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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan on "The Color of Money"' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2020-12-28. Transcript available.

- The Joe Rogan Experience.
- I went down a pathway with Queen's Gambit
where I was like, is this a true story?
Because if this is true
that there was this beautiful, young, flawed woman,
that's very interesting to me.
It's not a true story.
There's a lot of people on the internet
who think that it is a true story.
It's based off a book,
but chess sales are through the roof.
You couldn't get a chess board when that thing came out.
- Really? - Yeah.
- Isn't that hilarious? - Wow.
- Like chess sales were going crazy,
which chess is a beautiful sport.
And much like long form conversation we have here,
long form game. - Yes.
- I mean, months you could really play.
They get into speed chess in that show,
but you can play chess forever, man.
- Yeah, I'm scared of chess.
I'm terrible at chess and I don't want to get good at it
because I think it's something that I would get absorbed with.
I remember there was a time where Howard Stern
got obsessed with chess and he was taking chess lessons
when he was talking about it on the show.
- Oh shit. - Yeah.
Yeah. And I remember thinking,
oh, he's an obsessive.
Like he'll, he'll, and I think he eventually bailed
and stopped, stopped doing it.
But I've had problems with video games.
I've had problems with pool.
I used to play pool competitively
and I get real obsessed with games.
And chess seems to be like the most intense
of all intellectual games.
- It's going to trigger the shit out of your intellectual.
Like what, what kind of billiards would you play?
Nine ball?
- Yeah, nine ball, 10 ball, straight pool.
I played a lot of all those games,
but I played a lot of pool, a lot.
I played a lot of tournaments.
Yeah. To the point where I have,
I have a table in my old studio.
I have a table at home.
I collect pool cues.
I have a bunch of pool cues.
- Pool cues are fucking cool.
- Oh yeah.
- Especially when they unscrew
and you take, you get the fucking briefcase and, you know.
- The color of money.
- The color of money.
- What's in the case?
In here?
Doom.
- That is such a good movie.
My brother Todd got obsessed with pool
and we had a pool table in our basement,
but it was like classic Midwest basement
in that it couldn't, it wasn't fully unobstructed.
So we had this, we had this like weight bearing pole
right here.
- Short stick.
- If you ever had to go like in the middle,
you know, you had to do all this creative shit.
Short stick, we sawed one down.
- Yeah.
- But Todd got really into pool.
My dad took us to the nine ball championships one year
down in like West Virginia.
And we're like, you know, these guys are like excellent at pool.
I mean, they'll run racks after racks.
And it was like wild how the brain is not how my brain works,
but my brother's brain would be like one ball there,
two ball there is going to move it off here.
- And that's like geometry, chess.
It's all like that.
- Yeah, it is.
And it's also finesse and touch and feel.
- Yeah.
Great sounds in pool, huh?
- It's also a sport that thrives on drugs.
- Really?
Like an Adderall type situation?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they would gamble and they would play for 15, 16 hours.
The thing about pool is that they would play
until someone quit.
- That was like the gentleman's rule?
- You would never quit on somebody when you're ahead.
- Right.
- It's like if you quit on someone when you're ahead,
people would be mad at you.
- Right.
- And they didn't, like if you played like for two hours
and you won like $1,000 and you're like,
we'll play again tomorrow.
They'd be like, fuck you, stay.
And people would get mad at you.
They would really get upset and you would have a hard time
getting a game.
- Right.
- 'Cause you'd be a guy that quits while you're up.
- So you have to wipe out your opponent
until they say, I can't do this anymore.
- Yeah, it's like to the death.
- To the death.
- Yeah, it's like amongst top players.
Unless there was an agreement.
Like you could make an agreement.
- Yeah.
- And you could make an agreement, we will play two sets.
I'll play you two sets, race to 20,
for X amount of dollars per set.
But we're going to make an agreement right now, two sets.
That's rare though.
- Right.
- Most of the time they would post up
and they would play until guys went broke.
