Name: Dr. Rhonda Patrick on Vaccine Misinformation and Long-haul Covid
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
But, you know, since we're on this topic, can we talk a little bit about
vaccines?
Yes.
Because it's something I have seen a lot of misinformation, like, on everywhere.
Facebook, on, you know, different news media outlets.
And I think there's really, like, some main ones that I just feel are causing
harm.
And so there's really eight of them.
We don't need to talk about all of them.
But I think the eight really are that, you know, SARS-CoV-2 is not that bad.
COVID-19 is not that bad.
And, you know, vaccines basically don't prevent transmission.
Spike protein from vaccines are cytotoxic.
Therefore, they're really bad.
That vaccines are going to cause something called antibody-dependent
enhancement,
which is going to make you have a more severe disease.
There's the vaccines are going to cause infertility.
There's the vaccines are going to cause a more virulent strain or variant.
And then there's one more that alternatives to vaccines exist right now that
are just as good.
And I think that there's a few of those that are really, I mean, just like blatantly,
they're wrong.
All of them, I think there, but I mean, you know, there's some that are more
important than others.
And I think that I would like to talk about them.
You know, I think first and foremost, there's like two groups of people, mostly.
One take thinks COVID-19 is bad, doesn't want it, wants the vaccine.
And the other one that thinks it's not that bad and that the vaccines may be
harmful.
And there's also people.
Do you think the vaccines are harmful to anyone?
Well, of course.
I mean.
Do you know anyone that's had bad reactions to vaccines?
I personally, interestingly, the only I've know a lot of people that have
gotten vaccinated.
And the only person that I know that had something was like, she had a headache
for like a week and a half.
And then it went away.
Oh, no, another person I knew had like nausea for like a couple of weeks.
They were like nauseous more, more frequently, but it went away.
You know, do you think you would feel differently if you knew someone that had
a stroke or someone who's had heart attacks?
Perhaps young people that have?
Well, it's hard to say.
So, you know, I do people react differently.
Obviously, when you're giving, you know, 100 and more than 169 million people
are vaccinated, right?
I mean, that's half our adult population is vaccinated, fully vaccinated with
COVID-19.
And it's not zero risk.
Some people are some people are going to have an adverse reaction.
And they do.
It's a big world out there.
You know, like if you were to give 169 million people a peanut or a shellfish,
like some people are going to have very adverse reactions.
Some people are going to die.
Like it's a big world.
But, you know, with with the stroke or the heart attack, you know, you have to
like like so if you're trying to compare, for example, let's say, you know, you're
looking at actual COVID-19 deaths and from heart attacks and strokes.
And you're looking at the vaccine adverse events reporting site VAERS, right?
And that as well.
You know, you have to realize that basically in the United States, like in 2017,
there was a publication in the Journal of Circulation.
Someone dies from cardiovascular disease every 30 seconds in the United States,
like every 30 seconds.
Most of those people are above the age of 50 and certainly most are above 65.
But every 30 seconds, someone's dying from cardiovascular disease.
Every 40 seconds, someone in the United States has a stroke.
Every four minutes, they die from a stroke.
But this is also very, very rare in young people, particularly young, healthy
people.
But one thing that has occurred in young, healthy people that have been
vaccinated is myocarditis.
And some people have had blood clots, like quite a few blood clots.
And there's speculation, right?
The Salk Institute released that paper about the spike protein causing some
sort of deterioration of the blood vessels.
Did you read that?
I looked at the spike.
I've been looking at a lot of the spike protein.
And that's from COVID-19.
They're discussing it.
They're talking about from the actual disease itself.
Yes.
So, you know, first of all, like there, you have to like, there's, you're
either going to get infected with SARS-CoV-2.
Most people are going to be eventually, we're all going to be exposed to it.
So you're either going to be vaccinated when you're exposed to it or not.
And people are dying from heart attacks and blood clots.
And even people are getting myocarditis like a hundred full times more than
vaccines.
And the myocarditis link from the mRNA, specifically the mRNA vaccines, is real.
And I think the last I saw it was like 50 per million, which it's still rare.
And it's...
It's happened to two people that I know.
So up until then, and actually now that you asked me, I forgot.
I had a, someone who's a supporter.
I talked about vaccines in one of my Q and A's I do.
And they went and got it and they were younger and ended up having some kind of
myocarditis.
So I do know someone that had, I don't know them, but they emailed me.
Now, what happens if you have that?
And like, how do you recover from that?
But you realize it's happening to young people.
So myocarditis is caused by two things.
One, by inflammation.
Two, by direct viral infection.
And it's more common in adolescents and young people.
