Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1311- David Pakman
Uploaded: 2019-06-06T01:00:00.000Z
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1311- David Pakman' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2019-06-06. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1311- David Pakman

hello david here we go we're live we're we're doing it yes we're doing it what's
going on man
i'm nervous don't be i enjoy your show i really do thank you it's a pleasure to
watch um you're
a very smart guy man you and like i said we're just talking about it you're
very reasonable
in this world i think there's so much of this the youtube political world the
youtube commentary
world where people are so fucking toxic you know there's there's so much
negativity there's so much
what they call dunking on people there's so much dunking you do a little dunking
some of it's
warranted it is warranted yes but i don't know if it's beneficial uh to the to
the people doing
the dunking yes or even to the cause i think it is temporarily well sometimes
it's good because it
it shows it mocks people's positions and it makes people realize yeah that is a
ridiculous position
so if you're on the fence or if you're not really quite sure how you feel about
things and you see
someone get mocked for a ridiculous position that maybe you've even shared for
a little bit right
maybe maybe you haven't explored it deeply and you see someone who has explored
it deeply
sort of expose all the flaws in this line of thinking it's good but
my thing what i'm i and i i interview a lot of people on the right and a lot of
people on the left
and i just hate all this conflict that i i'd see the unnecessary conflict i
think is when you when
you watch television today and you see antifa fighting with the you know trump
supporters and
all this all this weird conflict i don't i don't necessarily think that most of
it is is necessary
necessary well i think the devil's in the details yeah so like as an example if
you want to bring
together i don't know people who are on operate opposite sides of the climate
debate for example
good luck um sure right well why is part part of that you could argue is if one
side just does not
accept science right how can you really bring those people together doesn't
mean you need physical
conflict to resolve it in fact i completely agree with you the physical
conflict is totally
counterproductive but at a certain point on some issues i understand why there's
like an
intractability to the debate where it seems completely impossible to move
forward because
whichever side you're on i would argue that i'm on the right side of these
issues and others would
disagree when you're far apart in a way that you can't even agree as to like
what the starting point
facts are about the conversation how do you even how do you start i have some
ideas as to how i try to
do it but it's very tough it is very tough i just don't think dunking on people
always like
constantly shitting on people is necessarily the way to do it yeah and i think
it's important to
distinguish between just straight up ad hominems where someone is wrong and bad
uh because i think
they're a bad person or they're an idiot or whatever to recognizing when
somebody is a participant in
bad faith in a conversation yeah to when someone has maybe fallen prey to
audience capture or whatever
else might be kind of influencing what what and how they're doing i i think
that those criticisms are
legitimate but yeah you got to stay away from just ad hominem yes yes i agree
and i think that it's just
so common today it's it's it's it's also extremely attractive the the youtube
algorithm uh you know
as far as um comments go i mean you know it actually kind of encourages it and
so does facebook's so does
you know anytime there's a social media platform that is ad dependent one of
the best ways to get
people to engage is to have something they disagree with so they can get angry
yes until it becomes no
longer brand safe according to whoever's running the platform right right i
mean if you go back to
april 2017 where i woke up and saw that my youtube channel made 19 cents the
previous day and i text
kyle kalinsky and i say i think there's like a glitch is it like it says i made
19 cents and he says
says i made 35 cents or something like that uh something's going on and it was
the beginning of
like adpocalypse 1.0 yeah and that was a rough three week period and uh so so
it's you know encourage
the debate and the battle of ideas so to speak and all of this stuff until
advertisers get worried and
they say oh you know our ads are showing up on stuff that's a little bit touch
and go for us that's a
weird one to me because um i youtube has always been a secondary thought for me
the the first thought
was the audio version of the podcast and in fact when we were uploading it to
youtube at first i was
like why are we even doing this i guess why not some people probably want to
watch it and then somewhere
along the line it became at least close to as big as the audio version of it
and then maybe even
more significant because one of the things that the youtube version has is the
comment section which
is often a fucking dumpster fire but it it at least there is some sort of like
a community
engagement aspect of it that doesn't really exist in itunes like in itunes it's
sort of it's in a
vacuum right sure um but when the adpocalypse thing happened i was like hmm
what is going on here
like wasn't it wasn't my primary focus so it wasn't terrifying but people that
only did youtube
and people that relied on that for their living i mean it's a huge blow it was
huge and at the time
i'm trying to think back i think maybe like around 30 percent of my entire show's
revenue was coming
from youtube at the time so it was not everything but it was still significant
right i mean i have staff
and overhead and all of that stuff so just overnight 30 percent going away is
huge and that's why
i've tried to move to the model of telling my audience you can skip all of this
stuff you know
even uh some of these other you know super chats and all of this other stuff
