Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1574 - Jacques Vallee & James Fox
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Joe Rogan Experience #1574 - Jacques Vallee & James Fox

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day
gentlemen James Jacques welcome thanks for being here we'll explain what this
is all about because
on the new Spotify podcast we don't really have an intro the same way the old
ones did James you
produced a phenomenal documentary on the phenomenon on what's going on with UFOs
and I just sent you an
article that my friend Sagar sent me today about a photograph a very clear
photograph that they've
taken of this triangular UFO so there's something that we'll be talking about
in a little bit Jacques
Vallée you have been studying this most of your life too long too long we
discussed it
last night at dinner that your interest in this came from an experience that
you actually had as a
child you actually saw a UFO as a teenager with two other witnesses one of the
witnesses was half a
mile away with binoculars so I'm pretty sure that that that object was real and
it was a classic disc
middle of the afternoon clear sky absolutely clear at the time I became
convinced that it might be a
prototype of something that would be coming out later and you know we're here
many years later and we
still don't have anything like that it was just hovering and was fair and what
you've been studying this for
so long and this is something you guys talked about in the film that you were
actually the character that
the French UFO researcher in close encounters of the first kind or the third
kind rather was modeled
after the Steven Spielberg film Spielberg was intrigued with the idea of a of a
character that was not quite as
weird as you know the ETS but was a lot weirder than you know the the people on
the ground in the US trying to make sense of
this in the military and so on so he needed this intermediate character he
thought you know Frenchman was was a
right thing to do and so did you talk to him about the film did you talk to him
about
when when he was putting it together and yeah I journalist put us together when
about halfway through the you know the final final shooting of the film and
there
were there were gaps in the movie at that point and we so we had lunch twice
together and it was was a lot of fun he was at the time he was looking for a
transition between the time when they they know the you know the big thing is
coming the mothership is coming and they don't know where and the mothership is
sending signals but they can't decipher the signals and I he said you know he
had
spent the morning at the jet propulsion laboratory and he said he couldn't make
any sense of all the mathematics they had and I said well maybe you can have
you
know two screens that give you an angle and and the angle tells you where the
thing is and he said now that's too complicated you know and takes too long
right it's got to be just a few minutes in the film and then I thought of a
photograph that was on the desk of Dr Hynek you know Dr Jay Hynek who was the
Air Force consultant on UFOs at the time and I was working with him building
databases and so on and on that photograph there were three guys you know
really well-dressed on ladders around a huge sphere of the earth in the lobby
of
some building somewhere with pieces of string that they were they were putting
the string over the earth and I I told Dr Hynek I said Alan you know what's the
story behind this and and he said well the when the first Sputnik was launched
you
know October 57 nobody had a computer program to compute an orbit but they knew
where the the Sputnik had been seen nobody expected the Russians to come up
with this
and they needed to know where it was going next so they the New York Times
called the
director of Harvard Observatory saying can you give us a comment on the Russian
satellite and the guy said hey it's three o'clock in the morning you know what
Russian satellite and so they got dressed in a hurry and they they were trying
to
compute the orbit by putting a string around the around the model of the earth
in the lobby of the of Harvard and I thought it was so funny and and Spielberg
said
that's it you know that's it the the general says come on you know you know the
the geographer who is the interpreter of the French of a French guy says well
it
looks like it's somewhere in Wyoming you know but we're in Wyoming you know
where
should we go and the the general says you mean we've got ten billion dollars
worth of radar and you know cameras and everything else nobody's got a map of
Wyoming and they break into the lobby of the building next door and they come
back with this globe and you know and they've got the globe and they they look
at it look at it and get their coordinates and because they it turns out the
geographer tells them you know those signals they look like a longitude and a
latitude so they they they Chris you know they they get the point where it's
going to be and that's that was a piece that was missing in in the movie so I
was
really proud of that you know it was it was really fun well so it's a the
one funny part in the movie yeah it's a great movie and it's a it is probably
the
movie that got me most excited about UFOs when I was a kid and I remember
thinking if UFOs were coming here from another planet one thing that I remember
thinking is why would they even bother talking to the government like what do
they care who the government is like if if I was looking at an ant colony I'm
not
gonna ask the ant colony which one's the the elected official that's in charge
of
all the other ants you don't give a shit you're just like trying to study the
ants
and I felt like if something was coming here from another planet that was so
sophisticated it could either travel from another dimension or travel from
another galaxy
why would it care like who the president is or who the generals are you know
not
only that but the witnesses don't talk to the government either no by now the