Like "The Hustler."
- Yep.
- "The Hustler" with Jackie Gleason and Paul Newman,
that was the theme of the movie,
is that Paul Newman is winning for like 15, 16 hours.
- Right, right.
- And then Jackie Gleason has character
and Paul Newman is self-destructive
and eventually Jackie Gleason overcomes him.
- I don't know if I've ever seen "The Hustler,"
but obviously that has helped Paul Newman
get cast in "Color of Money."
- Oh!
- For sure.
- That was the original.
- It was based on "Color of Money."
- Yeah, okay, that's what I wasn't sure.
- The "Color of Money" was the sequel.
- Okay, I didn't realize that.
- Yeah, they were both written by,
I think Walter Tevis is the guy who wrote it.
But I've read the books too.
They're pretty similar.
The character in the second movie is different.
Like there's a lot of things in "Color of Money"
that are different than made for Tom Cruise.
But in "The Hustler," Paul Newman retires
because he makes a deal with this mob guy.
- Okay.
- And at the end of it, he quits playing.
- Okay.
- So he's retired from "Pool."
And then he meets Tom Cruise many decades later.
- I see, okay.
- So "The Hustler" takes place, I think in,
I wanna say '63? - Okay.
- Somewhere around then, that's when that movie came out.
And so "Color of Money" is like 1984 or something like that.
- I fucking loved "Color of Money" when it came out.
- It's great.
That made "Pool" go through the roof.
People started playing "Pool" like crazy.
And people in the "Pool World" have always said
they need a movie, like "The Color of Money."
- Right.
- And "Pool Hall Junkies" some people liked,
but it never really had the same impact.
It wasn't that good.
It was okay.
Like some people liked it, but they couldn't really play.
- Right.
- If a person who plays "Pool" like I watch,
it would be very frustrating for me.
'Cause like if you were watching someone play tennis.
- Dude, it fucking infuriates me.
Any commercial with tennis,
they're holding the racket wrong.
It's like, just get anyone that plays tennis
to quickly advise you on the right grip.
And now I'm like, but all I can focus on is that.
And I believe "Color of Money,"
I remember reading about it,
that they like locked Tom Cruise in a room for three months
and taught him how to-- - Well, Tom Cruise worked
with Mike Siegel. - Okay.
- And Mike Siegel is one of the greatest pool players
that's ever lived. - Right.
- Multiple time world champion,
like literally one of the all time greats.
I've had the opportunity to play Mike Siegel.
I played him, I hung out with him.
He's a great guy.
And he was also left-handed, just like Tom Cruise.
- And Tom Cruise was left-handed.
- Yeah, and he taught Tom Cruise.
And Tom Cruise looks like a guy who can play a little.
Paul Newman in "The Hustler" does not really look like a guy
who can play. - Ah, interesting.
- He does a lot of goofy shit. - Right.
- But Jackie Gleason could play. - Could play.
- Jackie Gleason literally plays like a professional.
You watch Jackie Gleason in "The Hustler," like,
he spent a lot of time playing pool when he was a kid.
Like, look, Jackie Gleason was a guy who drank and smoked
and hung out in pool halls.
He was a man's man. - Yeah.
- He was a wild dude. - Yeah.
- And he could fucking play, like really play.
- How did you get introduced to pool?
- I hurt my ACL. - Okay.
- I tore my ACL ligament and I couldn't work out for a while.
And when I couldn't work out, me and my friend John,
he was a comic as well, we started going to this pool hall
in White Plains, New York.
And I just stumbled upon one of the great pool halls
in that area. - Wow.
- It's one of the reasons why I moved to New Rochelle,
'cause I could be close to White Plains.
- Oh my God. - 'Cause I was addicted to this pool.
- People get fucking addicted to pool.
- Yeah. - That's how my brother was, dude.
- What does it say?
Yeah, the video game "Doom" got its name for the film.
Yeah, the video game "Doom" got its name
from Tom Cruise opening up that,
because they wanted-- - I did not know that.
