Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1536 - Edward Snowden
Uploaded: 2020-09-15T15:30:35.000Z
Description: Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1536 - Edward Snowden' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2020-09-15. Transcript available.

Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1536 - Edward Snowden' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2020-09-15. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1536 - Edward Snowden

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day
good to see you again man good to see you thanks for having me it's uh been
like a year it's been
like a year believe it or not you looked exactly the same and the studio looks
exactly the same
you might be on another part of the world no one knows yeah it's just uh my my
apartment that I
rent you know I don't like to give out a lot of information about where I'm at
and that kind of
stuff so it's very smart a plain wall that I've got the lights down low so it
looks kind of a a nice
gray at least I think it's nice I think it's beautiful it looks amazing uh
first of all
congratulations on the recent ruling was a ninth district court of appeals is
that what it was it
said that what you exposed with the warrantless wiretapping was in fact illegal
and there are
many people that are calling for you to be pardoned now yeah it's so much has
happened this ruling this
is actually not the first time um the federal government has or the appeals
courts have struck
down uh some of the federal surveillance programs as unlawful but this one is
really important because
it happened uh from an appeals court it wasn't from a single judge it was from
a a panel of judges
um and what they had uh ruled was that the NSA's bulk collection of Americans
phone records was illegal and
this is the very first um sort of mass surveillance program that I and the
journalists um really that
the news was broken back in 2013 so this is a huge victory for privacy rights
uh what it means is
there was this provision of the patriot act like you remember the patriot act
remember like a zillion years
ago I do everybody was like a patriot act patron your friend Alex Jones you
know I think he was worried
about it it's a terrible name the there's a real problem with that name because
if you're against
the patriot act it's like against babies it's like uh like this is the pro baby
act but meanwhile pro
baby act they get to look through your email you know what I mean it's like the
word patriot is attached
to that in a very disingenuous way like calling that the patriot act is is it's
really creepy that they
could do that it should have like a number like bill a1 yeah you know you know
I'm saying so you can
debate the merits of it it's just so much propaganda attached to that name like
the patriot act this is
one of the funny things because it should be a warning for anybody who's in
like you know just
anywhere in the country and they hear on the news they're talking about like
the save puppies you know
act there's actually one that's uh been they've been trying to push through
recently which is basically
outlawing meaningful encryption from the major internet service providers like
if
facebook or google for whatever reason got out of bed in the morning and they
actually wanted
to protect your uh the security of your communications uh in a way that even
they can't
break like right now uh google and facebook they do a great job keeping other
people from spying on
your communications but if google wants to rifle through your inbox right if
facebook wants to go
through all your direct messages and give that to the federal government like
you tap one button and
boom they've got all of it happens every single day uh well companies like
facebook have recently realized
this is a real problem for them uh because first off they get all these
censorship demands um that you've
seen uh where like there's de-platforming requests and it happens in one
country right like if the u.s
government is allowed to decide what can and can't be said by this person on
this platform
or uh the u.s goes look we got a court warrant uh they said uh a judge said we
think this person's a
criminal we want you to hand over everything you have on this person and they
do it right facebook does
this well guess who's next right the russian government shows up at the door
the next day the
chinese government shows up at the door the next day uh and if these companies
don't play ball
uh they get shut down in that country they can no longer no longer operate and
so the idea that a
lot of them have uh that they've considered and this has actually become a
bigger thing in the covid
crisis where we start talking about like contact tracing these companies want
to know where everybody
is at all the time so they can hand this over to medical authorities or
whatever there's this idea
called end-to-end encryption which uh what it means is that when you send a
message you know when billy
sends a message to bobby billy and bobby both have the keys to unlock that
message and it could be sent
through facebook it could be sent through google it could be posted you know on
a bulletin board in the
town square but without that key which the people who run the bulletin board
right the the people who
own the bulletin board google facebook they don't have that key only the phones
at the end the
laptops at the end the people who own those they're the only people who have
the key so if somebody
comes to facebook and says we want to see that information uh facebook hands
over the encrypted
message right and facebook goes well here you go here's our copy but we can't
read it you can't either
now you've got to actually do some work on the government side and go get that
key yourself
and then you can read it right but we can't read it congress is trying to stop
the basically
proliferation of that basic end-to-end encryption technology and they're
calling it like the child
online predator act or something like that where they say it's all about
protecting uh the posting
of like child exploitation material and really really horrible stuff but that's
not actually what the law
