Name: Derek from MPMD Explains Jon Jones PED "Pulsing"
Uploaded: 2021-12-03T18:36:30.000Z
Description: Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Derek from MPMD Explains Jon Jones PED "Pulsing"' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2021-12-03. Transcript available.

Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Derek from MPMD Explains Jon Jones PED "Pulsing"' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2021-12-03. Transcript available.

- The Joe Rogan Experience.
- Didn't John Jones block you?
- Mm-hmm.
I don't think he likes me.
- What did you do?
- Well, I guess it's just,
I've made a few videos just dissecting his case
and giving my opinion on what I think he did,
and he just doesn't like it, obviously,
'cause it's just bringing up shit that is in his past
that he doesn't want dug up, I guess.
- This is the stuff about the drug testing.
- Yeah, 'cause there was that whole debacle
with the pulsing and the Terenabol metabolite.
- Yeah, what's your take on that?
- Personally, I think that if you go back historically
to the beginning, like obviously the guy is pretty loose
on what he's willing to do in terms of--
- Substances.
- Yeah, so with him, if you go back
to his first positive test results,
I believe he tested positive for Clomiphene and Letrozole
way back in 2016 or something.
So if you look at those two drugs,
one of them is an aromatase inhibitor that you would use
to prevent gyno formation usually,
and then Clomid is like a fertility drug you would use
to restore testosterone production,
or in women use it to aid in fertility.
So using those two drugs back then, to me,
seemed like something you would be doing to either,
you know, prevent the gyno from what you were using
at a time when it was less scrutinous, perhaps.
And then the Clomid, you know, to recover
or something was tainted as what his claim was.
But we already have, you know, history of him doing this
or getting popped for something pretty stupid to get popped for
way back in, you know, 2015, 2016 era, approximately.
After that, he tested positive for Terinibol, and then thereafter the pulsing.
But the thing that's interesting about that is when Nowitzki talks
about this pulsing M3 metabolite, he refers to--well, it's not him, he's just
reiterating the research,
and it's--ultimately, they used this reference point of Clomid pulsing as a
kind of a proxy to exemplify--look, here's a drug that stores itself in fat
tissue and pulses over time.
So they use Clomid as an example of a--because they can't just give a human a
shit ton of Terinibol and, like, try and figure out if this is going to work or
not.
So they give them this fertility drug, or they've looked in the data and found--parsed
out this information about Clomid pulsing.
And they use that as a reference point for, like, look, there's a drug that can
pulse over time.
But the interesting thing is, Jon Jones literally popped for Clomid before, but
he's never had that pulse.
So he has this Terinibol that keeps pulsing, but the Clomid they use as the
reference point of a drug that can pulse, never pulsed for him.
But didn't he say that the Clomid was from tainted food?
Yeah, but he still got it in his system. So it's like, if you ingested Clomid,
why is that not pulsing?
So what causes something to pulse? Explain pulsing to people that don't know
what we're talking about.
Like, the idea would be that metabolites of these hormones--like, first of all,
with Terinibol, after Icarus came out and, like, shortly around that,
Rod Chankov is the one who came up with the M3 metabolite test and, like,
extended the detection window of Terinibol.
And that's actually, when I mentioned the Summer Olympics and how many people
retroactively got their medals stripped or they got popped for the Summer
Olympics for, like, 12 years in totality.
A lot of those positive test results were for Terinibol after they used Rod Chankov's
data to, like, retroactively test the urine samples and see.
They thought, at the time, it was undetectable because they got it out of their
system based on the current detection windows.
But then when Rod Chankov came out with his--he came out with his data, and
when they went back and tested it using his assay, you could figure out, oh,
past that date, they actually detected for that, you know, the longer-term
metabolites.
So the idea behind the pulsing is these metabolites that linger, they can store
themselves in, like, fat tissue, essentially, and they can, like, liberate
themselves over time sporadically.
Has that been proven or is that theoretical?
Yeah, and it was proven in Clomid data, which is interesting because Jon Jones
literally is bought for Clomid.
But didn't pulse for that.
Yeah.
But it hasn't been proven before with this stuff?
No, with Terinibol, never.
So what's your take on that?
Like, I think, personally, like, the amount of Terinibol he had was so small.
A lot of times, like, for certain compounds, like Terinibol, the only way you're
going to get it is, like, underground.
Like, you're going to get it--it's not a pharmaceutical product that's designed
for, like, a clinical application.
So you're going to get it designed by an underground lab who sells steroids to,
you know, random bodybuilders or a chemist in, you know, China or something.
And you're kind of just banking on the fact that it's not going to be tainted.
They're going to use, like, clean equipment.
It's going to be whatever drug you're hoping to get.
And there are a lot of different scenarios that might, you know, explain it.