And it's an enlargement of the heart.
It's inflammation of the heart can lead to that.
Yeah.
But it's, it's happening in young athletes with COVID-19.
Like, and it's happening like more frequently than people that are getting
vaccinated.
So it's still like, well, if the person that got vaccinated, look, it is a risk,
but it's
still pretty rare.
And it also is treatable.
And most cases they treat it like within a few days and it's isolated.
Why do you think that people like, there are people that are completely asymptomatic
when
they get COVID or if they do get it, it's very mild.
Do you think that's because they have a lower viral load that they've been
infected with?
Or do you think it's their immune system that fights it off?
Like, what do you think is happening?
It could be any and all of those things, a combination of them.
And, you know, but so like, even if you think, you know, if you're looking at
just like the
most extreme part of like the deaths, right?
You know, you've got like over 624,000 deaths in COVID-19.
Most of those deaths are happening in people over the age of 50.
And if you look at like-
Most of them have four plus comorbidity factors, right?
Isn't that the average?
I don't know if it's four plus for average for, I think the comorbidities
increase.
Yeah.
Let's find out what the number of comorbidities are in terms of like the deaths.
It used to be 2.6, but I think they raised it to four.
Really?
The number of them are four.
Okay.
I think so.
I might be wrong.
But I know it was at least 2.6.
Right.
So then there's the argument, well, I'm healthy.
I don't have comorbidities, right?
I mean, so what should I do?
Like, should I, you know, get vaccinated or should I be exposed to the virus?
And I think there's a lot of evidence and there's multiple lines of evidence.
One, you know, there are people with mild symptoms that are getting post-acute
COVID syndrome.
They're getting this, what people call long-haul COVID.
And the majority of people-
What do you think that is?
What is post, what is long-haul COVID?
I don't know what it is.
I think it depends on the symptoms.
I think there could be a variety of causes for it.
You know, so there are people, and most of it's, this is happening in teenagers
to like 50.
Most of the people that are older are not getting this long-haul COVID.
It's like happening in people that are mostly not being hospitalized.
People that don't get hospitalized originally, like they have mostly like
pretty mild symptoms.
In some cases, even asymptomatic.
You know, there was a study published in the Lancet like last year showing
there is a seven-fold increase in stroke incidents in people under 50 in the
United States compared to the year before that, before the pandemic start.
And that is probably because of the spike protein that causes this deterioration
of the blood vessels and blood clots.
Is that what it is from the virus?
Well, I don't know what it is.
I mean, there's lots of things.
You know, viral infections themselves can cause hypercoagulation.
They can cause blood clots.
Like just like that's like known from other viruses.
Like that's some, there's inflammation.
Without the spike protein.
Without the spike protein.
So let's, okay.
I feel like I haven't got to address everything, but let's talk about the spike
protein.
So I can get there and do it real quick.
I think this four point, is that where I would find this information?
I hope that's the spot.
Yeah.
There is an average of 4.0 additional conditions or causes of death for data on
deaths involving COVID-19 by time period, jurisdiction, and other health
conditions.
So it says only 5% of COVID was the only cause.
So for only 5% of the COVID deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.
So out of those 600,000 people that died, only 5% died just from COVID-19.
Well, I mean, so you have people that are, COVID-19 is going to make their comorbidities
worse.
And that could be the same for a vaccine.
It could be the same for anything, right?
I mean, so like something that's going to activate the immune system.
Yeah, but the concern is with vaccines, the negative effects that what people
are worried about, I think, is young people that are healthy, that have
negative effects.
Mm-hmm.
Like that have had strokes or that have had thrombosis or myocarditis and those
issues, right?
Well, you know, again, if you look at the data, you know, young people are also
experiencing those things at a higher rate.
And are those all the people with the comorbidities?
Like, I don't know.
You know, like, I'm not sure.
But it seems as though no matter which way you look at it, like, it is worse to
be exposed to that virus.
And like, how do you know that person that had that myocarditis wouldn't have
had it X-fold worse with the COVID-19?
Because it's been shown to happen in young, healthy athletes.
You know, and people are--
Has it been shown in large numbers?
Like, the athletes--
More, more so, more so.
Is it--
More so than the vaccine?
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, I'm saying that it's happening.
Myocarditis is from the vaccines.
It's happening in younger people at a higher rate than from the vaccines.
Do we have accurate data, do you think, about how many myocarditis instances we
have from the vaccine?
Well, you could argue there's an underreporting.
I think people--
So, anyone can submit data to the VAERS.
