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the Joe Rogan experience the other thing they did the only thing that I saw in
pharma personally that was shady is they would they would do these courses on
never off-label promote don't talk about this don't talk about that and you
would
sign all these documents saying I'm not gonna talk about this yeah definitely
and then a week later have us come listen to a thought leader in the field
off-label promoting all the shit they told us not to talk about explain off
label promote so let me think of an example example would be Zyprexa and
they got exposed for this on Zyprexa Zyprexa was indicated essentially for let
me I'll do a better one if you look at Oxycontin how did Oxycontin take over
the
marketplace it's because what they did is they got the reps to go out and began
to
recommend oxy so originally oxy was meant for people who were like terminally
ill
with cancer and we're in severe pain or somebody who's on the upper echelon of
the pain threshold and the goal of a company and a rep is to grow the market
and to hit the number and so when you go out it's like how do you grow the
market
well we're gonna grow the patient demographic we're gonna have to grow we're
getting we need the doctors to write more of this so what they did with Oxycontin
was they went out and sit started it got to a point where they were literally
promoting it for people with migraines and they were put pumping these pain
pills into all these practices was this before after it had been proven that it
was highly addictive they knew it was highly addictive based off the study so I
know you and I've talked about dope sick but let me all the the story on this
family is absolutely insane so the family that owns uh Oxycontin is one of the
richest families in the country they're up there with the Rockefellers and the
Vanderbilts they made all of their wealth in the 1960s by creating the Valium
pandemic they launched Valium into the marketplace told people that it was
non-addictive non-abusive grew the market they were writing Valiums for
headaches Valiums for knee shoulder elbow pain and it created they went under
governmental investigation the government ended up investigating the
family in the 60s and then jump forward they they get off they buy their way
out
of that jump forward and this is another thing we'll talk there's so many data
points uh their patent on hydrocodone was expiring so big pharma does this a
lot
and I'll get into this like they they say we innovate but it costs 10 times we
make
tenfold on one drug because we innovate and so many go by the wayside they don't
innovate they re-engineer and reapply and like Zyprexa got combined with
symbiacs to two drugs that were already on the market to extend the patent
right so
the goal is to play this shell game where you you when your patents close to
expiring you have to reapply and extend the patent via a new indication or some
sort of new combination of a couple of different products and so hydrocodone
was expiring the hydrocodone oxy like long delivery system was it or the cotton
system was expiring so what they did is they looked at their revenues and they're
like we're fucked like we we can't we won't hit our numbers we can't continue
these growth trajectories unless we get a new patent on a new pain med so they
went
out and they said what else is out there that we could put into our patented
delivery system and the answer was oxy and the problem with that is it's ten
times
more addictive than hydrocodone so then you go okay well they're gonna have to
do
safety studies and prove it in humans and show that it's not addictive non-abusive
nope human study never happened they were able to piggyback on their hydrocodone
cotton delivery system take the delivery mechanism and all it is is basically
they
grind up the powder and they create layers so in theory if you take the pill
you
won't get a hundred milligrams of oxy at once it'll over eight hours dissolve
into
your body and you'll get that absorption that was the premise and so they said
because of our patented delivery system this drug is non-abusive non-addictive
we
have a great safety profile the other thing that happened is they went to the
FDA and
this is where there's a lot of fuckery they they literally met with the head of
the FDA at the time after hours at a hotel this is all documented now and he
helped them draft their application then rubber-stamped it and pushed it
through
and gave OxyContin the golden fucking ticket he put in the label that OxyContin
is
less likely to be addictive or abusive compared to other opioids in the
market and then you give a rep that and you set them out in a marketplace and
you
give them a $20,000 a month expense account and you have them taking guys to
dinner drinking wine and eating steaks and they show in the label hey we're
less
addictive this is a safe drug we've got to stop pain you know let's let's
really
look this isn't just anymore for the cancer patient this is anybody in your
practice who has pain we're on a mission to stop pain and all of them started
getting addicted I mean it was rampant and the system was trash because once
you grind up the
