Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1784 - Diana Rodgers & Robb Wolf
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Joe Rogan Experience #1784 - Diana Rodgers & Robb Wolf

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The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
Hello, folks.
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Thanks for coming.
I'm glad we didn't make it snow again in Texas.
You almost did.
It was close.
I mean, it can snow.
It might snow today.
It's very possible, because it was drizzling when I left the house and it was
30 degrees,
which is not supposed to happen.
It's supposed to be snow.
Hopefully, it won't be the snowpocalypse part two.
Yeah.
Last time you were supposed to come, it became a complete disaster, but it was
fun.
It was fun to watch people slide around and know that this city has zero
infrastructure
in terms of, like, dealing with snow.
It's kind of—because I grew up in Massachusetts, where it's, you know, they
know how to handle
snow.
Out here, they're baffled.
Do you want to—she got—tell them what happened with you.
Well, well, so my flight from—I'm from Boston.
And my flight from Houston to Austin was canceled, so I got the last SUV.
You don't know how much I wanted to be on your show.
I got the last SUV, drove through the ice storm to Austin, where there was,
like, just dead
cars.
You know, it was like zombie apocalypse.
Got to a Marriott around the corner from here and thought, well, at least I'll
be able to walk,
if nothing else, and my room overlooked this on-ramp.
And I just, every day for a week, with no running water and no bottled water,
watched the cars
just slide up and down.
And then I finally went out to Rob's house, where he at least had a pool for
running toilets.
Flushing the toilets.
But I was living on basically, like, White Claw and canned tuna.
Oh, my God.
This was when you were supposed to be here?
Yeah.
Last year.
Oh, my God.
I still have a can of wolf chili that she bought here.
But she didn't have a can opener, and she was just like, I don't know how to
get into this
thing.
The thing is, if you grew up in a place that has winter, like Massachusetts,
you're like,
this is nothing.
Like, guys, this is a normal winter day.
Like, what the fuck?
And it killed this place for a solid week.
Well, that's why I still came, because I was like, they're overreacting.
It's just one or two inches of snow.
But I didn't realize it was going to be, like, misting ice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, I mean, come on.
How much are trucks?
Like, take care of this, guys.
Get some sand.
Like, is that that hard?
I mean, it happens.
It does happen.
I mean, the idea that you just, like, shut everything down for a year.
How much does that cost?
Seems like trucks are less expensive than whatever that costs.
Yeah, yeah, and all the poor people that didn't know you can't heat your house
with a stove.
Well, worse.
People use grills.
Yeah.
Yeah, they used, like, barbecue grills in their house, and they burnt wood, and
they died.
You know, like, people got sick.
Yeah, that was bad news.
And we were in the process of packing our house to move, because we moved March
3rd up to Kalispell.
So, like, all of this chaos is going on, and we didn't know if, like, the
moving truck was getting in.
And then Diana made it to our place, and then we weren't sure if she was making
it out of there.
Like, it was, I mean, first world problems, but kind of sketchy first world
problems as far as they go.
It lets you know that there's a thin veneer of civilization that keeps all the
food on the shelves and all the cars moving.
And it's not much, not much to throw it off.
Right, right.
You know?
Yeah, definitely.
I'm glad this is a good time to talk about your book.
The book is Sacred Cow, Diana Rogers, and Rob Wolf.
It's available right now, The Case for Better Meat.
All I've been eating since January is meat.
All I've been eating is meat and fruit.
That's my diet, meat, fruit, and eggs.
I've never felt better.
I've done this before in the past, but I never stuck with it.
I would do, like, that carnivore month of January.
I did it, like, two years ago.
I lost 12 pounds.
I looked great.
I felt great.
Then I started eating spaghetti again.
Shocker.
I get fat.
I get fat, and then my joints hurt again.
And that's the thing that drives me, that it's the most wild, rather, is my
joints feel so good.
Like, everything feels better when I'm not eating foods that cause inflammation.
And for me, there's something, I mean, I'm not advocating this for everybody,
but a meat-based diet, for me, is 100%, at least in a short term.
I've never done it for, like, years.
I know, like, Sean Baker and a few of those guys have done it for years and
years, Paul Saladino.
But for me, short term, there's nothing that's made me feel better.
And I can't imagine it would fuck me up long term.
I mean, I take a lot of vitamins, I do eat a lot of fruit, my exercise is great,
I feel healthy, I have plenty of energy.
I avoided all the diarrhea, because when I just did only meat, I had ridiculous
diarrhea.
Like, astounding, as my friend Tom Segura put it.
When he tried it, he goes, this diarrhea is astounding.
I'm like, yes, that's a good way to put it.
I was following that, and I was like, at some point, there may need to be an
intervention, like, somebody, like, dropping you some imodium or something.
Yeah, that sounded rough.
Well, there's something about, like, eating a lot of fatty meat only.
Right.
Your body's like, what is all this?
Like, where's the veggies?
Like, you always eat veggies.
Right.
How come there's no spaghetti here?
Where's the bread?
Yeah, so, as a dietitian, to be talking about things like this is definitely
blasphemy.
Blasphemy?
Yeah.
Yeah?
I mean, I get pushed back like crazy from fellow dietitians.
It's, you know.
But what do they say?
Well, what's the goal, right?
Isn't the goal to feel better, to look better, and to perform better?