And I think when it comes to someone who's younger, they're more likely--
I mean, so, healthcare professionals have to submit to the VAERS if there's,
like, something that's life-threatening,
which myocarditis could be, or if it's a death or something that's, like, you
know, changes their daily functions, like, congenital effects--
They have to submit it?
Yes, if they are--
Even if--
But if they--
How do they know that myocarditis is caused by the vaccine?
They don't.
But if the person had gotten vaccinated--
And by the way, there's no time constraint.
Like, it's not like, oh, if they've only been, you know, vaccinated within,
like, two months.
Like, they're supposed to-- they're supposed to submit to VAERS, like, if
someone was vaccinated--
They're supposed to?
Yes.
Is there encouragement or discouragement to submit to VAERS?
I don't know.
I don't know.
But, I mean, you know, if you-- again, even just looking at the deaths in every
age group, even.
Like, you know, people that are in my age group, 40 to 49, you know, there's 20,000
deaths that have been linked to the confirmed COVID-19 cases.
Right.
You know, in VAERS, it's 200.
And even if you triple that--
With comorbidities.
For people with comorbidities, obviously, it's a real issue.
Yeah.
I don't know if that's always the case.
But, yes, definitely with people with comorbidities--
Because according to this, what we pulled up, it's 5% that are dying just of
the COVID.
95% have an average of four comorbidities.
Okay.
Well, if that's true for all ages, then, you know, yes, people with comorbidities
are more likely to die.
But also, younger people, like I said, they're more likely to get, you know,
these long-haul symptoms.
Where I've known so many people, you know, that they've gotten, like, their
loss of smell or taste has been, like, several months.
And there's now studies showing that, you know, if you-- there was a huge study
out of the Biobank, UK Biobank data, where right before the pandemic started,
MRIs were done, brain scans, on, like, almost 1,000 people.
It was, like, over 800.
And then the pandemic hit.
People got COVID.
Some people didn't.
Whatever.
So, they brought these-- the same cohort of people back in for a brain scan.
And, you know, basically, they corrected for people.
So, they had people that-- they compared people that were the same age, same
gender, same sex.
And then they also timed between scans.
And they found that both mild and severe COVID-19 cases caused a atrophy in the
gray matter region of the brain.
It was worse in people that had it more severe.
Right.
But people that had mild cases that didn't go to the hospital had it.
How many people did they study with this?
It was over 800.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, it's-- you need more data to confirm.
But, I mean--
Were these people-- did they stratify it by age?
Did they have it by health?
Age, gender, ethnicity, health, I don't know.
Did they have comorbidities?
Did they factor that in?
They had people that age the same age, you know, as the people didn't get COVID.
They didn't have it.
I mean, you know, this is several months.
This is just months after.
Right.
I don't know about the health.
Did they monitor their nutrition or find out what kind of supplements they were
on or not?
I don't know if any of that data was, you know, in it, but--
Do you think that data would be a factor at all?
I don't know because I know people that supplement that exercise that have had--
were diagnosed with-- they had a mild case and they were diagnosed with POTS,
you know, post postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, where their heart was
racing, like tachycardia was racing just uncontrollably.
They were dizzy, couldn't-- had no energy.
I mean, this was months and they finally got diagnosed and there's like a lot
of people coming out with this, but, you know.
Do you know anybody that had COVID and got through it with almost no symptoms
at all and was very mild?
Um, well, yeah, no symptoms at all, but the people that I do know, most of them
had some kind of weird taste issue, like, or smell thing for, like, weeks and
weeks, but, um, but, yeah.
You don't know anybody that didn't have that?
Um, I don't because most of the people I know that had it lost their smell.
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Dr. Rhonda Patrick on Vaccine Misinformation and Long-haul Covid

The Joe Rogan Experience.
But, you know, since we're on this topic, can we talk a little bit about
vaccines?
Yes.
Because it's something I have seen a lot of misinformation, like, on everywhere.
Facebook, on, you know, different news media outlets.
And I think there's really, like, some main ones that I just feel are causing
harm.
And so there's really eight of them.
We don't need to talk about all of them.
But I think the eight really are that, you know, SARS-CoV-2 is not that bad.
COVID-19 is not that bad.
And, you know, vaccines basically don't prevent transmission.
Spike protein from vaccines are cytotoxic.
Therefore, they're really bad.
That vaccines are going to cause something called antibody-dependent
enhancement,
which is going to make you have a more severe disease.
There's the vaccines are going to cause infertility.
There's the vaccines are going to cause a more virulent strain or variant.
And then there's one more that alternatives to vaccines exist right now that
are just as good.
And I think that there's a few of those that are really, I mean, just like blatantly,
they're wrong.
