Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1361 - Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell
Uploaded: 2019-10-05T21:30:00.000Z
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1361 - Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2019-10-05. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1361 - Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell

And here we go. First of all, gentlemen, thanks for being here. Jeremy, thanks
for coming back
again. Thanks, Joe. And thanks to you, sir. It's very exciting to be here. Very
exciting for me to
be here to be able to talk to you about your story. Thank you. I'm glad to be
here. David,
tell everybody who you are and tell everybody your background, please. Okay.
And my name is
David Fravor. I served 24 years in the military, enlisted Marine for a couple
of years. They sent
me to Naval Academy. Then I flew for 18 years for the Navy. Had literally flew
A-6s, Hornets,
and then Super Hornets. Had every qualification you could get in the airplane,
everything, even the
stuff they're not doing anymore. So I had NVG high, low, went to Top Gun. And
at the time of the
incident that we're going to talk about, I was a commanding officer of VFA-41,
the Black Aces.
I've gone through a journey with this whole UFO stuff from being a full-on true
believer to being
incredibly skeptical to trying to be open-minded to being more of a believer
now than I think I've
ever been before. And one of the things that I've always said is the people
that I believe,
there's a lot of loony people out there, but the people that I put my trust in
are high-level
military people like yourself. So when I hear someone like you who has a story
that defies
logic or defies conventional understanding of how aircrafts work, that's when I
sit back and I go,
okay, this is a different thing. Because there's always people that are telling
you they're psychic
or they can, you know, they sense things or they're in communication with Bigfoot.
There's always loony
people out there. But when someone is in the military, someone is trained to
fly these incredible, I mean,
how expensive are those jets?
When we have them, they're about $70 million a piece.
Yeah, they don't give those to morons.
Typically not. Some people in my family would probably argue that point, but
hey, better lucky than good.
It just seems to me that this is, for rational people that want to look at this
whole UFO phenomenon
objectively, you're the type of person that I want to talk to. So I was very
excited to have you in here.
So what year was your incident? And you have a very, very famous incident that's
corroborated by actual
evidence, which is one of the rare ones. What year was it and where did it take
place?
So it was 2004, November 14th. It's really, if you draw San Diego to Ensenada,
Mexico, we're about 60 miles
off the coast in between the two. We're doing workups. So when we get ready to
deploy, this was for the
2005 deployment. We were going at sea for November and December of 2004. So we
had been out. I had just
taken over the squadron mid-October. So I'd been the CO for a month. So we go
out and we're putting the
battle group pieces together. So it's not just the air wing, but we're, you
know, we're on the carrier.
We've got the cruiser. We've got all the support ships out there. And we're
going to integrate all the
defenses and train as one unit. So the exercise that we're going to do is an
air defense exercise
where there's good guys, bad guys. They're all from internal, from the air wing.
So the bad guys today
are going to be the Marines, VMFA-232, the Red Devils. So they're going to
launch and they're going to go about
a hundred miles south of the ship. And we're the good guys. And it's, we call
it a 2v2. So it's two
of us against two of them. And we're going to work with the USS Princeton,
which is going to be the
controller. And they're going to control the blue forces. And then the red guys
are going to give us
a presentation that, you know, they're going to try and intercept so we can
stop them from getting up
towards the carrier. So that's kind of the training set that we're all good. So
the Marines take off first
and they start heading to the south. Now we have no idea that for two weeks,
the two weeks we've been at sea, they've been tracking these things coming out
of the sky.
And when I talked to the Princeton controller, he's like up to about a dozen of
them.
They would come down from above 80,000 feet. They'd drop down to about 20,000
feet. They'd hang out
and then they'd go straight back up after about three or four hours.
Now when you say they've been tracking them, who specifically?
This is the USS, the Princeton was tracking them. They saw them on the Nimitz
radar and the E-2 could
see them. So, because they're out there, you know, that radar is on all the
time. And the SPY-1
system on an Aegis cruiser is, you know, the state, it's probably one of the
most sophisticated
systems in the world.
So typically when something like this happens and there is some unexplained
phenomenon,
what do they do?
In this case, you know, if we were in a threat environment, they would tell us.
But if we're
off the coast of San Diego, it doesn't come to the air wing. So we have no idea
that these things are out there at all.
So they observe these things and they never bothered telling any of you guys.
That's correct.
So they just knew that these things had been visiting this area, but they just
allowed this
training exercise to take place anyway.
Yeah. Talking to them, the previous, for the two weeks they would show up, but
it was when
we weren't flying. So the typical carrier schedule is, you know, for us, it was
about noon to
midnight. It's a 12 hour day. There's reasons for that. It can go a lot longer.
They can,
but for training, we just do the 12 hour day thing.
And it's cyclic ops. So you got guys taking off and landing periodically.
So we were on one of the first goes, you know, it's, you know, noon, one o'clock,
somewhere
around there. And we take off. The Marines take off first. And my buddy Cheeks,
who's the
CEO of the Marine squadron, was one, he was leading the red air. They had, when
he launched
off the carrier first, they called him up and said, Hey, what do you got on
board? Well,
the, the small, the original legacy F-18s don't have as much gas as the Super
Hornets.