pill you've just circumvented the delivery mechanism and now it's super
addictive because they're gonna get high doses of an opioid and that's what a
lot
of people were doing that were abusing it right they were grinding it up and
snorting it up and then they it reminded me a lot with kovat because what
happened is patients were doctors were blowing the company at Purdue Pharma is
the name of the company and the families the Sacklers so the Sackler family
this is
all documented now and also Jamie anything I bring up I've put on the ways to
well
website slash JRE because we're gonna go over a lot of stuff so any data point
or
study or any of that I bring up is available on the website what they did was
the Sackler family ended up taking a agreement with the US government and part
of that deal was they would pay I think three billion dollars and then there
was
no they could not prosecute them or come after them criminally and it was done
so
there was a three billion dollars go well they made I think nine or twelve
billion nine to twelve billion I can't remember the number but the three that I
don't know if it goes to the family or the government I don't know I'm not sure
where at all if it went to the families of people and this hits close to home
for
me because my brother died of opioids my brother died at 27 man and it's I
watched
that documentary and it makes me want to fucking vomit I'm just like and it's
not
just the Sacklers it's you know Johnson and Johnson they're known for their
diapers and their no teary eyes baby soap Johnson and Johnson made more than
anybody during the opioid pandemic they were literally growing they were doing
what
people doing the marijuana trade they were turning basically juicing up and
synthetically altering opioid plants to grow faster and more potent so they
could
turn them over quicker and so they supplied all the opium into the United
States and
made billions of dollars billions of dollars in the FDA at this point in time
the
DEA was getting involved going to the FDA going to all these governmental
bodies and
saying look this shit's getting crazy like this is getting out of control the
addiction rates
are through the roof what Purdue did at that time was pivot and go out and
educate doctors
on breakthrough pain these patients aren't addicted
they're just still in pain and the way to fix it is to write them more opioids
so they
launched a 200 milligram pill and gave people more opioids oh my god there's a
tragic uh
that the one that is dope sick is is like a docu series but it's not a
documentary it's like we're a fictional reality yeah um there is a
documentary documentary and it's tragic it's this mormon family and he talks
about this is the level of bravado that physicians
oftentimes have his wife they grew up mormon and they had been married they had
multiple
kids and the story is his wife got in a car wreck injured her neck and was
doing okay
she was seeing a primary care doctor and a neighbor said you need to go to the
pain clinic and go
meet doctor so-and-so long story short he puts her on oxy he puts her on a
bunch of other meds
uh she ends up passing out all over the house the husband's like taking
pictures of her to document
for the doctor and she ends up in the ER at one point after she gets out they
put her in rehab they get
her clean again and that doctor's practice reaches back out and asks to meet
with the family and the
wife this is like a true story in this docu series and when when the doctor
meets with them and i've
seen stuff like this happen the doctor said i and i alone will make the medical
decisions on my patient
not you so are we on the same page here and this this guy said i looked him in
the eye and i said yes
sir anyways the guy's wife od'd and died like literally a month later and so
they're suing the
doctor they're suing his practice so the doctor got her back on pills doctor
got her back on pills
and what was his justification what's this is where it gets so tough because
when you're in it
like when i was in it like erectile dysfunction and in viagra like i said cialis
that's fun right
but some of the drugs you're you are really passionate about like and so i i
think he i do believe that
there's good and bad in every person right and sometimes people's egos get in
the way and he's
probably been to course after course i mean the narrative they spin in this is
he made hundreds of
thousands of dollars in consulting fees from purdue pharma and was paid as a
consultant and over a
time span made i think like three or four hundred thousand dollars off purdue
pharma and so of course
he's going to push purdue pharma's product right um is is the narrative but
what i saw a lot was
you begin to drink the kool-aid and bleed the belief if that makes sense um
like this is we're changing
the world we're going to launch these pain meds and they're going to help being
financially incentivized
for it so you have a reason to think you have a reason to be skewed and then
you're opening the door
to let yourself be educated in a biased manner does that make sense you're only
listening to half the
narrative and that's a problem uh and a lot of times physicians are listening
to the big pharma company