All of them, I think there, but I mean, you know, there's some that are more
important than others.
And I think that I would like to talk about them.
You know, I think first and foremost, there's like two groups of people, mostly.
One take thinks COVID-19 is bad, doesn't want it, wants the vaccine.
And the other one that thinks it's not that bad and that the vaccines may be
harmful.
And there's also people.
Do you think the vaccines are harmful to anyone?
Well, of course.
I mean.
Do you know anyone that's had bad reactions to vaccines?
I personally, interestingly, the only I've know a lot of people that have
gotten vaccinated.
And the only person that I know that had something was like, she had a headache
for like a week and a half.
And then it went away.
Oh, no, another person I knew had like nausea for like a couple of weeks.
They were like nauseous more, more frequently, but it went away.
You know, do you think you would feel differently if you knew someone that had
a stroke or someone who's had heart attacks?
Perhaps young people that have?
Well, it's hard to say.
So, you know, I do people react differently.
Obviously, when you're giving, you know, 100 and more than 169 million people
are vaccinated, right?
I mean, that's half our adult population is vaccinated, fully vaccinated with
COVID-19.
And it's not zero risk.
Some people are some people are going to have an adverse reaction.
And they do.
It's a big world out there.
You know, like if you were to give 169 million people a peanut or a shellfish,
like some people are going to have very adverse reactions.
Some people are going to die.
Like it's a big world.
But, you know, with with the stroke or the heart attack, you know, you have to
like like so if you're trying to compare, for example, let's say, you know, you're
looking at actual COVID-19 deaths and from heart attacks and strokes.
And you're looking at the vaccine adverse events reporting site VAERS, right?
And that as well.
You know, you have to realize that basically in the United States, like in 2017,
there was a publication in the Journal of Circulation.
Someone dies from cardiovascular disease every 30 seconds in the United States,
like every 30 seconds.
Most of those people are above the age of 50 and certainly most are above 65.
But every 30 seconds, someone's dying from cardiovascular disease.
Every 40 seconds, someone in the United States has a stroke.
Every four minutes, they die from a stroke.
But this is also very, very rare in young people, particularly young, healthy
people.
But one thing that has occurred in young, healthy people that have been
vaccinated is myocarditis.
And some people have had blood clots, like quite a few blood clots.
And there's speculation, right?
The Salk Institute released that paper about the spike protein causing some
sort of deterioration of the blood vessels.
Did you read that?
I looked at the spike.
I've been looking at a lot of the spike protein.
And that's from COVID-19.
They're discussing it.
They're talking about from the actual disease itself.
Yes.
So, you know, first of all, like there, you have to like, there's, you're
either going to get infected with SARS-CoV-2.
Most people are going to be eventually, we're all going to be exposed to it.
So you're either going to be vaccinated when you're exposed to it or not.
And people are dying from heart attacks and blood clots.
And even people are getting myocarditis like a hundred full times more than
vaccines.
And the myocarditis link from the mRNA, specifically the mRNA vaccines, is real.
And I think the last I saw it was like 50 per million, which it's still rare.
And it's...
It's happened to two people that I know.
So up until then, and actually now that you asked me, I forgot.
I had a, someone who's a supporter.
I talked about vaccines in one of my Q and A's I do.
And they went and got it and they were younger and ended up having some kind of
myocarditis.
So I do know someone that had, I don't know them, but they emailed me.
Now, what happens if you have that?
And like, how do you recover from that?
But you realize it's happening to young people.
So myocarditis is caused by two things.
One, by inflammation.
Two, by direct viral infection.
And it's more common in adolescents and young people.
And it's an enlargement of the heart.
It's inflammation of the heart can lead to that.
Yeah.
But it's, it's happening in young athletes with COVID-19.
Like, and it's happening like more frequently than people that are getting
vaccinated.
So it's still like, well, if the person that got vaccinated, look, it is a risk,
but it's
still pretty rare.
And it also is treatable.
And most cases they treat it like within a few days and it's isolated.
Why do you think that people like, there are people that are completely asymptomatic
when
they get COVID or if they do get it, it's very mild.
Do you think that's because they have a lower viral load that they've been
infected with?
Or do you think it's their immune system that fights it off?
Like, what do you think is happening?
It could be any and all of those things, a combination of them.
And, you know, but so like, even if you think, you know, if you're looking at
just like the
most extreme part of like the deaths, right?
You know, you've got like over 624,000 deaths in COVID-19.
Most of those deaths are happening in people over the age of 50.
And if you look at like-
Most of them have four plus comorbidity factors, right?
Isn't that the average?