So, if you're eating food that makes you feel better, look better, and perform
better, I mean, I was at 205 when I started this diet.
Now I weigh 195, and it's only been two months, and I feel great.
Like, I'm not starving.
I just lost weight.
It just went, just went away.
I got my six-pack back.
Like, I feel better.
My joints feel better.
Like, I just feel better.
Like, isn't that the goal?
Like, the whole goal of your diet is supposed to be the vitality of your body,
right?
Right, and the whole goal of science should be to question your bias and seek
the truth.
Well, I know Sean Baker was telling me that there's a large study that's going
on that Harvard's putting on for the carnivore diet.
Do you know about that?
They have some preliminary data on it.
And, I mean, it's not a randomized control trial.
There's not a control group.
It's a survey.
And so, you know, it can be very critical of surveys.
But it's interesting.
Like, 94% of the people that did it got off of the medications that they were
on, like, entirely.
And it went through and detailed, like, some blood sugar changes.
Blood sugars improved dramatically for the vast majority of people.
They saw lipids improve.
Not everybody.
Some people on kind of a higher-fat, carnivore-type diet, they see their lipids
go up.
We're still not sure what the total, you know, net risk is with that.
But it's pretty impressive.
And, again, you know, people will poke holes in that.
But there was a time in the 1940s, 1950s when there wasn't this thing called
the Mediterranean diet.
And then this guy wrote a review paper about it.
And nothing really happened for, I don't know, 8, 10 years.
But then more people started writing about it.
More people started talking about it.
Now we have randomized control trials.
And we have all kinds of different interventions.
And we have some proof that something like a Mediterranean-type diet is
probably pretty helpful for a lot of people.
So when people criticize this stuff and they just dismiss it out of hand, they're
like, well, there's no research on it.
Okay, that's fine.
But this is where things begin.
And it's usually observational, you know, that, okay, there's this group of
people that seem to be getting these really remarkable results.
And the thing that was so interesting to me, my background was in autoimmunity
and cancer research.
And I got into this because of gut and autoimmune issues.
I'm the person that came up with the autoimmune paleo diet.
Like, I'm the person that kind of, you know, formalized that initially.
And it works pretty well.
But when I saw what people were doing on a carnivore diet, it just blew me away.
Like, people who had done every other thing and they were so sick, they were
crippled from gut and autoimmune issues.
They would go on this modified, you know, carnivore-type diet and put their
problems into remission and then have really remarkable health at the end of
that.
And it was a few people initially.
But as it has grown, it's become this, like, really watershed moment.
And I don't think that a carnivore diet is, like, the first whistle stop
somebody should do in dietary change.
There's a lot of other shit you could do before that.
But if you're really sick, you know, I think to both of y'all's points, if you're
really sick and you're trying to improve things, like, it seems like a
reasonable thing to use as an intervention.
It's like playing darts and you're just trying to get closer to the bullseye
and you can use that as a beginning point.
Some people add in fruit, like Paul Saladino has added in more fruit and honey
and stuff like that.
Sean Baker is an absolute beast and he wouldn't be caught dead eating fruit,
you know, and it just seems to work for him.
But I think that it's a reasonable place to at least start and begin tinkering
with things.
And maybe you stick with it long term or maybe you modify it down the road.
It's got to be a function of different requirements for different people's
bodies, right?
Different people ask more of their body, like a guy like you who does a lot of
jujitsu that's very physical.
Some people don't.
Some people, they just hike and maybe they could have a different diet.
There's a lot of different things that a person needs depending upon their
lifestyle.
But when you talk about, like, a Mediterranean diet, specifically, what is a
Mediterranean diet?
Like, what's in there?
That's the kind of funny thing.
I mean, you've got what the literature kind of says and then you have what
people actually eat.
And what folks actually eat is a lot of fatty fish, a lot of, like, lamb and
goat.
And they definitely eat some legumes.
They eat local fruits and vegetables, a lot of olive oil.
But it looks very – it's not this so, like, grain-centric, you know, thing
that is typically portrayed in modern dietetics.
So, but is there, like, a – is there a protocol for the Mediterranean diet?
Like, if someone says, I'm going on the Mediterranean diet, what do they mean?
Are they eating lettuce?
Do they have vegetables?
Well, usually, Mediterranean diet means emphasis on seafood, lean meat, low-fat
dairy to some degree.
Legumes.
Legumes.
As kind of a preponderance for the carbs, like, usually in preference to grains,
although they'll have some grains in the mix, too.
But that's kind of the funny thing.
Vegetables?
Good amount of vegetables, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Olives, olive oil.
So, it's essentially like a primal diet.
Yeah.
Like, the idea is just to cut out processed foods.
Yeah.
Which is always a good step one, right?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
But then when you look at what people in the Mediterranean actually eat, it's
not – it's a made-up diet.
Oh, interesting.
It's not really a diet.
It's – I mean, I've been to Spain.
They eat a lot of pork.
And pork is, like, not okay on a Mediterranean diet.
It's not?
Why is it not okay?
Isn't it a fatty meat?
Well, fatty fish is okay, but not fatty meat.
So, you have the – what people are actually doing versus kind of what's been
canonized within dietetics.
And they're really different.
And also, to Diana's point, like, what folks are doing in Spain is reasonably
different than what they're doing in Greece and Italy and whatnot.
You know, just kind of a granu