witnesses are tired of being ridiculed by scientists and you know by and told
that
those things don't exist so they don't they don't talk so they'll talk to you
know
people like you people like me because they trust you know they they trust me
and in
Silicon Valley you know you wouldn't believe the number of people who come to
me you
know including CEOs of companies that I've worked with would tell me about
sightings that
people in their family have had or sightings they had including you know sightings
in Vietnam for
example and so on when they were in the military that have never been reported
and and the government
isn't getting that when you first started studying this James when you started
studying this phenomenon when you were thinking that you're gonna put together
this this movie what you've done other documentaries on UFOs what what got you
into this so I had a really good friend of mine who was a high school buddy
this guy
Renee we traveled around Europe together after we graduated from high school
and in
our early 20s he told me about this UFO crash in Roswell in New Mexico and I
literally thought at the time I'm gonna have to write this guy off I've lost my
best
friend he's lost his mind and and that was that and I sort of walked away
thinking God
if we've had such a great friendship I'm so sorry this guy's gone and I brought
it up
with a guy that I was mentoring he was my mentor at a production facility
excuse me
production facility in California this guy Richard and he goes oh yeah Roswell
yeah
that was an alien spaceship it crashed I mean the government admitted it I mean
they
they they put the story out themselves these guys with a the only bomb unit in
the world the 509th exclusively responsible for the deployment of atomic
weapons these guys would not mistake an everyday weather balloon for a flying
saucer he goes that actually happened and I went really so then I started
looking
into it before I knew it I started making a movie Wow so what like when you
heard
about Roswell and you you've investigated it now and you've got into what do
you
think that was well I can only go by the people that were there and major Jesse
Marcel was one of the first military officers on the scene he's part of the
509th and major Marcel said the debris was strewn over an extremely large area
and
it was material that was not of this earth and he described the the the
material was
once one chunk in particular was three to four feet long three feet wide light
as a
feather you could barely feel it in your hands when you carried it but they
couldn't destroy it with a blowtorch they couldn't destroy it with this photo
you're showing us right now Jamie is the debris that they threw on the floor
that
was clearly just aluminum foil and sticks and stuff from a weather balloon that's
the fake debris yeah well there's two stories right there was a story that came
out the first day that said we've recovered a crashed UFO and then there's a
story that came out the second day whoops it was a weather balloon and this was
after they had taken the wreckage and they flew it to Wright-Patterson Air
Force
Base and it wasn't what you would do with wreckage from a weather balloon what
they'd done is they'd flown it in two separate jets or planes I don't know if
there were any jets back then two separate planes to make sure that they had
at least some of it like if one of them crashed they at least had some of this
stuff and to this day there's people that were there that swear that this was
something that was from an alien world and then you've got all the debunkers
and
all the other people that swear that it's nonsense and that people are just
making things up and they get a lot of attention from this and so they're you
know they've been telling these stories for decades and they might even believe
it themselves but it's all bullshit well my approach to that is you know no
single case and I think the scientists are not completely to blame there no
single case can can prove either that we're being visited or even that there is
a
phenomenon here on earth that we still need to be discovering you you need to I've
been trained to look for patterns you know my my background is in artificial
intelligence and computer science and you look for patterns whether it's in
medicine in business you know in in in other fields in physics and one case
even as as
good as was well is you know that doesn't do it so I've been looking for other
cases
that can reinforce the pattern and reveal you know what is what is really
behind it
because the idea that it's just ET coming here that doesn't really answer all
the
questions we have well it seems like there's been so many reports over time and
it's so difficult to find out who's telling the truth and who's not because
many of these are just
anecdotal stories they're just eyewitness accounts and we know people are
occasionally or quite often full of shit it's just that's just a part of people
they lie and they make things up I wanted to put the cap on Roswell because
what
people don't realize is that they announced to the world that they recovered a
flying saucer there had been a whole massive wave in the 40s and late 40s and
this is
following the detonation of the first atomic bombs yeah the tests you know the
and then
the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan yeah so we had the Trinity site
1945 and
then there were two bombs dropped and that was from the Enola Gay which was
stationed at Roswell New Mexico in in 47 when this incident occurred they
announced
they told the truth to the world that's a fact they were flying the debris to
Wright-Patterson air force
base there was no cover-up it was all out in the open with a quick stop in Fort
Worth when they got to Fort Worth they had a debris filled in their B-29 bomber
General Major Marcel gets off the airplane and General Roger Ramey there's a flurry
of press activity and he says keep your mouth shut let me handle this grab some
debris from an everyday weather balloon throws it on the floor he says keep
your mouth shut
and they pose