rather than their patients god damn so i mean i experienced that like we had a
drug um stratera
um and it wasn't like a dangerous drug it was a really safe drug meant to treat
children with adhd
and i was passionate about it like i believed in it because i i failed
kindergarten i literally went
to pre first there were kids in my class with helmets because i was adhd and
dyslexic and at the
time the only thing on the market was ritalin and they said we want your son on
ritalin or we're
recommending that he goes to like special education basically uh so i had to go
to a brief first and
and then i jumped forward i'm 23 and had graduated college and i'm making great
money
and i see this drug that is non-abusive non-addictive that we could be using to
treat adhd and kids and
have them not go through all the headaches that i went through as like an adhd
kid i was like this is
amazing instead of adderall and all these stuff um and so you bleed it like you
get really passionate
about it when you buy in and nothing bad ever happened with that drug it wasn't
as efficacious
as the company presented it to be it didn't seem to work as effectively um isn't
that always the case
though i mean is there ever a drug other than cialis which really does what it
advertises yeah but is
there are there i mean that's kind of always the case that they exaggerate the
benefits well the biggest
challenge is not only the exaggeration potentially of the benefits it's the if
they begin to re-engineer
or apply it to a different disease state um i'm trying to think of an example
that would be a good
one to give you they can they can take a drug and the patent's about to expire
all right so let's say
they have a year left on the patent at that point the company will begin to say
how do we extend the
patent so we can continue to get insurance coverage and get paid and hit our
numbers for wall street
we've got to get another indication so when they resubmit for a new indication
based off just
efficacy they do not have to go back and do safety studies and so they don't do
human trials and so
what they're doing is they're they're piggybacking it but the dosages may
change the disease states
change the patient populations changed yeah it may have been safe you know as a
osteoporosis drug and
60 year old women but is it safe now that you're using it in a 20 year old girl
you know like that's
the type stuff that happens all the time um and the guy who approved purdue pharma
this is the craziest
part the one who helped them draft their agreement and all that guess where he
went to work 18 months
later purdue pharma making 300 grand a year which is always the case whether it's
in the financial
sector or in medical yeah right that's what they do they always wind up working
for some enormous
corporation after they set the regulations that would benefit that corporation
they get a cushion
job yeah i think it was um 12 out of the last 15 heads of the fda have taken
jobs with in private
industry for a big medical or big pharma god and so i i will say being behind
the scenes
it's the same i've heard you say this about police officers 90 of people i
think are trying to do
good they're good people but there are outliers in every capacity of life
period just because somebody
works for the government doesn't mean they're good and just because somebody's
a doctor doesn't mean
they're good and just because somebody's a rep doesn't mean they're bad i didn't
see very many
bad reps like there weren't i didn't see unethical when i say bad i mean like i
didn't see a lot of
unethical reps they existed like i'm not saying they didn't but not
disproportionately any more than
i saw in the rest of society

Former Pharmaceutical Rep Details How Oxycontin Took Over

the Joe Rogan experience the other thing they did the only thing that I saw in
pharma personally that was shady is they would they would do these courses on
never off-label promote don't talk about this don't talk about that and you
would
sign all these documents saying I'm not gonna talk about this yeah definitely
and then a week later have us come listen to a thought leader in the field
off-label promoting all the shit they told us not to talk about explain off
label promote so let me think of an example example would be Zyprexa and
they got exposed for this on Zyprexa Zyprexa was indicated essentially for let
me I'll do a better one if you look at Oxycontin how did Oxycontin take over
the
marketplace it's because what they did is they got the reps to go out and began
to
recommend oxy so originally oxy was meant for people who were like terminally
ill
with cancer and we're in severe pain or somebody who's on the upper echelon of
the pain threshold and the goal of a company and a rep is to grow the market
and to hit the number and so when you go out it's like how do you grow the
market
well we're gonna grow the patient demographic we're gonna have to grow we're
getting we need the doctors to write more of this so what they did with Oxycontin
was they went out and sit started it got to a point where they were literally
promoting it for people with migraines and they were put pumping these pain
pills into all these practices was this before after it had been proven that it
