Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1709 - Amanda Knox
Uploaded: 2021-09-21T00:00:00.000Z
Description: Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1709 - Amanda Knox' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2021-09-21. Transcript available.

Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1709 - Amanda Knox' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2021-09-21. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1709 - Amanda Knox

yeah so we started off this conversation talking about aliens because they're
everywhere they're
everywhere this is travis walton this is the guy who's got one of the more
interesting cases
he was abducted allegedly in arizona when he was working as a logger okay there's
a bunch of
witnesses that saw the craft and he disappeared for several days and then came
back and has this
crazy story okay any anal probing i don't think he had any anal probing they
they supposedly um
worked on him because he he tried to approach the craft allegedly okay so this
is like an et scenario
the craft is on the ground the craft was either on the ground or hovering above
the ground i forget
which and he he and these other loggers saw it and he decided to run towards it
and he ran towards
it and got hit with some kind of energy the guys freaked out the guys that he
was freaked out took
off drove away and as they were driving away they drove like i forget how far
and then like fuck we
got to go back we got to go but this is crazy what happened they go back and he's
gone they can't find
him there's some evidence that the ship was there that there was some sort of a
disturbance on the
ground but travis is gone disappeared for a few days and then came back with
this fantastic story
and define worked on him yeah exactly i don't know you know like maybe i guess
whatever energy was
coming off the craft damaged him physically so they did some sort of biological
repair on him
whatever it was whether it's radiation or some sort of propulsion system that
they had that had some
sort of energy that comes off of it electricity magnetics whatever i don't know
what it was
i don't know if it's real you know it's hard it's hard when people just tell
you stories
he didn't seem like a liar he seemed like a very credible man that had an
extraordinary experience
many decades ago but maybe he's full of shit you know that therein lies the amanda
knox case
right like no one knows the truth when you're dealing with any story where
people are trying
to piece together a story it's it's very complex and people like to pretend
that they can read people
yes that's a problem it's a real problem yes you know yeah i think that when
people treat their um
their ability to read other people like empirical evidence yes that is a very
troubling trend yes
i used to think i was pretty good at spotting bullshitters until i met a guy
who uh wanted becoming a murderer and was completely full of shit like
absolutely 100 full of shit
he was a fake black belt um wait so like he like came and sat across from you
and was like no no
it wasn't that simple okay i was introduced to him through friends that's why i
accepted him
um and he was a guy who pretended to be a black belt in jujitsu had made his
way all the way into
these very close circles of elite fighters and he was even doing uh reporting
work he was working as a
journalist for one of the online uh mixed martial arts websites okay and so i
kind of accepted that this
guy was legit but then he did some training with a friend of mine who is legit
and my friend was
puzzled he's like dude i don't know what is going on but he's fucking terrible
he's like he's not a
black belt i go really you sure he wasn't like going light he's like no no he
didn't know what the
fuck he was doing like he was he was like a white belt it's like it's not even
like a purple belt
he's just faking it till he makes it completely faking it but faking it to the
point where he got
on the mats with someone who's legit and then you know jujitsu is like it's
like a language in that
if someone pretends they speak english oh yeah i speak fluent english and then
they come to talk to
you be like what in the is happening yeah and you're like hey man that guy can't
talk english and he'd be
like wow he told me he could interesting like it's like that so if someone like
yourself who speaks
fluent english was talking to someone who could barely get by it would be very
obvious right that's
how it is with jujitsu sure so my friend comes to me and he goes like something's
wrong man like this
guy is like it's completely fucked up like he's not good at all and so we're
like hmm and this is by
the way a period of time in my life where i smoked more pot than i've ever had
so it was like every day i was
high so we're like wow why would anybody fake that that's so weird like he's
gonna get caught
so then he lied about a bunch of other things got ostracized and then wound up
getting arrested for
murder because he was dating this woman who was married and he wound up killing
the guy and he was
driving the guy's car around and wow so like taking over his life kind of thing
not just taking over his
marriage but taking over i think he was just driving the car around for a day
okay because he didn't
think that people would notice but it was like a very noticeable car like a jaguar
in this town
but the point is that joy riding i used to think that i was good like that i
would meet someone who's
full of about that guy's full of shit but i thought he was just a regular guy
yeah i was used to being
around so many guys like that that were legit i just assumed he was legit too
you know yeah i think that's
um the trouble with law enforcement also is they tend to feel like they go they
even go through trainings
where they're trained to read people right um using the read technique and they
um come away with the
false idea of being able to understand people's cues and of course there's also
the the problem of like
cultural differences and cultural cues that came into play in my own case for
instance but like just
in general across the board there is a tremendous amount of um just the whole
like wrongful conviction
