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Joe Rogan Experience #1897 - Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Showing by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
These are some of my all-time favorite podcasts, I just have to tell you.
I'm so excited to have you guys in today.
I really was.
All weekend, I was giddy.
I was giddy thinking about today.
So, congratulations on the Netflix series.
I am super excited to, first of all, to have that on a mainstream platform is
such a huge victory for you.
Thank you.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
It's all turning in both of your way.
I mean, there was so much skepticism just years ago, but now it seems like with,
and even Michael Shermer, you were showing me something that he tweeted today.
Yeah, well, no, he tweeted it a while ago, but, you know, he walked back on
some of his criticisms of our work.
It was in light of new evidence of the Younger Drives Impact Theory.
Exactly, exactly.
No, it's been a major challenge getting this show done, but it's the first time,
I think, that these radical ideas have got onto a major platform.
And the whole focus of the thing is summed up in the title of the show, Ancient
Apocalypse, because we had an incredible apocalypse that hit this planet.
And it wasn't just one moment.
It was 1,200 years of hell on earth between roughly 12,800 and 11,600 years ago.
Wow.
And that is not taken into account by mainstream historians and archaeologists.
Something that really changed the world needs to be taken into account if we're
claiming to have a full knowledge of the past of humanity.
And so I'm just really glad that Netflix have taken this show on and they're
going to blast it out to a worldwide audience.
And hopefully that will begin to put more pressure on the academics who,
frankly, I'm not a conspiracist, but they do act as gatekeepers as to what may
be allowed out in front of the public and what may be not allowed.
Yes.
And that seems to be because of the books they've written, the lectures they've
given, that they've given all these lectures and they've written all these
books that have theories that are outdated and they don't want to let those
theories go in light of the new evidence.
They want to push back as much as possible because it, frankly, weakens their
credibility as the arbiters of the truth.
Yeah, I think that's the issue.
But really some quite sinister things have happened because of this show.
I got banned from Egypt.
That's the very clever way for archaeologists to make sure that no criticism
can come in of their sights, of their take on things, is just to ban the critic
from coming there.
I got banned from Serpent Mound in Ohio.
Can you imagine that?
I mean, Serpent Mound is a national landmark.
People should not get banned from going there.
When you say banned, meaning you tried to go there to film or just to visit?
When we approached them to make an episode of my Netflix series, At Serpent Mound,
initially they were welcoming and then they heard that Graham Hancock was
presenting the series.
And immediately they turned around and said, no, filming permission is refused
because Hancock's views differ from our own.
Well, I was able to make a virtue of that in the sense that I stood at the
gates of Serpent Mound, which were closed, and I read out their letter where
they say that just because I don't agree with them, they won't allow me access
to the site.
Fortunately, we have masses of footage, drones and other things, and we were
able to do the show.
But it shows, again, people must be very insecure in their ideas if they
actually have to ban critics from expressing alternative ideas.
And what is the significance of Serpent Mound?
Well, the first and foremost thing is it's an incredible, beautiful, amazing
site, which everybody who can get to Ohio should go and see.
It's just the most incredible place.
But secondly, there are indications that it's much older than it's supposed to
be.
And that has particularly to do with the way that the jaws of the Serpent line
up to the setting sun.
And because the changing positions of the sunset due to changes in the Earth's
motion.
So this is it here?
That's it there.
We're looking at the – that's the head of the Serpent and is looking straight
at the setting sun.
And this alignment was perfect about 12,500 years ago.
It's slightly off today, and that's because of changes in the rising point of
the sun over thousands and thousands of years.
And that's what they don't like.
They don't want Serpent Mound to be older.
There's one group of archaeologists think it's just 1,000 years old.
Another group think, well, maybe it's 2,500 or 3,000 years old.
But the notion that it might be 12,000 years old is something they don't want
anybody to hear, really.
And is the evidence that it's 12,000 years old just based with the alignment of
the sun, or is there other evidence?
No, there's other evidence as well.
There's material from that time that have been found at Serpent Mound, but
archaeologists consider it to be irrelevant to the date of Serpent Mound.
Yeah, material, like what kind of material?
Carbon-datable material, objects, bits of wood that were burned.
People were there.
People were doing stuff.
It's clear that that site has been constructed and reconstructed multiple times
over thousands and thousands of years.
This is a theme that I've found throughout making Ancient Apocalypse, that when
you look at a particular site, what you're looking at is the latest incarnation
of that site.
But the site itself has been sacred for millennia, and it needs repair.
It needs renovation, particularly if it's an earthen mound like Serpent Mound.
And so that is a theme that does seem to be repeated even under modern,
accepted archaeological understandings of ancient sites, like the Parthenon and
the Acropolis.
Well, less so.
Less so in terms of the timeline.
Less so in terms of the timeline.
I mean, one of the sites we visited for this series is an incredible pyramid in
Mexico at a place called Cholula.
And it is, in fact, the largest pyramid in the world.
Very few people have even heard of it.