- Yeah, because when he opened up the case,
and he goes, "What's in the case?"
He goes, "In here?" - Oh my God, "Doom."
- I remember that with his dumb accent.
- Yes. - He was excellent in that film.
- That's what John-- - "Doom."
- Yeah, that's what they wanted to,
John Carmack wanted to say to the video game world.
- Ah.
- When they release "Doom," what's in there?
- "Doom." - "Doom" is in there.
- 'Cause this game is so crazy
in comparison to everything else.
Yeah, so that's where I came up with.
That's where I came up with the name.
- Yeah, it's something like the,
I forget the character's name in "Queen's Gambit,"
but when she kind of lays in bed,
and looks up and watches the world,
you kind of see pool players look at the table that way.
Da-da-da-da-da-da, this goes here, da-da-da-da-da, and--
- But there's, with pool there's execution, right?
The difference is you could miss a shot
where you're in perfect position,
whereas with chess, you just move the thing.
You don't have to think about
your physical hand-eye coordination and skills,
so nerves don't play a factor as much,
in terms of your ability to move your body.
So with pool, the thing that excited me about it was,
it was about controlling yourself under pressure,
and you're literally applying a certain amount
of pressure to a ball,
and you want to control the revolutions
that the ball makes over a long period,
so it's all touch and feel,
and the more you play, the more,
and you get in what they call dead punch or dead stroke,
where you understand exactly how much impact,
and exactly how hard to touch that cue,
exactly how much impact it has on the ball,
to just perfectly place that ball in position
for the next shot.
- It is, it's a great game.
My brother had a book called
How to Hustle Your Friends at Pool,
and he used to read it,
and we'd have friends come over,
and they would always get mad
that he was reading the book,
but he loved it, it's a great gambling sport.
Yeah, it's great.
- Well, it's a game where people get mad
if you pretend you're not good.
- Right.
- And it turns out you are good.
- Yeah, but isn't that what the hustle is?
- Yes, but what's interesting about it is,
it's also a game where people lie about how good they are.
- Right.
- Like, men always wanna pretend
they're really good at pool.
It's a weird thing.
- Yeah.
- Like, if guys don't know you play,
like, I play pretty good.
Like, I'm a B player.
- Yeah.
- Which means, like, I'm not a pro,
but if I practiced for six months
and really dedicated myself--
- You could be excellent.
- I could run racks.
I've run out three, four racks in a row.
I can play a little.
- Yeah.
- And if I played a lot,
I could play on a very high level.
But most people can't.
Like, I played for years, eight hours a day.
I played every day.
I always played.
I took a cue on the road with me everywhere I went.
When I would go on the road and do gigs,
I'd find pool halls and I'd play pool all night long.
- That's great.
- That's what I always did.
- But most men lie.
Like, they tell you, like, you say,
do you play pool?
Oh yeah.
Are you good?
Yeah, I'm pretty good.
Like, oh, are you really?
Like, how good are you?
I'm good, I always beat my friends.
Pretty good.
You're like, are you really good?
Like, have you ever played in tournaments?
They'll lie.
And then you play 'em and they suck.
- They suck.
Golf is like this.
What do you shoot?
I shoot about a hundred.
You go out there and you're like,
you fucking lie.
Or you cheat.
Everybody cheats at golf.
Everybody gets so surprised when they ask me
if I'm good at golf and I say,
I'm okay.
What do you shoot?
And I say, 110.
They go, no, there's no chance.
I get out there and you really count my strokes
and the time that I moved the ball
and the time that it, like, followed the rules,
I shot a 110.
But everybody lies.
- Is that a good number?
- No.
No.
- What's a good number?
- Par is 72.
But I guarantee you, he's gonna say he shoots in the 90s
and when we go out there and we actually play,
he's gonna shoot like 125, like a typical.
- No, not just.
- Yeah, but like 90-ish is probably a good number.
- Yeah, 90's a good number.