process kickstarts from that from the get-go from a detective or a police
officer getting a vibe and then
following through on that gut feeling regardless of what evidence presents
itself i work with uh
i have a good friend josh dubin and uh him and a guy named jason flom had come
on before
and they work with the innocence project and i uh have started doing some stuff
with josh and he's coming
on again soon and we're going over very specific cases and i've actually sent
him some cases where
people reached out to me and friends that i know there's a lot of that out
there there's
a lot of wrongful convictions there's a lot of like really obvious shit police
work corrupt cops
corrupt prosecutors who just want to get a number on their ledger just to want
to get a score up on
the board it's it's scary it is scary and it's it's scary also because i i tend
to look at it like this
is it's not like there's just some grand conspiracy right like it's not like
there there's an evil cabal of
prosecutors who are getting behind closed doors and evilly clack cackling about
how they're going to
wrongfully convict innocent people i think the more interesting fact is that
they live in this sort of uh echo chamber of like we're the good guys going
after the bad guys and so
we can't do wrong and they get into this cognitive bias space where their
instincts are the right
instincts they have better instincts than anyone else and even if the evidence
doesn't follow through and
confirm their their you know their initial suspicions they know what the truth
is and so even when dna
evidence comes back well maybe she had sex with someone else that night but and
but this guy's the
real rapist and we just didn't happen to get his dna like that's the kind of
like mental gymnastics that
you see people going through and you don't need to be an evil person that's the
interesting thing you
don't need to be a bad person to do those kinds of mental gymnastics because we
all do that all the
time and if anything the way that our criminal justice system works incentivizes
prosecutors
to do those mental gymnastics because they don't get props when they're wrong
they don't they no one
congratulates them for overturning a wrongful conviction that they've done
instead they get
penalized and you know at now like it not to say that they shouldn't be because
accountability is
important and if you are blatantly going out of your way to suppress exonerating
evidence and you know
suppressing the ability to check dna like there's all of that going on but they're
coming from a place
of well we have limited resources in the criminal justice system so i don't
want to waste time
looking at dna from an old case that was like put away a long time ago when i'm
dealing with this
million murders right now so i mean there's like all of these interesting
complicating factors that
aren't just this prosecutor happens to be evil and i think that's the more
interesting problem
because if um you know in the innocence community i one of the reasons why i
really like the innocence
project is it's very practical it's like look we have dna doesn't cost us that
much to like check
dna to prove who it was who actually did this crime let's just do it because if
anything we've proven
that these mistakes do happen human beings make mistakes all the time but they're
also reaching
out across the table to like try to recognize the humanity of the people who
are actually committing
these terrible injustices and trying to like have a conversation where everyone
wins um which is
extremely difficult right because you've got to get a person to they have to
abandon their initial bias
yes and there is like a conservatism bias where you're the first thing that you
thought of is the
thing that you really hold on to and even when new evidence comes in you are
inclined you're biased
towards not totally throwing out your initial impression but you're just skewing
it slightly so that you can
keep holding on to that thing so that you don't have to be so wrong yeah like
the idea that you could
be so wrong when you mean well is devastating and it causes you to go through
all of these mental
gymnastics to re-examine who you are as a person i was watching the netflix
documentary and i watched
it two nights ago was the first time i'd ever seen it i knew about your case um
but i didn't know the specifics
so i watched the documentary and i watched how assured the italian prosecutor
was um when he talked about
how the body was covered and that's something that a woman would do if she
murdered someone she would
kill someone he's acting like uh you know he's he's a just a serious
absolutely defined professional like that's what he is but then i see him
walking through the crime scene i see all those people walking around the crime
scene and i'm like
i'm not a cop okay i'm not a cop but i'm but i've watched enough cop shows i'm
like what the
are they doing yeah like this is crazy even when i'm watching the lady kick
open the door and she kicks
their foot through the window and i'm watching like you're you're shattering
glass everywhere you're
you're contaminating the scene you guys have regular shoes on you don't even
have booties on you don't
have those suits that they wear you're passing around pieces of evidence it's
crazy that you're looking
for dna when you're spreading dna yeah it was wild and then the fact that they
were willing now this is a
spoiler alert if you haven't seen the the netflix spoil it spoil it spoil it
then rudy what was his
last name rudy guday that man that his dna was all over the room that he told a
story
that he went to the bathroom and came out and witnessed a man cutting
well meredith's throat interestingly right yeah yeah meredith was my roommate
and his story is that
he and meredith were hooking up never hooked up before like never they were hooking
up he went to
the bathroom he came out and she was already dead and he watched two people run
away it's the dumbest
story i've ever heard in my life but it's not just bad it's like it's criminally
bad and
the story was also that he had met her and they had hooked up before right yeah
i mean like i'm
trying to remember all because he's changed his story many many times