was highly addictive they knew it was highly addictive based off the study so I
know you and I've talked about dope sick but let me all the the story on this
family is absolutely insane so the family that owns uh Oxycontin is one of the
richest families in the country they're up there with the Rockefellers and the
Vanderbilts they made all of their wealth in the 1960s by creating the Valium
pandemic they launched Valium into the marketplace told people that it was
non-addictive non-abusive grew the market they were writing Valiums for
headaches Valiums for knee shoulder elbow pain and it created they went under
governmental investigation the government ended up investigating the
family in the 60s and then jump forward they they get off they buy their way
out
of that jump forward and this is another thing we'll talk there's so many data
points uh their patent on hydrocodone was expiring so big pharma does this a
lot
and I'll get into this like they they say we innovate but it costs 10 times we
make
tenfold on one drug because we innovate and so many go by the wayside they don't
innovate they re-engineer and reapply and like Zyprexa got combined with
symbiacs to two drugs that were already on the market to extend the patent
right so
the goal is to play this shell game where you you when your patents close to
expiring you have to reapply and extend the patent via a new indication or some
sort of new combination of a couple of different products and so hydrocodone
was expiring the hydrocodone oxy like long delivery system was it or the cotton
system was expiring so what they did is they looked at their revenues and they're
like we're fucked like we we can't we won't hit our numbers we can't continue
these growth trajectories unless we get a new patent on a new pain med so they
went
out and they said what else is out there that we could put into our patented
delivery system and the answer was oxy and the problem with that is it's ten
times
more addictive than hydrocodone so then you go okay well they're gonna have to
do
safety studies and prove it in humans and show that it's not addictive non-abusive
nope human study never happened they were able to piggyback on their hydrocodone
cotton delivery system take the delivery mechanism and all it is is basically
they
grind up the powder and they create layers so in theory if you take the pill
you
won't get a hundred milligrams of oxy at once it'll over eight hours dissolve
into
your body and you'll get that absorption that was the premise and so they said
because of our patented delivery system this drug is non-abusive non-addictive
we
have a great safety profile the other thing that happened is they went to the
FDA and
this is where there's a lot of fuckery they they literally met with the head of
the FDA at the time after hours at a hotel this is all documented now and he
helped them draft their application then rubber-stamped it and pushed it
through
and gave OxyContin the golden fucking ticket he put in the label that OxyContin
is
less likely to be addictive or abusive compared to other opioids in the
market and then you give a rep that and you set them out in a marketplace and
you
give them a $20,000 a month expense account and you have them taking guys to
dinner drinking wine and eating steaks and they show in the label hey we're
less
addictive this is a safe drug we've got to stop pain you know let's let's
really
look this isn't just anymore for the cancer patient this is anybody in your
practice who has pain we're on a mission to stop pain and all of them started
getting addicted I mean it was rampant and the system was trash because once
you grind up the
pill you've just circumvented the delivery mechanism and now it's super
addictive because they're gonna get high doses of an opioid and that's what a
lot
of people were doing that were abusing it right they were grinding it up and
snorting it up and then they it reminded me a lot with kovat because what
happened is patients were doctors were blowing the company at Purdue Pharma is
the name of the company and the families the Sacklers so the Sackler family
this is
all documented now and also Jamie anything I bring up I've put on the ways to
well
website slash JRE because we're gonna go over a lot of stuff so any data point
or
study or any of that I bring up is available on the website what they did was
the Sackler family ended up taking a agreement with the US government and part
of that deal was they would pay I think three billion dollars and then there
was
no they could not prosecute them or come after them criminally and it was done
so
there was a three billion dollars go well they made I think nine or twelve
billion nine to twelve billion I can't remember the number but the three that I
don't know if it goes to the family or the government I don't know I'm not sure
where at all if it went to the families of people and this hits close to home
for
me because my brother died of opioids my brother died at 27 man and it's I
watched
that documentary and it makes me want to fucking vomit I'm just like and it's
not
just the Sacklers it's you know Johnson and Johnson they're known for their
diapers and their no teary eyes baby soap Johnson and Johnson made more than
