Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1617 - Mike Baker
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1617 - Mike Baker' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2021-03-10. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1617 - Mike Baker

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that sound is the sweet and sultry sound of Mike Baker lighting a cigar hey now
good to see you
buddy what's happening good to be seen good to be seen now you know not much
going on in these times
of ours I'm very excited to talk to you because I had a guy on Jamie Metzl
yesterday a scientist
who scared the shit out of me talking about China he's talking about China we
were talking about
China massing naval power China's taking over tech companies and how huge they're
getting and how much
influence they have over their people as opposed to the way we do it well he's
not wrong yeah I can't
spot the lion and what what you just said but I mean look that I mean there's
so much we can we can we
can talk about but if you think about it just in the past handful of months
there was this solar winds
hack right by the Russians so the Russians go in they hack into a company
called solar winds there
is an IT management software company that happens to be fairly deep into
government organizations
agencies treasury and a variety of others throughout the US government and they're
also into parts of the
intel community defense department and a lot of commercial sectors so anyway
the Russians figure this
out now round about December or January Microsoft you know identified this as a
problem and and I think
was the head of Microsoft said it looks like the most sophisticated attack we've
ever seen so this is
December January time frame and they're still trying to figure out the depth of
this hack by Russians
at the same time and going back months and months and months and months before
the Chinese had been
engaged in a more sophisticated attack that while everyone is focused on what's
going on and so
fully aware that we got problems right from from nation-states out there who
don't like us
everybody's talking about solar winds and now it's you know they've just now
released information about the
Chinese attack against Microsoft Exchange servers and running the exchange
email systems. And this
thing is enormous. And so the Chinese, yeah, I mean, we've been so focused for
four years on the
Russians, you know, and they're, you know, they're out there to cause us all
sorts of problems. So
we should be focused on them. But it's China, that's the biggest problem. And
so this guy is
absolutely right. Jamie's right. It was terrifying. Listen to what he was
talking about the way he was
explaining how they, you know, they have this plan, I think he said 2049 to be
the global superpower of
the world and essentially be take the place of what America used to be. Yeah,
they do it their way.
And do it their way, which means we're going to bypass all the costs and the
heavy lift of research
and development over the years, and we're just going to steal everything. And
they've been doing
it for decades. So people think, oh, China, it's a problem. It's a problem. We've
talked about this
before, you know, this idea that perhaps this is just something relatively new
or it's popped up
during the previous administration of Trump. And honest to God's truth is it's
been going on for
decades. And they decided that that's how they're going to get to the top of
the food chain is by
stealing shit, because it's a lot easier to hoover up everything and then
reverse engineer it.
And the technology has made it even easier, right? It used to be old school,
they'd go out and recruit
somebody, they'd find some Chinese American working for a company here in the
States, they'd appeal to
sort of, you know, you got to help the motherland. And they would. And that was
the old school way of
doing it. But, you know, cyber theft is it's incredible what they're able to do.
And this latest attack while
they they're still trying to sort out the mess, right?
So when they do this, so if they get into this email server, are they targeting
anything specific? Is there
specific companies? Are they just like throwing a net out there and seeing what
they catch?
Yes, it's the answer to both of those. It's, it looks like what happened here
was that their initial
point of attack or the initial focus was intelligence, right? So then it branched
out and it branched out
very, very quickly, right, to hit everything, small companies, medium sized
companies. And that's kind of
the MO for the Chinese, the Chinese regime, right, the and their Intel
operations. They've got this long
vision. And they've also got the resources, and they've got the desire to hoover
up everything, and
then sort it out later. We take as a country, we take a very sort of targeted
approach, right? We say,
okay, this is a piece of information that's a priority tasking for the US for
our national security,
we're going to go out, we're going to figure out who has access to it, we're
going to develop a very
sort of surgical strike to figure out how do we get to somebody who's got this
piece of information.
That's typically how we or some of our allies would operate. The Russians, the
Chinese have always
had a different approach. I mean, the Russians is less elegant, the Russians
are just throw shit at
the wall and see what sticks, right? But the Chinese, they've got this long
view, and they've also got
this ability. And they'll so in this particular attack that they're still
trying to assess,
that was perpetrated by, you know, Chinese state sponsored hackers, based in
China. They're just
going to take everything, and then they'll sift through it, they'll figure out
what they got.
A lot of it's going to be just, you know, chafe, not of interest, but they're
going to find a lot of
gold in there too. And they're willing to do that, because they've got the
patience to do it. They'll
they'll develop a target, they'll develop a potential recruit for years and
years and years,
or they'll, they'll infiltrate a society or an organization, right? They'll put
a student out
here, who's actually working for the PLA for their Intel operations. And they'll
put them out as an
undergrad, and then they'll go to school, and they'll get good grades, and they'll
go to a grad school,
and they'll get a job, they'll get another job, and then 30 years down the line,
it may pay off,
but they're willing to make that investment. So, all right.