Super Hornets is about 30% bigger. So they start talking to him about fuel and
based on how long
we're going to be airborne and everything else, they go, Hey, why don't you
just go ahead and
proceed to your, your cap point? And because we had just taken off and that's
when the controller
had come up and said, Hey, yeah, I forget our cost. And it's probably like
dealers, usually
what we went. So that'd be like dealer one, one. This is a Princeton control.
What do you
got, you know, say your loadout? And I kind of chuckled. He said, I said, well,
I got a
CADM nine, which is a, it's a basically just a blue metal tube with a seeker
head for an
A-9 IR missile. It's a training. It doesn't come off the airplane. You can beat
it with a
sledgehammer. That's the only way you're going to get it off or you got to
unlock the lugs
with a key. So I'm like kind of chuckling. He goes, well, Hey, we're going to
cancel the
training. So we're like, okay. He says, we got real world vector and they're
going to send
us out to the West. So picture if it's a, you know, if you've got a clock, the
Nimitz is
in the middle. We're a little bit south of that, about 40 miles south. And then
the Marines
are about a hundred miles south of the ship, about 60 miles between the two of
us. So as
this is all happening, my wingman is joining up and these are F-18F. So there's
two people
in each jet. So it's me and my WIZO, which is weapon systems operator. And I've
got the
other pilot and the weapon systems operator in the other jet. So they tell us
all this, Hey,
we're going to real world vector. And they send us out to seven zero, about 60
miles away
from where we're going. So now we're going out even further out to sea. We have
no idea
what we're intercepting. And this is when the controller starts talking to us.
He says,
Hey, sir, we've seen these objects. They've been for two weeks, they've been
coming down
and he's given us the whole story. He says, we need you to go investigate. We
want to know
what these are.
But they're asking you to investigate in a jet that's unarmed.
That's correct. Yeah. We have no, and there's reasons for that, that we don't
fly. We typically
don't fly with live ordinance unless we're actually going into like a combat
zone or we're on a
training range and we're going to shoot something. And the reason is you can go
through history of
the Navy or Air Force. If you put live missiles on airplanes and then you start
doing training
where you're squeezing the trigger, someone always messes the switchology up
and someone
gets shot down. It's happened multiple times. So we don't do it. You know,
there's times that
we do, but it's rare. So we start flying out to the West. Now I want you to
think,
because the other pilot has a, you know, when you talk to, it's out there, it
was a female.
When you talk to her, it's, here's the, kind of goes through the mindset of,
hey, we're off the
coast of Mexico, real world vector. We have no idea what we're going to look at.
Probably drug
runner because you get the drug runners coming up the coast. So we're like,
okay. So we drive out and
they're calling down ranges. So they're telling us, hey, it's 270 at 30 miles
at 20,000 feet.
And it's, you know, and then you just count down the ranges and we're talking
back and forth the
whole time. So they got to a point where they say, hey, merge plot, which means
radars have
resolution cells, you know, range and azimuth of what the radar can actually
see. Once you're inside
that box, you can't tell the difference between me and the object I'm going at.
We're just become
one big blob. So they call merge plot. And so the other jet is on my left-hand
side.
And we're going to, and I'm going to go to a clock code to make it simple. So
the object we're going to end up looking for is right in the middle of the
clock.
And we are at the six o'clock position and my wingman is off to my left side.
So it's,
she's further down with her wizard.
So as we're looking around, we, we look to the right and there's a, it was,
yesterday was a
perfect example out here. The water is perfectly calm, no white caps. I mean,
it's literally a
perfect San Diego, California day. And we see whitewater, something like if you
see a sea
mount, you know, rock underwater when you're standing on the shore and the
waves are breaking
over and you're like, what is that? It's usually because there's a rock under
the water.
So it looks like that, but it's about the size of a 737. It actually kind of
has a shape of like a
cross and it's pointing to the east. So you've got the long part going east,
west, and you got a
couple of things going north and south. So as we're looking at it, because that
kind of draws our eyes,
we're like, oh, that's kind of odd. We look down and the wizzo in the other
airplane comes up and
says, hey, Skipper, do you? And that's about what he gets out of his mouth. And
I'm kind of looking at
the same thing. I go, dude, do you see that? What is that thing? And what we
see is this white
tic-tac looking object just above the surface of the water pointing north,
south, and it's going
north, south, east, west. It's just radically moving forward, back, left, right,
at will. And
it's moving around the disturbance, the whitewater that we see. How big is this
thing?
Over time, it's about 40 feet long. And the way I estimate that is, I mean, I
got a lot of time
fighting other airplanes. So it's about the size of a hornet, fuselage. So that's
why you say 40 feet.
And this thing's just going left. So the first thing you see when you look down,
you go,
and this is with our eyes, it's not sensors, right? So we're looking down at
this thing. And
first thing you think is helicopter, right? The helicopters typically stay
below 200 feet when
we're out there and they're just driving around. We're pretty far away from the
ship for a helicopter
for one of ours. So what is it? So the first thing you look for is rotor wash.
You know,
if you've watched