Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1613 - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Uploaded: 2021-03-02T00:00:00.000Z
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1613 - Ayaan Hirsi Ali' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2021-03-02. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1613 - Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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so first of all thanks for doing this I really appreciate it thanks for being
here yeah thank
you so much so you were saying that you're having a hard time getting people to
talk to you not
exactly I'm saying that when I had other books published my publisher would say
here's a list of
places you're going to to promote the book and it was quite striking that this
year it wasn't
I published my last book in 2015 it's called heretic and I was sent to you know
MSNBC all of
the mainstream media agencies CNN it was all over the place they said we want
you to go there and and I
went there and this year I just have to do podcasts it looks like so what has
been the response from
these mainstream sources whether it's an MSNBC or CNN or any of these places
they just aren't interested
I don't know exactly what the communication is between them and Harper Collins
and Harper Collins is my
publisher but we I had one invitation from a magazine called bust B-U-S-T it's
for girls and women about
breasts bust as in breasts sorry I I don't know I've been told it's a magazine
for very young people and it's
widely distributed so it's something that's popular and if you come out with a
book about women
well bust would be a good place to go to and then I was told so they had a
journalist lined up and a
photographer it was going to be a big deal and then we got a story saying sorry
it's not going to happen after all
because I am the supported JK Rowling the author of Harry Potter when in my
view JK Rowling came out in
support of women but I'm told that I make the people who read that particular
magazine and safe or that
there's a potential that I could make them unsafe yeah that's the phrase that
gets used
make them unsafe or make them feel unsafe or put them in danger and I first of
all the JK Rowling statements
they were not nearly as controversial as people made them out to be for
whatever reason do you remember exactly what she said
she said she said a number of things I think she challenged people like she and
myself being called people who menstruate
and she did do it you know with that British sense of humor so what are we
called these days
and she had
woman
spelled in different ways
yeah I'm not quite sure how to pronounce it because I only saw the spelling I
like when
they put the X yes women's and yeah we're mixing or whatever aren't we even
allowed to have a name people who
menstruate I'm sure there used to be a word for these people someone helped me
out
one bin one pun would opinion creating a more equal post-covid-19 world for
people who menstruate
yeah that is the yeah well her along with Martina Navatrolova which is another
person who got attacked by the woke mob where you just go wow
how far is this gone where a prominent lesbian woman who was one of the first
out athletes ever one of the greatest tennis players of all time
who says it's not fair for biological males to compete against women in in
these sports and
she gets labeled like the most vicious bigot alt-right person you could imagine
you're like how far is this stuff gone
it's gone too far and for women like me it's gone way too far I
mean where I come from most women actually fighting for the most basic rights
rights to be safe
Not to be killed where where I come from people
women
are subjected to femicide they don't like you they kill you
you violate the honor they kill you they take away your genitals
so there's a very basic
set of
rights that we don't even have that we are fighting for
and so to get to a place where
in the advanced world
we are told
you can't even be called by your own name
you know we've got to figure
people who menstruate
and when I read that I I just first I thought it was a joke and I thought I
could laugh it off
and then I came around and I thought this is not a laughing matter
we are going to have to stand up for at least what we've achieved in the west
and hope to drag people in the developing world to come to where we are
but our name as woman
plural women is not going to be taken away and I
I admire J.K. Rowling for taking that fight on
well I mean she just made a joke I mean that's all it was it was just a like
you said in British humor
you know
humor is gone now in in these discussions
I want to make it very clear that
I think that people who identify as trans transgender
whatever they want to call themselves
I'm a proponent of
them getting
you know their dignity their freedom live as they please
and if there's anything I can do
anything you can do
surely we must do that
but it must not be
um
at the expense of biological women
it can't be zero sum it can't be that
transgender people can only
thrive and flourish only if they put down women
I don't even think they think of it that way
I think they just think that you're going to
alienate the people that aren't biologically women
or alienate alienate the people in this case the J.K. Rowling thing things
people who are
biologically women but who identify as male
it's it's just gotten so complicated
and I don't think that they think they're doing a bad thing
I think they think they're standing up for trans people
but by saying
you know women who menstruate
for the vast majority of human beings you're talking about women
or excuse me by saying people who menstruate you're talking about women
and to deny that and say no we're just going to call it people who menstruate
for the very small amount of people who aren't
biologically women or don't think of themselves as biologically women
they think of themselves as trans it's just
it's so strange that this is this can get someone in trouble
it's very strange that it can it can get someone in trouble half the human
population