- I could get there, but.
- You would need a lot of time.
- Yeah.
- And you don't cheat.
But everybody lies, yeah, it's true.
People lie about, well, dude, the worst,
if you're a single guy trying to like pick up girls
and you gotta play pool with them
and they're fucking like garbage.
- Yeah, they beat you.
- They beat you.
- If a girl beats you at pool, good luck getting laid.
- Good luck, yeah.
- They don't wanna fuck you if they could beat you at pool.
- No, everyone knows that.
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Joe Rogan on "The Color of Money"

- The Joe Rogan Experience.
- I went down a pathway with Queen's Gambit
where I was like, is this a true story?
Because if this is true
that there was this beautiful, young, flawed woman,
that's very interesting to me.
It's not a true story.
There's a lot of people on the internet
who think that it is a true story.
It's based off a book,
but chess sales are through the roof.
You couldn't get a chess board when that thing came out.
- Really? - Yeah.
- Isn't that hilarious? - Wow.
- Like chess sales were going crazy,
which chess is a beautiful sport.
And much like long form conversation we have here,
long form game. - Yes.
- I mean, months you could really play.
They get into speed chess in that show,
but you can play chess forever, man.
- Yeah, I'm scared of chess.
I'm terrible at chess and I don't want to get good at it
because I think it's something that I would get absorbed with.
I remember there was a time where Howard Stern
got obsessed with chess and he was taking chess lessons
when he was talking about it on the show.
- Oh shit. - Yeah.
Yeah. And I remember thinking,
oh, he's an obsessive.
Like he'll, he'll, and I think he eventually bailed
and stopped, stopped doing it.
But I've had problems with video games.
I've had problems with pool.
I used to play pool competitively
and I get real obsessed with games.
And chess seems to be like the most intense
of all intellectual games.
- It's going to trigger the shit out of your intellectual.
Like what, what kind of billiards would you play?
Nine ball?
- Yeah, nine ball, 10 ball, straight pool.
I played a lot of all those games,
but I played a lot of pool, a lot.
I played a lot of tournaments.
Yeah. To the point where I have,
I have a table in my old studio.
I have a table at home.
I collect pool cues.
I have a bunch of pool cues.
- Pool cues are fucking cool.
- Oh yeah.
- Especially when they unscrew
and you take, you get the fucking briefcase and, you know.
- The color of money.
- The color of money.
- What's in the case?
In here?
Doom.
- That is such a good movie.
My brother Todd got obsessed with pool
and we had a pool table in our basement,
but it was like classic Midwest basement
in that it couldn't, it wasn't fully unobstructed.
So we had this, we had this like weight bearing pole
right here.
- Short stick.
- If you ever had to go like in the middle,
you know, you had to do all this creative shit.
Short stick, we sawed one down.
- Yeah.
- But Todd got really into pool.
My dad took us to the nine ball championships one year
down in like West Virginia.
And we're like, you know, these guys are like excellent at pool.
I mean, they'll run racks after racks.
And it was like wild how the brain is not how my brain works,
but my brother's brain would be like one ball there,
two ball there is going to move it off here.
- And that's like geometry, chess.
It's all like that.
- Yeah, it is.
And it's also finesse and touch and feel.
- Yeah.
Great sounds in pool, huh?
- It's also a sport that thrives on drugs.
- Really?
Like an Adderall type situation?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they would gamble and they would play for 15, 16 hours.
The thing about pool is that they would play
until someone quit.
- That was like the gentleman's rule?
- You would never quit on somebody when you're ahead.
- Right.
- It's like if you quit on someone when you're ahead,
people would be mad at you.
- Right.
- And they didn't, like if you played like for two hours
and you won like $1,000 and you're like,
we'll play again tomorrow.
They'd be like, fuck you, stay.
And people would get mad at you.
They would really get upset and you would have a hard time
getting a game.
- Right.
- 'Cause you'd be a guy that quits while you're up.
- So you have to wipe out your opponent
until they say, I can't do this anymore.