But it's a much bigger pyramid than the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt.
It's not as high, but its footprint is massive.
So it's a huge, humongous thing sitting there on the ground.
And it turns out that inside it are four other pyramids that were built on top
of what we see and what we see now.
What we see now was built on top of those older pyramids.
And then at the very heart of it is a sort of sacred spring that seems to have
been the reason for the creation of that.
And we, again, explore the possibility that the origins of this site may be
much older than the archaeological dating.
So how long did it take you guys to do this series?
Well, to be clear, the series is me and it's me making it.
But Randall plays an incredibly important role in the series.
Randall and I are comrades in arms.
We're working together against the mainstream to bring an alternative point of
view.
And Randall is the star of Episode 8.
And Episode 8 is the episode where we bring the whole story of the ancient
apocalypse together.
The terrible things that happened to this world.
The terrible things.
That was the time when all the great megafauna went extinct.
The saber-toothed tigers, the woolly rhinos and so on and so forth.
They all went extinct between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago.
And there's evidence of just utterly cataclysmic flooding in North America,
particularly in the channeled scablands in the Pacific Northwest.
And that flooding came off the ice cap.
And something made it come off the ice cap really, really fast.
And Randall has just devoted years of his life to studying this mystery.
What really went on there?
And let's not underestimate it.
Let's just not talk about lakes bursting their banks.
Let's talk about something huge that took place.
And the landscape speaks to that huge event.
And Randall, you've discussed this on the podcast before.
But in the interest of making this a standalone show, we should probably get
into it before.
You came up with this idea.
What year was it when that idea first came to your mind?
Remember, you were telling me you were on acid and you were looking at how did...
Well, that was 1969.
Yeah.
And I didn't quite formulate a specific theory at that point.
But you had a thought.
I had an impression.
I call it an impression.
I was looking at an underfit river.
You know what that is?
No.
Jamie, can we do a map?
And I'm going to show you exactly what we're talking about here.
I'm going to zoom in on...
Okay, well...
Oh, here you go.
Oh, okay.
Nice.
Okay.
A little HDMI action.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There we go.
Okay.
All right.
You're going to learn a new term, Joe.
It's underfit river.
Okay, so it was a little different back in 1969, but Eden Prairie was a
location of an airport.
Let me put this onto terrain.
All right.
Here we go.
And let me see.
Here we go.
So this is the Minnesota River Valley.
And I was standing.
I actually went back and found the...
A few years ago, found the spot I was standing.
And it was right here on this bluff, looking into this valley.
Now, if you go here, you can see there's another side to it over here.
And if you look back here, you're going to see this is what's an underfit river.
An underfit river is where the modern river is diminutive relative to the
channel that it's
flowing in.
And the channel was part of what they called the spillway of Lake Agassiz,
which was a
gigantic meltwater lake that formed in that interval that Graham was just
talking about.
So this is the modern Minnesota River, which is a fairly substantial river,
probably close
to the Colorado here that runs through Austin.
But you can see the channel.
The channel is huge relative to the river.
A few geologists have worked on it and concluded that the meltwater flow here
through here was
4,000 times greater than the modern flow of the Minnesota River.
So anyways, I was standing here, looking out into this, and what I saw was the
modern river
entrenched within a couple of banks.
And then I'm looking at this huge channel.
And I just had this impression that, was this a huge river channel?
See, when I was looking three miles across, there's another set of 200-foot-high
bluffs matching the
ones that I was standing on.
And then below me was the modern Minnesota River with its banks, which were
like miniature
versions of the bluffs.
Now, it was a full decade before I actually came back to the idea, as I was
beginning to
learn more about catastrophism, which was still very much in the seminal stages
back in the,
say, the 70s.
You know, we've learned so much more about the catastrophic history of this
planet since
then.
But then I began to think, well, and this was before I even knew about Glacial
River Warren,
it was called, which was the flow through here.
And you can actually, I took, Graham, we went there.
If we chased.
We did, indeed.
We did.
Right up here by Ortonville is Big Stone, see Big Stone City.
So this is the southern outlet of Lake Agassiz.
And this was one of the outburst floods, many outburst floods of gigantic flows
of meltwater
coming off the ice sheet.
Big Stone City.
Now, when you look at names of lakes and towns and places, oftentimes there's
clues.
It's like Big Stone City and Big Stone Lake.
If you go there, there's big stones laying all over the landscape that were
flushed out
in this catastrophic draining of Lake Agassiz.
Because these drainings would have involved not just water, but icebergs.
Yes.
Turbulent flows of water filled with icebergs the size of oil tankers.
And inside those icebergs, locked up, are huge chunks of rock.
And eventually the iceberg melts and it releases the rock, and that's how you
get the big stone.
Yeah.
And then the last place we went, Graham, was the potholes at St. Croix Falls.
I'll zoom in here.
And this is an interesting place.
There's a constriction in the bedrock.
This is hard basalt bedrock.
When you have water flow coming along, it's got a conservation of volume so