are female yeah women girls so is there is i think a way of lifting up people
who are transgender
to come out as they are and be who they are and feel comfortable in their skins
and for the rest of us to accept that without diminishing women
but the way to do it for us as women is to insist
yes we are women i'm not going to be called uh all the names that they try to
call me uh
radical terror for they have all sorts of labels that they've produced these
days
but i'm not going to accept that i'm not going to accept
being diminished or diminishing my sort but at the same time say you guys you
can move forward
maybe in some ways we could actually work together but the way to do that is to
have
parameters around which you can work there has to be common truth there has to
be objective truth
i'm one of the people who let them persuade me but right now i think they're
just two genders male and female
and from a biological perspective that's all we have
should we talk about that yes if there are people who feel that they're born in
the wrong body
and that they want to transition and they're grown-ups please by all means go
ahead and do that
but i think it is dangerous to adapt fact and reality to the emotions and
and ideologies of the day it just won't work it's going to cause even more
chaos even more
confrontations and conflict and the the only way to get us out of this is to
have honest proper
conversations informed by science informed by objectivity there is an objective
truth
there is something that is real and factual there's a a conformity that is uh
being enforced with uh this
kind of language and that's part of what this this what we're dealing with in
our current woke dilemma
is that people are being enforced to behave and and communicate in a way that
fits in with this
ideology despite whether or not it's um whether whether or not it's backed by
biological science
and that you know like if someone has had uh sex with a woman and and fathered
children
multiple children and then decides that they are now a woman themselves people
will say well they've always
been a woman well that doesn't even make sense like maybe they felt they should
have been a woman maybe
they feel like they're in the wrong body but you can't say they've always been
a woman but that is
the conformity that's the this is the the the when you're applying the rules of
the ideology that's
what you're supposed to say she's always been a woman and you're like okay well
we're in a weird
place so how did she get a woman pregnant like what kind of magic are we
talking about like now we're
not talking about science anymore now i'm not talking about biology yeah we're
forcing but we're forcing our
ideology this ideology is forcing biological science to conform to it rather
than just looking at it in
terms of this these objective realities that's right and so it is up to the
wider population to object to
that um you just mentioned somebody who fathered children in order to have an
objective analysis
of that we look at paternity issues if you if a woman claims that you fathered
her child and you didn't
there's a way of through science we have a way of finding out whether you're
the father or not
and so if there's universal agreement on what that test yields that science
before you got me into
your studio you had me get tested for covid as you did for others we that's
objective truth
we have to get tested so that you and i both feel safe and we're here so we can't
when it comes to
science we can't pick and choose and say you know when it comes to certain
things that suit me i agree to
objective truth and science but then with the other things that don't suit me
when i wanted to pretend
that there are 10 or 12 or 1400 gender differences in that case science is
racist in science is wrong and
there is no science it's all about subjectivity and i think it's for the wider
population to come out and
say you can't pick and choose and and i would say in many ways that's the basis
of science is that it's not
in anyone's favor science doesn't understand ideology this virus whatever it is
the wuhan virus i don't
care what name you give it but whether it infects you or it infects me it doesn't
care and the science
who after trying to figure out what is it and then go from there once you
understand once you have a
name for it and you understand what the problem is then you start trying to
figure out and how to deal
with it that's what science offers us and i think it is very very important
that we come out
as a nation as a people uh any anyone who values objective truth and science to
say
that's something i'm not willing to let go i am compassion i i feel a lot of
empathy for people who
who want to transition from one gender to the other who think that they are
born in the wrong body
and wants to do everything they can to get in a body that makes them
comfortable and happy
but not at the cost of science is this particularly offensive to you because i
mean it must be because
of your background and you briefly talked about that but for people don't know
you i would like you to
explain your upbringing where you came from and how you had to literally risk
your life to escape that
so i was born in somalia in 1969 and growing up in the 70s my family went to saudi
arabia we went to
ethiopia we went to kenya that's where i learned english and then finally in
1992 i ended up in the
netherlands but if you ask me in the context of science to tell you about those
years between you
know when i could walk and talk and understand what was going around me until
about 1992 when i left
i come from territories where superstition is it's the thing to do you know my
father left us in 1982
he left us in kenya he went back to ethiopia to fight for what he felt was his
calling
democracy and a just system for the somali people but in kenya my mother who
was with my grandmother her
mother's mother they felt abandoned in a strange country and they didn't
understand what was going
on and they had the three of us the three of us that is my older brother and my
younger sister
and as children go we were terrible and i remember my mother going off to see
witch doctors
and ask them how how do