I don't know if it's four plus for average for, I think the comorbidities
increase.
Yeah.
Let's find out what the number of comorbidities are in terms of like the deaths.
It used to be 2.6, but I think they raised it to four.
Really?
The number of them are four.
Okay.
I think so.
I might be wrong.
But I know it was at least 2.6.
Right.
So then there's the argument, well, I'm healthy.
I don't have comorbidities, right?
I mean, so what should I do?
Like, should I, you know, get vaccinated or should I be exposed to the virus?
And I think there's a lot of evidence and there's multiple lines of evidence.
One, you know, there are people with mild symptoms that are getting post-acute
COVID syndrome.
They're getting this, what people call long-haul COVID.
And the majority of people-
What do you think that is?
What is post, what is long-haul COVID?
I don't know what it is.
I think it depends on the symptoms.
I think there could be a variety of causes for it.
You know, so there are people, and most of it's, this is happening in teenagers
to like 50.
Most of the people that are older are not getting this long-haul COVID.
It's like happening in people that are mostly not being hospitalized.
People that don't get hospitalized originally, like they have mostly like
pretty mild symptoms.
In some cases, even asymptomatic.
You know, there was a study published in the Lancet like last year showing
there is a seven-fold increase in stroke incidents in people under 50 in the
United States compared to the year before that, before the pandemic start.
And that is probably because of the spike protein that causes this deterioration
of the blood vessels and blood clots.
Is that what it is from the virus?
Well, I don't know what it is.
I mean, there's lots of things.
You know, viral infections themselves can cause hypercoagulation.
They can cause blood clots.
Like just like that's like known from other viruses.
Like that's some, there's inflammation.
Without the spike protein.
Without the spike protein.
So let's, okay.
I feel like I haven't got to address everything, but let's talk about the spike
protein.
So I can get there and do it real quick.
I think this four point, is that where I would find this information?
I hope that's the spot.
Yeah.
There is an average of 4.0 additional conditions or causes of death for data on
deaths involving COVID-19 by time period, jurisdiction, and other health
conditions.
So it says only 5% of COVID was the only cause.
So for only 5% of the COVID deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.
So out of those 600,000 people that died, only 5% died just from COVID-19.
Well, I mean, so you have people that are, COVID-19 is going to make their comorbidities
worse.
And that could be the same for a vaccine.
It could be the same for anything, right?
I mean, so like something that's going to activate the immune system.
Yeah, but the concern is with vaccines, the negative effects that what people
are worried about, I think, is young people that are healthy, that have
negative effects.
Mm-hmm.
Like that have had strokes or that have had thrombosis or myocarditis and those
issues, right?
Well, you know, again, if you look at the data, you know, young people are also
experiencing those things at a higher rate.
And are those all the people with the comorbidities?
Like, I don't know.
You know, like, I'm not sure.
But it seems as though no matter which way you look at it, like, it is worse to
be exposed to that virus.
And like, how do you know that person that had that myocarditis wouldn't have
had it X-fold worse with the COVID-19?
Because it's been shown to happen in young, healthy athletes.
You know, and people are--
Has it been shown in large numbers?
Like, the athletes--
More, more so, more so.
Is it--
More so than the vaccine?
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, I'm saying that it's happening.
Myocarditis is from the vaccines.
It's happening in younger people at a higher rate than from the vaccines.
Do we have accurate data, do you think, about how many myocarditis instances we
have from the vaccine?
Well, you could argue there's an underreporting.
I think people--
So, anyone can submit data to the VAERS.
And I think when it comes to someone who's younger, they're more likely--
I mean, so, healthcare professionals have to submit to the VAERS if there's,
like, something that's life-threatening,
which myocarditis could be, or if it's a death or something that's, like, you
know, changes their daily functions, like, congenital effects--
They have to submit it?
Yes, if they are--
Even if--
But if they--
How do they know that myocarditis is caused by the vaccine?
They don't.
But if the person had gotten vaccinated--
And by the way, there's no time constraint.
Like, it's not like, oh, if they've only been, you know, vaccinated within,
like, two months.
Like, they're supposed to-- they're supposed to submit to VAERS, like, if
someone was vaccinated--
They're supposed to?
Yes.
Is there encouragement or discouragement to submit to VAERS?
I don't know.
I don't know.
But, I mean, you know, if you-- again, even just looking at the deaths in every
age group, even.
Like, you know, people that are in my age group, 40 to 49, you know, there's 20,000
deaths that have been linked to the confirmed COVID-19 cases.
Right.
You know, in VAERS, it's 200.
And even if you triple that--
With comorbidities.
For people with comorbiditie