Name: Krystal & Saagar on The Media's Gaslighting Over Corruption in Ukraine
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Krystal & Saagar on The Media's Gaslighting Over Corruption in Ukraine' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2023-02-04. Transcript available.

The Joe Rogan experience that we've been gaslit in this conflict is like and it
just came out I
don't know if you saw this you probably did that Zelensky fired a bunch of his
cabinet officials
over corruption and it was like they were taking these fancy vacations to
Europe one of them was
accused of basically overcharging the military for meals and remember I mean
the amount that
we have sent to Ukraine and propping up not only their military but their
government their economy
etc when they're taking that money that's like coming directly out of the US
taxpayer pocket and
nobody reported on any of this until Zelensky fired people and then it would
then we were allowed to
be like yeah there's some problems with corruption there maybe a little bit
maybe we should like
worry a little bit about where the weapons are going and what exactly is
happening there but
before then you weren't allowed to say it even better the times actually
changed his headline
they were like Ukraine goes corruption drive and it was like Zelensky aims to
stamp out corruption
just to make it a little bit less like the appearance I have some fun numbers
for everybody
this is from a past monologue I've gone USAID currently at a hundred billion
dollars is double
what the entire rest of the world has given to Ukraine in one year surpasses
what we gave the
Afghan military in 20 years the total amount to Ukraine now exceeds all US
military aid to the
country of South Vietnam between 1956 and 1975 Wow a hundred billion dollars
and listen I think what
Russia did was wrong I think it's an atrocity I think the Ukrainian cause is
just but the total lack
of debate the lack of willingness to say like hey when we got into this what
you sold to the American
people is you're gonna provide defensive weapons only so Ukraine could defend
itself now we're sending
tanks now we're sending it just came out longer-range missiles out these were
things that were totally
off the table and then suddenly step by step by step not only are they on the
table but you're not
allowed to question it you're not allowed to say hey guys are we setting
ourselves up for world war
three here which is something the president himself was talking about not very
long ago and yet no debate
and that's the thing that you know however you feel about the Ukraine conflict
and you know the build up to
it and how we got here and all of those things I think at the very base level
the total lack of an ability to
have dissent and debate and understand the potential consequences of what we're
doing that is fucking
terrifying because we are talking about a nuclear armed superpower that we are
engaged in a proxy war with
and you're basically not allowed to say hey how does this end what do we need
to do to try to get to
negotiated settlement here how do we avoid having a conflict with this nuclear
armed superpower world war
three seems like a bad thing to have on the table right now and you guys are
one of the few voices of
reason that will say that that agree but on both sides of the fence and this is
this is a thing that I
there's a lot of videos out now and I don't know if these people get these
videos but I get them I get
these videos of horrible war encounters yes in in Russia and Ukraine it's it's
horrendous and it brings me to
this thing that I think about a lot because I think about things that other
people do for a living and
their jobs and I think about like they live in a world that I don't understand
you know there's
like the like I'm fascinated by professional chess players they live in a world
that I don't
understand because I don't play chess I love the fact I kind of know how the
pieces move but I've
really only played like maybe 10 times my whole life yeah I there's a thing
that people have it's a quality of being
a human being you only know what you know and other things become like these
sort of like ethereal
narratives they're not necessarily real and war is one of them yes war is one
of them there's a thing
that people the way my friends who've served talk about war is so titanically
different than the way
people who ideologically support or disavow it like you don't know what the
fuck you're talking about if
you say there's no need for a military you're crazy we are going to get subjugated
someone will come
here with men with guns if you take away all the guns that everybody has no
more military we're fucked
and if you don't think that it's because if you'd never gone to the the dark
parts of the world or
you've never gone on telegram I'll send you some videos I saw I saw a guy get
killed with a hammer
yesterday this is so important for people to understand which is that we are 75
years removed from what war on
European continent actually looks like and you know Joe I'm the same way I've
been on fucking live leak you know since I was like 12
my girlfriend's like what are you watching I'm like what and she's like a beheading
or something like that my wife will come into my office and I have to pause
videos and I'm like you really want to see this
they always say yes but then they can't handle it I can't handle it I don't do
I don't do well with blood
the point though is that you know we have to try and convey this to people and
just say like hey when
you're on Twitter and you're like hey you know fuck you you know anybody who's
against the narrative
you're like this is not a joke like hundreds of thousands of Russians are dead
hundreds of thousands
