Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1780 - Maajid Nawaz
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1780 - Maajid Nawaz' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2022-02-19. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1780 - Maajid Nawaz

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day
the jfk story is like that has been oliver stone's thing i mean he's been
following that story he's
been chasing it down we talked about on the podcast that his film jfk was
essentially 30
years after the assassination and then this documentary that he just released
is 30 years
after his film so he's been chasing this i should catch the documentary it's
very good it's on show
time um i mean generally we're live right we're recording yeah so generally the
assassination of
presidents it's something which uh you know i've been in prison with people
that assassinated sadat
and it's oh really these sorts of this intrigue at the top and the plots um i
actually befriended
them um i've got a copy of the of a quran at home signed by one of them as a
gift to me
from from prison but uh the kind of intrigue when you get to that level of
intrigue at the top nothing
is ever what it seems man i can only imagine you know it's got to be a
stressful way to live
imagine being a world leader yeah of course and all the the you're dealing with
and potential
assassination and coup plots and and and part of how you operate has to be one
thing one face you present
to the public and another thing is what you're really actually doing because
you've got all these
other people uh especially today with the nature of information wars attempting
to subvert what you're
trying to do uh based on your overt actions and so you have to truly hide what
you're really actually
up to you know it's difficult to navigate that terrain well not only that but
when you operate
like that if you're constantly operating in this sort of deception vein like it's
got to be hard
to know what's true and what's not true because you're kind of you're full of
shit when you're full
of shit i think it becomes more difficult to recognize what's true and what's
not true and you don't
get to that position unless you're full of shit in the first place you have to
compromise like they
don't let you in like when you find out politicians that earn like two hundred
thousand dollars a year
and you find out they're worth two hundred million dollars how did that happen
and you're like what
is going on well i'll tell you what's going on just look to pelosi right yes
well that was what i was
talking about making a lot of money it's wild but it's not from her salary well
my favorite thing was
when she was confronted and uh they asked her a question about trading about
whether or not you know people
that are in congress and what have you should be able to trade and she takes a
sip of water
because she knows this is going to be a big one yeah yeah well listen there was
a there was a on
twitter um uh and we can probably return to the question of tech and and speech
and censorship but
there was this account called pelosi tracker i don't know if you ever saw it no
it's been taken
down it was tracking all her trades i was following the damn thing i was really
interested to learn from
it you know it's good to invest they took she's investing well because that's
what they say right you
watch you watch her moves and you know you're going to make money why would
they take it down it got
taken down there was two two accounts one was called epstein tracker uh and it
was following the gillain
trial uh was it gillain tracker epstein track the other was pelosi tracker both
got taken down why yeah
who knows man that's why does twitter do anything man it's so confusing now i
mean twitter used to be
like you would you remember the old days when you would just say like at majid
i'm having a pizza with
friends like you know like you would do those things like that's what people
would do like off to the
movies with my buddies it's a weapon now yeah it's it's a weapon in a hybrid
war that we're in
unfortunately we're in a hybrid war and uh one of the main fronts in that war
is uh is information
yeah over the definition of reality and uh in that context if you know whoever
defines reality gets to
win and twitter is as a result in that context it's a weapon that is being used
to define reality by
molding people's minds that's fascinating to put it that way and what's
interesting is the people
that are being molded are fiercely defending the rights of those people to mold
them yeah that's the
best way to do it right well the the people who are being molded yeah the
people that are a part of
the hive mind do it i mean look if i wanted to enslave you i don't think i'd
have much of much of a
chance physically right i mean i i don't know about you but i've only been
training for about
a couple of years yeah so the way to do it would be for me to convince you yes
use a jedi mind trick
yes these are not the drones you're looking for so you voluntarily follow me
that's the way to do it
and if you're a minority in power you're always going to be a minority if you're
in power i want
it but when we get this conversation started what i want to do for people that
don't know you i want
to go into your past and you know and your book and who you were in a you know
in the previous life
and who you are now and why you're recognizing this and you're so fiercely
resisting this more than a lot of people are because a lot of people are scared
of blowback
like they see what's going on with governments and with lockdowns and all these
things and they're
they're scared of the blowback and so they're kind of keeping their mouth shut
but you're not doing
that at all and i think a lot of that has to do with your past i've seen worse
yeah so will you
just give us a like a rundown of what happened with you so i um for your
listeners i was born in
essex uk and um had a very normal integrated childhood until i kind of hit my
teenage years
um and from my teenagers we were the first generation by the way of um muslims