So we should be scared. Well, we shouldn't be scared, but we should, yeah, we,
I don't think
we should be scared, but I think what we should be is, is pragmatic, and
understand why, for instance,
I mean, there was a lot of, you know, hue and cry over the past four years. I
can't believe I just
said hue and cry. I don't even know what that means. I don't know. It's old
timey.
Is it? Oh, by golly. Look at me. It's like the cat's pajamas. It's so, you know,
four years of
Trump, and sort of his antagonistic relationship with China, and people were
all wringing their
hands in Washington, DC, you know, that sort of the think tankers, and the
traditional pundits,
and the diplomats of, of, of, of, of the U.S., you know, the long-term people.
They're, oh my God,
we've got this adversarial relationship with China. Well, you know what? We
better, right?
So that's not a bad thing. So I'm hoping the current administration maintains
to some degree,
and we'll see what happens. They still haven't responded to the solar winds, to
the Russian hack,
right? They're talking about it. Now they're saying they're going to, they're
going to engage in
several clandestine, uh, retaliatory acts. Well, it's not that clandestine
because they've announced
that they're going to do it. Um, and so, you know, but, but I'm hoping that
they will take serious
action, uh, uh, against the, the solar winds, Russian act, but they've got to
with China. They've,
they've got to maintain this, uh, posture. We've got to, uh, make it clear and
understood
to the Chinese regime that we're not going to put up with this shit. They're
going to keep doing it,
but we've got to make it painful for them. So how do you make it painful?
Well, you know, it's the old word sanctions. You got to go with the sanctions
because there's not much
else. Trade wars, you know, I know everybody hates a trade war, not everybody,
but, um, you've, you've,
you've got to find a way because the problem with, with cyber, uh, shenanigans
is that there's no real
clear definition, right? We know if we, if, if a country fires a ballistic
missile off, uh, you know,
we know what the rhetoric retaliatory or retaliatory act is. We know what
appropriate response is
in cyberspace. When you're talking about warfare, coming up with a definition
is very difficult and
hasn't been done yet. We've got cyber command, right? And we're still trying to
sort out what
are appropriate responses because they can escalate quickly, right? Next thing
you know,
they could shut down our infrastructure, right? Well, that's what I wanted to
talk to you about.
Supposedly what they did in India. So if you could explain that to people, they
shut down the power
grid in India, allegedly, they said they didn't do it, but apparently there was
some sort of a warning
about the power going out, right? Yeah. Um, they've done it. Um, I mean, the
Russians did it famously in
Ukraine, right? I mean, not that long ago and, um, China's ability to interfere,
uh, in, uh,
infrastructure here in the U S or in India or, uh, with our allies is because
for years now,
they've been probing, there's been testing going on. You know, we, we, we talk
about, um, it's a good
example. We talk about how, um, in the U S we have three grids and I think
people were, were stunned
to find out that Texas has its own power grid. Well, yeah. Uh, but it's not so
much people were like,
oh my God, look at Texas. They're terrible because you know, they wanted to
make it a political thing,
right? They wanted to make it sound like the, the reason why it's so terrible
is because it's
Republicans and they've got, they want their own independence. Well, no, all
three grids are
fucked, right? The East and the West and the, and the Texas grids are all cobbled
together over the
years. So it's a very sort of, it's like a patchwork quilt and they were never
built to withstand,
uh, physical attacks. I mean, you could drive by any substation, right? You
could get close enough
to pee on it. And there's, they, they certainly were never designed to
withstand a cyber attack. So
over the years, what goes on is essentially a mapping exercise, right? Where,
whether it's the Russians,
whether it's the Chinese, whether it's the North Koreans using Chinese
capabilities, whether it's the
Iranians, whomever, they're in there probing and trying to understand the
weaknesses and they're
drawing up a map. Now, the reason why they're doing that is to have a game plan,
right? And I guarantee
you sitting on the desk somewhere, not too far from, you know, Xi's office is a
playbook that says,
if this thing escalates, here's what we're going to do. And if you think like
it was bad in Texas,
you know, a couple of weeks ago when, you know, the power was out and it was
bad, but think about that
lasting for eight, 10, 12 weeks around the country, right? Power grid shutdown,
what happens? You can't
transport shit, right? You can't get cash. Fuel doesn't get to the gas stations.
Food doesn't get
to the stores. There's, you know, depending on the time of year, heat issues,
obviously, water supplies.
Uh, and that's where the next big battle is going to be fought, right? They're
going to bring it to the
homeland. And we will do the same thing, right? It's not like we're not doing
it because people always
say when I say something like that, well, the U.S. does it too. I think, well,
fuck yeah,
the U.S. does it. We better, we better hope we're prepared. Does that frustrate
you when people say
that? Well, the U.S. does it too. Yeah, it does in a sense because, and this is
where I think,
you know, that now personal opinion comes into it. Look, I spent most of my
adult life overseas and
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