our Ukrainians are dead millions are displaced we have no idea what the endgame
is like and you know
this is what Crystal was saying I have this thing where you know the Fight Club
line like on a long
enough timeline I'm like on a long enough timeline Ukraine is getting
everything that it wanted so
originally it was like no-fly zone and Biden was like I'm being responsible I'm
saying no well first
they ruled out Patriot missile systems Patriot missile systems are now on the
way to Ukraine they ruled out
tanks now tanks are on the way to Ukraine right now there's an article talking
about how F-16s
they're thinking about sending yeah Pentagon F-16s Biden says no now right
exactly he was saying no to
tanks right like five days before they sent tanks and here's the thing he doesn't
remember that though
yeah you're right and you gotta dig deep too like for example originally we're
like we just want Ukraine
to take back what it originally lost and listen if I was Ukrainian I'd be
pushing for the same
thing absolutely 100 sympathy they are not in the wrong here they've been
invaded by
a foreign and aggressive power that said like we got to think about what's best
for us right now with
there's a New York Times article about US warms to helping Ukraine take back
Crimea I'm like well
hold on a fucking second I'm not saying it's just that Russia took Crimea in
2013 but they formally
annexed it and if you ask people in Russia Crimea is Russia so if they use if
Ukraine uses a Pentagon
provided F-16 to bomb Crimea now what like now that's a violation of Russian
nuclear doctrine they've updated
their nuclear doctrine by the way to not even say it's defensive they can say
they can use it in any
capacity that Vladimir Putin wants to that was a significant change yeah if you
look in the history
of the way that the great superpowers actually consider their own nuclear first
strike use it's
something that is considered ironclad and then boom it changes like that you're
not even gonna hear
about this and I was heartened a while back when there were some leaks that
came out of the Biden
administration that he at like a donor event in San Francisco or something said
basically like we're
you know we got to make sure we avoid World War Three I'm paraphrasing but that
was the he was like
we got to avoid nuclear war we got to avoid World War Three and I was like okay
good he's he's thinking about
that that caution that existed at that point seems to be totally out of the
window and if you read you know
the official sort of like state state paper the New York Times about the
administration's thinking
they're like well you know Russia said this nuclear stuff and it didn't happen
so they must just be
bluffing it must just not be real and it's like okay number one was there a
timeline before they could
press the button exactly oh they didn't blow up the whole world yet so we
should be fine fine I mean
that's insane number one and number two the idea that Russia hasn't escalated
in response to our actions
is just not true they've been striking critical energy infrastructure including
you know in and around
Kiev which was an escalation they went through with a conscription that there
you know was very
politically dicey for Putin there's rumors that they may go through with
another draft so the idea that
they just like took all of this lying down didn't escalate is a fantasy to
start with but it's
incredibly dangerous and foolish to think just because they didn't push the
nuclear button yet that oh
it's all fine and he's just full of it thank god there's people like you guys
out there because
there's so many people that they have Ukraine in the same category of
importance and significance as they
do climate change climate change which is a real thing but it's it's a
politically divisive alleyway
where you're not allowed to veer from the course and even look at any kind of
science it's the same
thing with Ukraine a support from your for Ukraine is undeniable you must put
it in your twitter bio and
you guys are saying you're not saying don't support Ukraine but you're saying
look where this is going do
you understand what this is because you can't just openly support something you
don't understand
without a comprehensive view of what the fuck the factors are and how it got to
be that way in the
first place and you're not going to hear that in a five minute clip on
mainstream news you're just
not going to it's so important for us to internalize that message we're not
saying we don't we hate
Ukraine we're not saying we don't even support Ukraine the ukrainian cause is
just we're saying
is what about our interests all there are interests that sub supersede ukraine
if i was ukrainian i
would do exactly what they were doing but guess what ukraine does not exist
without the united states we
provide the vast majority of the military uh there for the diplomacy
perspective if we cut off military
weapons to them tomorrow that's it done they are literally are forced to the
negotiating table i'm not even
saying we should do that i'm saying what is the end game and you know in my
neighborhood there's more
ukraine flags than there are american flags it's like ukraine flag gay pride
flag no american flag but
then it's like okay uh if you go to those people and if it would just say what
they said they're
saying this is disgusting this is russian propaganda it's up to the ukrainians
for when they want to
stop and i said yeah i completely agree but it's also up to us for whatever we
stop providing them
weapons we're like hey if you want to defend this part of your territory that's
totally fine that's our end game
my end game is not having a nuclear conflict is making sure that we have peace
on the european