born and raised in the west
my parents were immigrants and why that why that's relevant is we uh my age
group now i'm 44 we had to
navigate a place for muslims in the west prior to that point of course um that
hadn't been done and
there's a long history with uh sort of this whole huntington model of a clash
of civilizations which
is a bit caricature but there's a long history sort of between islam and the
west and and relations and
and mixing some of it's good a lot of it involved war with the crusade so we
are now born and raised in
the west as british citizens now to put that into context in europe if you look
with the us and you have
minority communities a lot of the um room for improvement exists in say african-american
communities right in europe the equivalent is with muslim communities wherever
you go whether it's in
britain with pakistanis and bangladesh whether it's in france with the north africans
in morocco uh in
the netherlands with north africans moroccans in germany with turks uh across
europe generally albanians
who also majority happen to be muslim but more cultural not really that
religious but across
europe the the largest minorities are muslims and so that same question about
uh integration uh
cooperation um equal opportunities social uh mobility whereas in the us it
applies specifically i don't know
say for example with african-americans and mexican-americans or latino-americans
in the in
in europe generally and in the uk it's a muslim question so when i began sort
of hit my teenage
years we experienced a lot of tension around that and uh there was a lot of
racist violence that i
experienced growing up with some sort of neonazi racist violence and when i say
violence i'm talking
severe severe like machete and hammer attacks screwdriver attacks i've had to
watch friends of mine get
stabbed before the age of 16 many of my friends stabbed we had running street
fights with these guys
knives machetes everything i mean this is like uh it was really bad um one
particular occasion this guy
tried to help me i was surrounded by a group of them and uh they all had their
big kebab knives um i
thought i was going to die man and then this guy was just walking past random
guy walking past he saw
that i was surrounded by these guys and he tried to step in to defend me and
what they did is they i was
15 years old they held me back and they basically started stabbing this guy all
over his body
forced me to watch it and they called him a packy lover oh and the idea was
that he's a traitor to
his skin for trying to defend me um so of course i became very angry yeah uh
but by the way i met that
guy uh about two years ago he lived he had a punctured lung turns out he was
with the army he's a hero for
me man he's a hero and uh i put out a public appeal to see if i could get uh
reunited with him he wants to
stay anonymous but i met him and he's still alive and he still still lives in
the in my hometown he's
still you know the area in my home county but that made me very angry at the
same time if you want to
think back the time frame we're talking about the early 90s uh the genocide in
bosnia was happening
and the bosnians are also muslim and so we we felt that uh that could come to
britain we felt very isolated
we felt very uh very vulnerable and so we were looking in that context for some
form of belonging
feeling rejected from those from society around us uh the guys that the guys
that attacked us by the
way they would boast about having connections and links with the police and uh
turns out to be the
case that there was a problem in those days with the police there's a famous
case of the murder of
stephen lawrence in the uk who was uh stabbed to death in a similar way while
waiting at a bus stop
and his killers were never brought to justice for over 20 years and um there
was a government inquiry
commissioned into that it's called the mcpherson inquiry and it eventually
became famous for coining
that phrase institutional racism and it was talking about how police were not
looking into these sorts
of crimes so nobody was ever brought to justice for what happened to us and
everything i described was
a year before stephen lawrence was murdered but that became the pivotal case in
the uk it became like a
george floyd it was huge except he wasn't that you know i know george floyd had
some background this
guy had he was clean he's just a young kid no background he's just at a bus
stop so in that context we
became very angry and began looking for belonging and identity outside of the
mainstream that we felt rejected
us and so at the age of 16 why that's all relevant is um i ended up joining a a
revolution
a revolutionary islamist organization uh i didn't trust society i didn't trust
authority i didn't
trust the west generally uh looking at the genocide in bosnia with the u.n
troops one of the uh the most
searing memories for me was at srebrenica where the u.n the dutch u.n uh
soldiers were standing by
as as the bosnian muslims were killed and put in that mass grave and they didn't
have the mandate to
intervene so we really didn't trust institutions to defend us whether it was
foreign policy or even
domestic at home so at the age of 16 i joined this group called hezbo tahrir
which means the party of
liberation and uh it's in a nutshell the before al-qaeda and definitely before
isis this was an
organization that wanted a caliphate globally around the world but instead of
using terrorism in the
conventional means we understand it today blowing things up our purpose our
method was to recruit army
officers in muslim majority countries and instigate military coups to try and
come to power i joined
this group at 16 and i spent um about a decade uh well yeah more just over a
decade in this
organization i rose to the leadership in the uk i set the group i exported it
from the uk and set
it up in uh pakistan i was part of the first move in the wave that went from
britain to pakistan to
found the group there in that in that vein i ended up recruiting some army
officers there in pakistan
as well can i ask you how that happens how do y