- Yeah, it's like to the death.
- To the death.
- Yeah, it's like amongst top players.
Unless there was an agreement.
Like you could make an agreement.
- Yeah.
- And you could make an agreement, we will play two sets.
I'll play you two sets, race to 20,
for X amount of dollars per set.
But we're going to make an agreement right now, two sets.
That's rare though.
- Right.
- Most of the time they would post up
and they would play until guys went broke.
Like "The Hustler."
- Yep.
- "The Hustler" with Jackie Gleason and Paul Newman,
that was the theme of the movie,
is that Paul Newman is winning for like 15, 16 hours.
- Right, right.
- And then Jackie Gleason has character
and Paul Newman is self-destructive
and eventually Jackie Gleason overcomes him.
- I don't know if I've ever seen "The Hustler,"
but obviously that has helped Paul Newman
get cast in "Color of Money."
- Oh!
- For sure.
- That was the original.
- It was based on "Color of Money."
- Yeah, okay, that's what I wasn't sure.
- The "Color of Money" was the sequel.
- Okay, I didn't realize that.
- Yeah, they were both written by,
I think Walter Tevis is the guy who wrote it.
But I've read the books too.
They're pretty similar.
The character in the second movie is different.
Like there's a lot of things in "Color of Money"
that are different than made for Tom Cruise.
But in "The Hustler," Paul Newman retires
because he makes a deal with this mob guy.
- Okay.
- And at the end of it, he quits playing.
- Okay.
- So he's retired from "Pool."
And then he meets Tom Cruise many decades later.
- I see, okay.
- So "The Hustler" takes place, I think in,
I wanna say '63? - Okay.
- Somewhere around then, that's when that movie came out.
And so "Color of Money" is like 1984 or something like that.
- I fucking loved "Color of Money" when it came out.
- It's great.
That made "Pool" go through the roof.
People started playing "Pool" like crazy.
And people in the "Pool World" have always said
they need a movie, like "The Color of Money."
- Right.
- And "Pool Hall Junkies" some people liked,
but it never really had the same impact.
It wasn't that good.
It was okay.
Like some people liked it, but they couldn't really play.
- Right.
- If a person who plays "Pool" like I watch,
it would be very frustrating for me.
'Cause like if you were watching someone play tennis.
- Dude, it fucking infuriates me.
Any commercial with tennis,
they're holding the racket wrong.
It's like, just get anyone that plays tennis
to quickly advise you on the right grip.
And now I'm like, but all I can focus on is that.
And I believe "Color of Money,"
I remember reading about it,
that they like locked Tom Cruise in a room for three months
and taught him how to-- - Well, Tom Cruise worked
with Mike Siegel. - Okay.
- And Mike Siegel is one of the greatest pool players
that's ever lived. - Right.
- Multiple time world champion,
like literally one of the all time greats.
I've had the opportunity to play Mike Siegel.
I played him, I hung out with him.
He's a great guy.
And he was also left-handed, just like Tom Cruise.
- And Tom Cruise was left-handed.
- Yeah, and he taught Tom Cruise.
And Tom Cruise looks like a guy who can play a little.
Paul Newman in "The Hustler" does not really look like a guy
who can play. - Ah, interesting.
- He does a lot of goofy shit. - Right.
- But Jackie Gleason could play. - Could play.
- Jackie Gleason literally plays like a professional.
You watch Jackie Gleason in "The Hustler," like,
he spent a lot of time playing pool when he was a kid.
Like, look, Jackie Gleason was a guy who drank and smoked
and hung out in pool halls.
He was a man's man. - Yeah.
- He was a wild dude. - Yeah.
- And he could fucking play, like really play.
- How did you get introduced to pool?
- I hurt my ACL. - Okay.
- I tore my ACL ligament and I couldn't work out for a while.
And when I couldn't work out, me and my friend John,
he was a comic as well, we started going to this pool hall
in White Plains, New York.