continent vladimir putin is in opposition to that peace but putin and russia
are going to exist you
know something i think people should take home too is you had peter zihon on he
said it really well which
is the first year of every russian conflict is a total shit show if you look at
finland if you look
at the first year of hitler's invasion even going all the way back to napoleon
and some of the czar's
campaigns before that they lose a shit ton of people looks like a complete mass
they fire a bunch
of generals all of this and then what do they do they use their vast rush the russian
colossus is
known out of that for a reason because they have a shitload of people they a
lot have military materiel
they amass it and they throw it at them and so people are like you know saga
crystal like what you
guys are saying will be valid but ukraine is winning look we are barely a year
into this one year
into the first world war i could make the easy case that germany was going to
win the first world war
second world war i could easily make the case the nazis weren't going to win if
i go back to world
war uh civil war i could easily make a case the confederates were going to win
all three of those it
didn't happen why because these things go on for a long time like you have no
idea what it is and one
of the reasons that many of those conflicts first and two went on and
ultimately came to the conclusion
they were was because a lot millions of lives were lost and the whole point
from those conflicts if
you look at the way that people talked was we have to learn the lesson we have
to learn the lesson but
it's been 75 years and now this is all a game this is a tweet that people are
saying about ukraine but
it says real world consequences for people that's it that's it exactly and the
the total lack of an
ability to have a reasoned debate without just being like smeared as a
propaganda yes it is it don't
read the comments it is it is a terrifying moment um and you know there's a
couple things that do uh
give me some heart which is number one even though like i can't really blame
the people who are just
who can't understand seeing it another way because the propaganda that is
coming from every network
really like almost across the board is very strong and it's very hard to avoid
that so i have sympathy
for that perspective but even so a poll just came out that had from nbc news
they buried this in the
very end of their write-up of the poll public's now 50 50 split on continuing
aid to ukraine so
people are questioning even though they're being fed so much propaganda i think
that is a credit to
the rise of independent media i think it's also a credit to the fact that they
don't trust the
mainstream friends anymore but because of independent media the trust is
informed or the lack of trust
rather right it's not just it's not just knee-jerk i hope i mean that's my hope
looking at those numbers
yeah i think your hope is 100 correct i think you're right i think you guys are
very important
glenn greenwald very important jimmy door very important kyle kalinsky very
important people who
are real people that that actually have done the homework and are going over
the details and can
inform people because there's so many people out there you like i talked to dave
smith about the
history of the conflict between russia and ukraine i was like what and he
informed me about the coup in
2014. i'm like oh my god there's a lot of backstory and then we played the
video on the colbert show
which is just like gideon something the guy from the times where he was like he's
got a book he's
selling a book and in the book he's comparing russia and ukraine to batman and
robin and he's like
ukraine is robin and we want to take robin and bring him over to our side and
it's like this open
secret they're just openly talking you know there were um cables from that
actually wiki leaks
released and a friend who's a great journalist bronco marcia teach who's been
looking at the
ukraine conflict with a critical eye um he sorted through these cables and he
found all of these
diplomatic cables from the prior era where you had um nato allies you had u.s
officials who were all saying
hey guys russia has red lines here with regard to ukraine and floating nato
membership with ukraine
is a real violation of their hard red lines and we're very fearful and they
laid out exactly the
trajectory that we could find ourselves on now that doesn't deny russia agency
or you know putin and
the kremlin agency for invading no one made them do that however it is to say
that you know there was
a time when you were allowed to acknowledge that u.s policy could lead to this
exact event and now when
you even suggest that us you know floating nato membership with ukraine and
saying that they were
going to be made apart that some of these things were exacerbating they crossed
the red line and you
know created a situation that was incredibly tense where this is the
predictable outcome
and again that's you're not allowed to talk about that
again that's you're not allowed to talk about that
again that's you're not allowed to talk about that
again that's you're not allowed to talk about that
again that's you're not allowed to talk about that

Krystal & Saagar on The Media's Gaslighting Over Corruption in Ukraine

The Joe Rogan experience that we've been gaslit in this conflict is like and it
just came out I
don't know if you saw this you probably did that Zelensky fired a bunch of his
cabinet officials
over corruption and it was like they were taking these fancy vacations to
Europe one of them was
accused of basically overcharging the military for meals and remember I mean
the amount that
we have sent to Ukraine and propping up not only their military but their
