world war when we remote viewing stuff yes yes and it's
all about government
u.s government takes pole position after world war ii and we now need to always
be ahead of the
curve we must lead we can never get beaten by the russians now it's china okay
so the psychic program
had a lot of people who really believe in aliens or you know other intel
intelligence from other worlds
and when i was writing the phenomena book i learned a whole bunch of new
information about how upset they
were with my story because they believe and they all knew the source by the way
they knew the source
and they believed that he was fed misinformation so these are two sides of the
coin which are super
interesting i think if you can look at them with your own biased turned off and
not have a desired outcome
i want to believe this i don't want to believe this you know um speaking of i
want to believe you know
i was working on a project with chris carter the who is the x files creator and
the one person i took the
source um that i wanted to meet the source was chris carter and i we went out
there together and sat with
him and met him and it was well because the source had never even heard of the
x files and it was like
oh i know they talked about baseball you know really yeah um see i don't have a
desired outcome
i mean i would love it if aliens were real okay but when someone starts talking
about disinformation
and propaganda campaigns but they want you to believe them right but don't
listen i'm here telling you the
truth i'm here telling you the truth i'm not saying i'm telling you the truth
at all that's why i was
not you let's wait till hour three because it's too explosive people have such
a horse in the race
yeah already they with aliens you think well i mean maybe you are neutral i don't
know i know i'm neutral
yeah i will listen i absolutely want aliens to be real 100 wouldn't it be
interesting that's i'm not
neutral but i am neutral in my perceptions and when i look a