And there's different theories, like, I could have that could hypothetically--either
one could be true, potentially.
But I think one of the options is a drug he thought he was getting that was
potentially undetectable was tainted with Terinibol.
Or he thought he could get around the detection window by taking it, unaware of
Rodchenkov's long-term data that came out.
Or there's, like, a variety of different things that could be happening, but
ultimately for him, he got it in his system.
And on paper, when you look at his testosterone levels and his ratios of
testosterone to epitestosterone, like, when he fought DC, they were so out of
whack that it would not be explainable, in my opinion, by anything other than
some sort of suppression of your system via the usage of something.
So to me--
Not hard training?
Because hard training does suppress it, right?
Yeah, but to the degree where he's literally, like, a female, probably not.
Really?
It was that bad?
Yeah.
So normally, the levels would be over 10 times what he had, in general.
I'd have to pull it up to remember exactly, but he was, like, in the single
digits for urinary testosterone, which otherwise should be, like, it was, like,
60 plus or something.
He was, like, four or something.
And it was multiple data points of his testosterone being single digits to a
point that would indicate significant suppression, in my opinion.
What could be another possible explanation for it, other than significant
suppression?
Of the super low test levels?
Yeah.
I don't know, castration?
Really?
Is that bad?
Yeah, it was pretty fucking bad, dude.
It was, like, the equivalent of you only have your adrenal glands producing
testosterone, basically.
Like, your balls are essentially nonfunctional.
But explain this, then.
If that's the case, then how would he perform well?
Because if he's going into a fight with his testosterone that low.
Because if you have a drug that's suppressing your system, the drug you're
taking, presumably, is what is driving your performance vectors that you deem
useful enough to use in competition.
Oh.
So, hypothetically, if I was using Terenabol, like, all those athletes in
Russia or whatever using Terenabol, you're going to have some suppression of
your testosterone levels, which, you know, on paper could inhibit performance,
but you're using the drug to drive performance.
So, even though your endogenous levels are lower, you're relying on this
compound you're using that you deem useful enough to dope with, potentially.
So, here's my question.
If they're using a test that's sophisticated enough to detect that he has these
very low testosterone levels and he has this pulsing of Terenabol, like, where
is the room for this compound that's going to significantly increase his
performance?
Yeah, so, let's just say, hypothetically, Terenabol or any random oral steroid
is not, like, presumably, this isn't 100% factual, this is just speculating
based on the levels and whatnot, but if he has a certain, even if he has
crushed tests, the room, if they're not looking for a certain drug that's not
on their list, and you're using it, full board, whatever dose you want, because
they can't detect it because they don't even know it exists, then that's going
to be significantly performance enhancing.
Okay, so, then we're talking about something like the Balco Clear, that kind of
a deal?
Potentially.
So, see, the thing is, like, when they catch someone with something like what
Victor Conte had come clean with that they use for Barry Bonds and all these
different athletes, undetectable, you rub it on your skin, and no one knew what
it was.
Mm-hmm.
We think, oh, well, they caught that guy, they're more sophisticated now, you
can't get away with that now.
Do you think it's possible there could be some new designer steroids or some
new compound that's not on the list of things to be tested for because we don't
even know it exists, but yet it is significantly enhancing performance?
Yeah.
Like the Clear.
Like the Clear.
If you don't have an assay developed for it, detecting it is essentially, you
can't prove anything exists in the body if you don't have an assay to detect it.
So, even though you have this elaborate list of steroids that are known about,
if you have a novel drug and you don't know how to detect it, even if you have
other markers that look fucked up, like it's testosterone levels in the gutter,
there's no threshold amount where you pop because your test is in the gutter.
They look for high test, they don't look for low.
So, if you're really low randomly, they might be like, huh, that's weird and
keep an eye on it and maybe test you further for other stuff, but it doesn't
mean you couldn't be using something gung-ho the entire time.
So, I do think designer drugs exist.
I don't necessarily know that they're being leveraged highly in the designer
steroid family because you could hypothetically probably be able to determine
this compound derived from testosterone was manipulated and, you know, see
something iffy and, you know, dig into it and get a perhaps find out pretty
clear pretty soon what it is and retroactively, you know, penalize that guy.
But I do think there are novel agents being developed from the growth hormone
side of things, EPO side of things, the testosterone, obviously there's the
carbon isotope ratio proof cholesterol derived testosterone, which you could
also potentially argue the guy was using basic like TRT and came off and like
crashed his system, you know, at the time of the test or something.
Like there's a million different reasons, but ultimately seeing that level in
his urine testing for a random compound, having in the past tested positive for
a fertility drug and an aromatase inhibitor you would only use in the context
of like drug use, essentially, intentionally, in most cases, it's just like
highly improbable.
I don't think that he's at least tried to do some shit to get around the system.