government their economy
etc when they're taking that money that's like coming directly out of the US
taxpayer pocket and
nobody reported on any of this until Zelensky fired people and then it would
then we were allowed to
be like yeah there's some problems with corruption there maybe a little bit
maybe we should like
worry a little bit about where the weapons are going and what exactly is
happening there but
before then you weren't allowed to say it even better the times actually
changed his headline
they were like Ukraine goes corruption drive and it was like Zelensky aims to
stamp out corruption
just to make it a little bit less like the appearance I have some fun numbers
for everybody
this is from a past monologue I've gone USAID currently at a hundred billion
dollars is double
what the entire rest of the world has given to Ukraine in one year surpasses
what we gave the
Afghan military in 20 years the total amount to Ukraine now exceeds all US
military aid to the
country of South Vietnam between 1956 and 1975 Wow a hundred billion dollars
and listen I think what
Russia did was wrong I think it's an atrocity I think the Ukrainian cause is
just but the total lack
of debate the lack of willingness to say like hey when we got into this what
you sold to the American
people is you're gonna provide defensive weapons only so Ukraine could defend
itself now we're sending
tanks now we're sending it just came out longer-range missiles out these were
things that were totally
off the table and then suddenly step by step by step not only are they on the
table but you're not
allowed to question it you're not allowed to say hey guys are we setting
ourselves up for world war
three here which is something the president himself was talking about not very
long ago and yet no debate
and that's the thing that you know however you feel about the Ukraine conflict
and you know the build up to
it and how we got here and all of those things I think at the very base level
the total lack of an ability to
have dissent and debate and understand the potential consequences of what we're
doing that is fucking
terrifying because we are talking about a nuclear armed superpower that we are
engaged in a proxy war with
and you're basically not allowed to say hey how does this end what do we need
to do to try to get to
negotiated settlement here how do we avoid having a conflict with this nuclear
armed superpower world war
three seems like a bad thing to have on the table right now and you guys are
one of the few voices of
reason that will say that that agree but on both sides of the fence and this is
this is a thing that I
there's a lot of videos out now and I don't know if these people get these
videos but I get them I get
these videos of horrible war encounters yes in in Russia and Ukraine it's it's
horrendous and it brings me to
this thing that I think about a lot because I think about things that other
people do for a living and
their jobs and I think about like they live in a world that I don't understand
you know there's
like the like I'm fascinated by professional chess players they live in a world
that I don't
understand because I don't play chess I love the fact I kind of know how the
pieces move but I've
really only played like maybe 10 times my whole life yeah I there's a thing
that people have it's a quality of being
a human being you only know what you know and other things become like these
sort of like ethereal
narratives they're not necessarily real and war is one of them yes war is one
of them there's a thing
that people the way my friends who've served talk about war is so titanically
different than the way
people who ideologically support or disavow it like you don't know what the
fuck you're talking about if
you say there's no need for a military you're crazy we are going to get subjugated
someone will come
here with men with guns if you take away all the guns that everybody has no
more military we're fucked
and if you don't think that it's because if you'd never gone to the the dark
parts of the world or
you've never gone on telegram I'll send you some videos I saw I saw a guy get
killed with a hammer
yesterday this is so important for people to understand which is that we are 75
years removed from what war on
European continent actually looks like and you know Joe I'm the same way I've
been on fucking live leak you know since I was like 12
my girlfriend's like what are you watching I'm like what and she's like a beheading
or something like that my wife will come into my office and I have to pause
videos and I'm like you really want to see this
they always say yes but then they can't handle it I can't handle it I don't do
I don't do well with blood
the point though is that you know we have to try and convey this to people and
just say like hey when
you're on Twitter and you're like hey you know fuck you you know anybody who's
against the narrative
you're like this is not a joke like hundreds of thousands of Russians are dead
hundreds of thousands
our Ukrainians are dead millions are displaced we have no idea what the endgame
is like and you know
this is what Crystal was saying I have this thing where you know the Fight Club
line like on a long
enough timeline I'm like on a long enough timeline Ukraine is getting
everything that it wanted so
originally it was like no-fly zone and Biden was like I'm being responsible I'm
saying no well first
they ruled out Patriot missile systems Patriot missile systems are now on the
way to Ukraine they ruled out
tanks now tanks are on the way to Ukraine right now there's an article talking
about how F-16s
they're thinking about sending yeah Pentagon F-16s Biden says no now right
exactly he was saying no to