anybody during the opioid pandemic they were literally growing they were doing
what
people doing the marijuana trade they were turning basically juicing up and
synthetically altering opioid plants to grow faster and more potent so they
could
turn them over quicker and so they supplied all the opium into the United
States and
made billions of dollars billions of dollars in the FDA at this point in time
the
DEA was getting involved going to the FDA going to all these governmental
bodies and
saying look this shit's getting crazy like this is getting out of control the
addiction rates
are through the roof what Purdue did at that time was pivot and go out and
educate doctors
on breakthrough pain these patients aren't addicted
they're just still in pain and the way to fix it is to write them more opioids
so they
launched a 200 milligram pill and gave people more opioids oh my god there's a
tragic uh
that the one that is dope sick is is like a docu series but it's not a
documentary it's like we're a fictional reality yeah um there is a
documentary documentary and it's tragic it's this mormon family and he talks
about this is the level of bravado that physicians
oftentimes have his wife they grew up mormon and they had been married they had
multiple
kids and the story is his wife got in a car wreck injured her neck and was
doing okay
she was seeing a primary care doctor and a neighbor said you need to go to the
pain clinic and go
meet doctor so-and-so long story short he puts her on oxy he puts her on a
bunch of other meds
uh she ends up passing out all over the house the husband's like taking
pictures of her to document
for the doctor and she ends up in the ER at one point after she gets out they
put her in rehab they get
her clean again and that doctor's practice reaches back out and asks to meet
with the family and the
wife this is like a true story in this docu series and when when the doctor
meets with them and i've
seen stuff like this happen the doctor said i and i alone will make the medical
decisions on my patient
not you so are we on the same page here and this this guy said i looked him in
the eye and i said yes
sir anyways the guy's wife od'd and died like literally a month later and so
they're suing the
doctor they're suing his practice so the doctor got her back on pills doctor
got her back on pills
and what was his justification what's this is where it gets so tough because
when you're in it
like when i was in it like erectile dysfunction and in viagra like i said cialis
that's fun right
but some of the drugs you're you are really passionate about like and so i i
think he i do believe that
there's good and bad in every person right and sometimes people's egos get in
the way and he's
probably been to course after course i mean the narrative they spin in this is
he made hundreds of
thousands of dollars in consulting fees from purdue pharma and was paid as a
consultant and over a
time span made i think like three or four hundred thousand dollars off purdue
pharma and so of course
he's going to push purdue pharma's product right um is is the narrative but
what i saw a lot was
you begin to drink the kool-aid and bleed the belief if that makes sense um
like this is we're changing
the world we're going to launch these pain meds and they're going to help being
financially incentivized
for it so you have a reason to think you have a reason to be skewed and then
you're opening the door
to let yourself be educated in a biased manner does that make sense you're only
listening to half the
narrative and that's a problem uh and a lot of times physicians are listening
to the big pharma company
rather than their patients god damn so i mean i experienced that like we had a
drug um stratera
um and it wasn't like a dangerous drug it was a really safe drug meant to treat
children with adhd
and i was passionate about it like i believed in it because i i failed
kindergarten i literally went
to pre first there were kids in my class with helmets because i was adhd and
dyslexic and at the
time the only thing on the market was ritalin and they said we want your son on
ritalin or we're
recommending that he goes to like special education basically uh so i had to go
to a brief first and
and then i jumped forward i'm 23 and had graduated college and i'm making great
money
and i see this drug that is non-abusive non-addictive that we could be using to
treat adhd and kids and
have them not go through all the headaches that i went through as like an adhd
kid i was like this is
amazing instead of adderall and all these stuff um and so you bleed it like you
get really passionate
about it when you buy in and nothing bad ever happened with that drug it wasn't
as efficacious
as the company presented it to be it didn't seem to work as effectively um isn't
that always the case
though i mean is there ever a drug other than cialis which really does what it
advertises yeah but is
there are there i mean that's kind of always the case that they exaggerate the
benefits well the biggest
challenge is not only the exaggeration potentially of the benefits it's the if
they begin to re-engineer
or apply it to a different disease state um i'm trying to think of an example
that would be a good