like we run a membership
program on my website i control 100 of it so it's on a patreon deal we're on
patreon but it's not big
for us the the way i think about it is as long as i mean listen yeah there's
you know marijuana
companies that are having trouble even processing payments but assuming like
stripe and paypal don't say
you can't even accept payments anymore david pacman right i control the entire
process on my website so
when people pay their six bucks all but 2.9 percent gets to me and when adpocalypse
happened i saw it as
a maybe blessing in disguise and that i could now explain to the audience here's
the problem with these
algorithms here's the problem when it goes from i am fighting white supremacist
content to an algorithm
can't distinguish between that and white supremacist content oh right that's
bad for me yeah right when
i interview richard spencer i obviously don't agree with richard spencer uh but
can an algorithm
figure out that there's a difference between an interview i do with richard spencer
and white
nationalist propaganda i don't know but we can kind of get around all of that
if you just go directly
to me and that's why my focus has been growing that those direct did you
interview richard spencer
yeah did you get shit for that yes yeah that's a weird one right you know um i'm
sure you're aware
that uh that what is it called the date in society that can whether there was a
woman who made a bunch
of connections like joe rogan knows david pacman oh and joe rogan also knows alex
jones alex jones
must be friends with david pacman like the map yeah it's like one of those
minds you know like
let's and it was really weird it's it's like guilt by association i saw a
couple of them there was
like an initial one which maybe you're thinking of then there was a map of like
the youtube sphere
specifically left middle and right or something like yeah yeah and this idea
that everyone's like
a part of a grand conspiracy to help each other out and push right ideology
even though you know a lot
of people that were labeled as right or aren't right like who like me oh i'm
not right at all
my sense is your politics are pretty left on most stuff um although i don't i
mean i don't know you
personally beyond just seeing your shows um but maybe the critique is based on
because i think that
those maps were based on what is the youtube algorithm suggesting and so that
may not be in line
with your personal politics right it's just maybe what we're talking about like
if you're interested
in conflict if you're trying to get engagement that's the way to do it like and
if youtube out
youtube algorithm is constantly suggesting people like ben shapiro or gavin mcginnis
or whatever and
those videos come up over and over again sure and i mean so a lot of those
people's channels do really
well on youtube so if you interview someone who has a channel themselves there's
a very good chance that
the algorithm if they're watching your interview with that person will say well
here's a lot of
their stuff and then once you click there the the algorithm very quickly starts
to build a picture of
of every individual user if you watch your interview with ben shapiro and then
it takes you to a daily
wire video right then it takes you to like the daily wire second stringer guy
and then you're off who knows where
right that's it's all machine learning right i mean that's for the most part
yeah yeah that's uh
it is it's a troubling aspect of that thing that they do where they suggest the
next videos which
didn't used to be a thing it used to be you would go to youtube you would watch
a video right and then
you would go find another video right they didn't suggest anything and then
somewhere along the line
i don't remember what year it was but this started happening and then they
started auto playing
the next video autoplay yeah i think there was a some kind of recommendation
thing very early on but
initially it might have been restricted to just other videos from the same
channel you're watching
probably and at a certain point it started to recommend other things and i don't
know if you
look at your analytics and see what percentage of your views are coming from
that recommendations feed
from other stuff um but it's significant for a lot of youtube channels the the
tagging your videos and
getting the right metadata on them in order to bring an audience is an
important thing so it's a double-edged
sword in some sense it sounds it sounds like yeah but to get back to what you
were saying about so
richard labeled you oh it's richard okay yeah i was gonna say they labeled you
as right but you're not
right well it's just it's disingenuous i mean i've said it over and over and
over again i've never
voted for a republican in my life i voted independent for gary johnson just
because he did my podcast
okay and i wasn't happy with clinton and i wasn't happy with trump i was like
this is just gross
i'm just gonna vote for gary johnson i mean i didn't think he was gonna win you
know i he had
almost no chance when he didn't know where what aleppo was right i was like
that was his uh he was his
scream you know like what's his face from new hampshire uh howard dean howard
dean yeah well
voting in california also i i assume you vote sure yeah it wasn't going to joke
yeah um but people
conveniently will just as or they'll say that like you're a trojan horse they
like uh you're a pretend
left-wing person who's really just pushing right-wing ideologies i'm like well
which one
which which right-wing ideology is it gay marriage is it what is it i put i'm
on the left on everything
except maybe the second amendment right i think the criticism that um could be
levied if one wanted to
make it into a criticism would be if you engage with right-wing ideas that you
don't agree with right
like i take you at your face you know face value that you don't agree with a
lot of the stuff that
your right-wing guests say one could make the argument that by not challenging
those ideas it's
implicitly lending them more credibility than maybe you think they should have
that's interesting
because w