tanks right like five days before they sent tanks and here's the thing he doesn't
remember that though
yeah you're right and you gotta dig deep too like for example originally we're
like we just want Ukraine
to take back what it originally lost and listen if I was Ukrainian I'd be
pushing for the same
thing absolutely 100 sympathy they are not in the wrong here they've been
invaded by
a foreign and aggressive power that said like we got to think about what's best
for us right now with
there's a New York Times article about US warms to helping Ukraine take back
Crimea I'm like well
hold on a fucking second I'm not saying it's just that Russia took Crimea in
2013 but they formally
annexed it and if you ask people in Russia Crimea is Russia so if they use if
Ukraine uses a Pentagon
provided F-16 to bomb Crimea now what like now that's a violation of Russian
nuclear doctrine they've updated
their nuclear doctrine by the way to not even say it's defensive they can say
they can use it in any
capacity that Vladimir Putin wants to that was a significant change yeah if you
look in the history
of the way that the great superpowers actually consider their own nuclear first
strike use it's
something that is considered ironclad and then boom it changes like that you're
not even gonna hear
about this and I was heartened a while back when there were some leaks that
came out of the Biden
administration that he at like a donor event in San Francisco or something said
basically like we're
you know we got to make sure we avoid World War Three I'm paraphrasing but that
was the he was like
we got to avoid nuclear war we got to avoid World War Three and I was like okay
good he's he's thinking about
that that caution that existed at that point seems to be totally out of the
window and if you read you know
the official sort of like state state paper the New York Times about the
administration's thinking
they're like well you know Russia said this nuclear stuff and it didn't happen
so they must just be
bluffing it must just not be real and it's like okay number one was there a
timeline before they could
press the button exactly oh they didn't blow up the whole world yet so we
should be fine fine I mean
that's insane number one and number two the idea that Russia hasn't escalated
in response to our actions
is just not true they've been striking critical energy infrastructure including
you know in and around
Kiev which was an escalation they went through with a conscription that there
you know was very
politically dicey for Putin there's rumors that they may go through with
another draft so the idea that
they just like took all of this lying down didn't escalate is a fantasy to
start with but it's
incredibly dangerous and foolish to think just because they didn't push the
nuclear button yet that oh
it's all fine and he's just full of it thank god there's people like you guys
out there because
there's so many people that they have Ukraine in the same category of
importance and significance as they
do climate change climate change which is a real thing but it's it's a
politically divisive alleyway
where you're not allowed to veer from the course and even look at any kind of
science it's the same
thing with Ukraine a support from your for Ukraine is undeniable you must put
it in your twitter bio and
you guys are saying you're not saying don't support Ukraine but you're saying
look where this is going do
you understand what this is because you can't just openly support something you
don't understand
without a comprehensive view of what the fuck the factors are and how it got to
be that way in the
first place and you're not going to hear that in a five minute clip on
mainstream news you're just
not going to it's so important for us to internalize that message we're not
saying we don't we hate
Ukraine we're not saying we don't even support Ukraine the ukrainian cause is
just we're saying
is what about our interests all there are interests that sub supersede ukraine
if i was ukrainian i
would do exactly what they were doing but guess what ukraine does not exist
without the united states we
provide the vast majority of the military uh there for the diplomacy
perspective if we cut off military
weapons to them tomorrow that's it done they are literally are forced to the
negotiating table i'm not even
saying we should do that i'm saying what is the end game and you know in my
neighborhood there's more
ukraine flags than there are american flags it's like ukraine flag gay pride
flag no american flag but
then it's like okay uh if you go to those people and if it would just say what
they said they're
saying this is disgusting this is russian propaganda it's up to the ukrainians
for when they want to
stop and i said yeah i completely agree but it's also up to us for whatever we
stop providing them
weapons we're like hey if you want to defend this part of your territory that's
totally fine that's our end game
my end game is not having a nuclear conflict is making sure that we have peace
on the european
continent vladimir putin is in opposition to that peace but putin and russia
are going to exist you
know something i think people should take home too is you had peter zihon on he
said it really well which
is the first year of every russian conflict is a total shit show if you look at
finland if you look
at the first year of hitler's invasion even going all the way back to napoleon
and some of the czar's
campaigns before that they lose a shit ton of people looks like a complete mass
they fire a bunch
of generals all of this and then what do they do they use their vast rush the russian
colossus is
known out of that for a reason because they have a shitload of people they a
lot have military materiel
they amass it and they throw it at them and so