And I just stumbled upon one of the great pool halls
in that area. - Wow.
- It's one of the reasons why I moved to New Rochelle,
'cause I could be close to White Plains.
- Oh my God. - 'Cause I was addicted to this pool.
- People get fucking addicted to pool.
- Yeah. - That's how my brother was, dude.
- What does it say?
Yeah, the video game "Doom" got its name for the film.
Yeah, the video game "Doom" got its name
from Tom Cruise opening up that,
because they wanted-- - I did not know that.
- Yeah, because when he opened up the case,
and he goes, "What's in the case?"
He goes, "In here?" - Oh my God, "Doom."
- I remember that with his dumb accent.
- Yes. - He was excellent in that film.
- That's what John-- - "Doom."
- Yeah, that's what they wanted to,
John Carmack wanted to say to the video game world.
- Ah.
- When they release "Doom," what's in there?
- "Doom." - "Doom" is in there.
- 'Cause this game is so crazy
in comparison to everything else.
Yeah, so that's where I came up with.
That's where I came up with the name.
- Yeah, it's something like the,
I forget the character's name in "Queen's Gambit,"
but when she kind of lays in bed,
and looks up and watches the world,
you kind of see pool players look at the table that way.
Da-da-da-da-da-da, this goes here, da-da-da-da-da, and--
- But there's, with pool there's execution, right?
The difference is you could miss a shot
where you're in perfect position,
whereas with chess, you just move the thing.
You don't have to think about
your physical hand-eye coordination and skills,
so nerves don't play a factor as much,
in terms of your ability to move your body.
So with pool, the thing that excited me about it was,
it was about controlling yourself under pressure,
and you're literally applying a certain amount
of pressure to a ball,
and you want to control the revolutions
that the ball makes over a long period,
so it's all touch and feel,
and the more you play, the more,
and you get in what they call dead punch or dead stroke,
where you understand exactly how much impact,
and exactly how hard to touch that cue,
exactly how much impact it has on the ball,
to just perfectly place that ball in position
for the next shot.
- It is, it's a great game.
My brother had a book called
How to Hustle Your Friends at Pool,
and he used to read it,
and we'd have friends come over,
and they would always get mad
that he was reading the book,
but he loved it, it's a great gambling sport.
Yeah, it's great.
- Well, it's a game where people get mad
if you pretend you're not good.
- Right.
- And it turns out you are good.
- Yeah, but isn't that what the hustle is?
- Yes, but what's interesting about it is,
it's also a game where people lie about how good they are.
- Right.
- Like, men always wanna pretend
they're really good at pool.
It's a weird thing.
- Yeah.
- Like, if guys don't know you play,
like, I play pretty good.
Like, I'm a B player.
- Yeah.
- Which means, like, I'm not a pro,
but if I practiced for six months
and really dedicated myself--
- You could be excellent.
- I could run racks.
I've run out three, four racks in a row.
I can play a little.
- Yeah.
- And if I played a lot,
I could play on a very high level.
But most people can't.
Like, I played for years, eight hours a day.
I played every day.
I always played.
I took a cue on the road with me everywhere I went.
When I would go on the road and do gigs,
I'd find pool halls and I'd play pool all night long.
- That's great.
- That's what I always did.
- But most men lie.
Like, they tell you, like, you say,
do you play pool?
Oh yeah.
Are you good?
Yeah, I'm pretty good.
Like, oh, are you really?
Like, how good are you?
I'm good, I always beat my friends.
Pretty good.
You're like, are you really good?
Like, have you ever played in tournaments?
They'll lie.
And then you play 'em and they suck.
- They suck.
Golf is like this.
What do you shoot?
I shoot about a hundred.
You go out there and you're like,
you fucking lie.
Or you cheat.
Everybody cheats at golf.
Everybody gets so surprised when they ask me
if I'm good at golf and I say,
I'm okay.
What do you shoot?
And I say, 110.
They go, no, there's no chance.
I get out there and you really count