is about the law is about making it easier for spies and law enforcement to
reach deeper and deeper
into your life with a simple warrant stamped by any court and the funny thing
is this never used to be
the way law enforcement worked in the united states i mean when you hear about
a warrant what does that
mean to you what can the cops get with a warrant well usually i think it means
that they can come in your
house and search right the the the real issue with warrants and when it pertains
to encryption like
when you're talking about the child safety act or whatever they're calling it
anyone would say yes we have to stop child predators but the problem with
having the ability to use
something like that to stop child predators in my eyes i i start thinking well
if i really wanted
to look into someone what i would do is i would send them some malware that
would put child pornography
on their computer and then i would have all of the motive that i need to go and
look through everything
like say if they're if they were a political dissident if they were doing
something against the government
and you were someone who was uh acting in bad faith and you decided okay we
want to look into this guy
but we don't have a warrant what what are the laws what what can we get away
with it well we have the child
endangerment act and so because of that we're allowed to peer into anything but
we just have to have motive
so we have to well what do we have motive all you'd have to do is and we we
both know this
it's very easy to put something illegal on someone's computer if they're not
paying attention
it's very easy to install like you could send someone a text message that looks
like a routing
number for a package they're going to get they click on that and then you what
is that um what the israelis
have uh pegasus right yeah you you've read up on this yeah so well it's uh it's
from brian fogel's new
film the dissident which is uh about jamal khashoggi's murder and how the saudis
used that to use they
actually tapped into jeff bezos's phone and that's where all of the this is the
suspicion is that that
that's where all of those uh national inquirer photos came out and all the
attacks on him because
they they had access to his actual phone through this so someone could easily
get into your stuff
if you're not paying attention and then they could use you know whatever acts
they've come up with
whatever it's the patriot act or whatever act where they could just get into
everything you're doing
look at your whatsapp messages look at your your facebook messages it's real
sneaky so and it's it's
dangerous it's it's a dangerous precedent to set yeah i mean there there's a
lot to this let me go into
some of that in a little depth so you mentioned the nso group and their their
pegasus malware set
and this is very much a real thing like you're a well-read guy um this is like
this company uh the ceo's name i think is shalev julio um is uh run in israel
it was previously owned
actually by an american venture capital firm i believe they've been uh re-bought
out but um it doesn't
really matter their entire business is preying on flaws in the critical
infrastructure of all the
software running on the most popular devices in the world the number one target
right is the iphone
and this is because the iphone as secure as it is relative to a lot of other
phones
is a monoculture right like if you if you have an iphone you get these little
software update
notifications all the time that are like hey please update to the the most
recent version of ios and
that's a fabulous thing that's a wonderful thing for security um because the
number one way that
people's devices get screwed if it's not just through user error right like you
entering your password
somewhere you shouldn't it's like a fake site um it looks like gmail but it's
not actually gmail you
just gave the guy your password now he uses your password to login but to
actually break into a
device is that it's not patched right patch means getting these uh security
updates these little code
updates that fix holes that researchers found in the security device well apple's
really good about
rolling these out all the time for everybody in the world the problem is
basically all these different
iphones right you got an iphone 6 you got an iphone 8 you got an iphone x you
got an iphone you know
3 whatever these are all running a pretty narrow band of uh software versions
and so these guys go if
they want to target for example android phones like google phones like a samsung
galaxy or something like
that there's like a billion different phones made by a billion different people
half of them are
completely out of date but uh what it means is it's not one version of software
they're running it's like
10 000 and this is actually bad for security on the individual level but it's
good for security in a
very unusual way which is the guys who are developing the exploits the guys
like this nso group who are
trying to find ways to break into phones they now have to have like 50
different handsets running 50
different versions of software they're all changing they've got different
hardware they've got different
chipsets for like they've got different like all kinds of just technical
variables that can screw up
the way they attack uh your phone and then when they find one it only works on
like this samsung galaxy
line it doesn't work on like the google pixel line or it doesn't work on like a
nokia line or
something like that whereas they realize if they find a way to attack an iphone
which is actually
you know this is difficult this is really difficult stuff now it works against
basically every iphone
and who has iphones all the rich people right all the important people all the
lawmakers all the guys
who are in there so they've made a business on basically attacking the iphone
and selling it to every
two-bit thug uh who runs a police department in the world you know they sell
this stuff to saudi arabia
they sell this to mexico and there's a group of researchers in canada uh
working at a university
called the citizen lab um and uh these guys are really like the best in the
world at tracking what
nso group is doing if you want to learn about this stu