Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1961 - Peter Attia
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1961 - Peter Attia' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2023-03-28. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1961 - Peter Attia

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
This sign is made by this company, Rogue House Relics.
So, they make like these beautiful neon, cool looking, funky signs.
And my buddy Brigham actually bought it for me, like when I moved here.
And I was like, wow, what a cool sign.
Like, wouldn't that be nice if it was like in the studio behind me?
And so, it wasn't on purpose.
It wasn't by design at all.
And so, once he did it.
But the UFO was his idea.
Yeah, it was before we even decided to call it the mothership.
But I'm easy to figure out.
I mean, I got a fucking Bob Lazar UFO on the desk.
I got fucking stars on the ceilings.
I have an alien head in the sky.
Yeah, I'm a dork.
It's easy to, I mean, it's not like, wow, how did he know you like UFOs?
I'm fucking obsessed.
I'm absolutely obsessed.
I think it's the only thing that's going to save us.
So, Outlive, the science and art of longevity.
This is a big one, buddy.
Look at this.
Look at all this.
There's a lot of information in this.
Not a lot of pictures.
No pictures?
No, there's some.
I need pictures.
Yeah, there's some.
There's some.
No, it's, uh, is it out now?
Out today.
Today.
Beautiful.
How long did it take you to write this?
Six years.
Wow.
Six years.
And I know this, like, that's like six years of actual work, too.
Yeah.
I mean, I rewrote it twice.
So, it was kind of version one, version two.
This is version three.
What did you change?
So, the first version, um, got basically thrown out by the publisher because
they said,
this is way too technical.
There's no narrative.
There's no story.
It's being written to just a very, you know, tiny sliver of the world.
Basically, it's like the book you would write to scientists or maybe physicians.
So, then there was kind of version two.
Um, so, so that vision, that version is completely gone.
I don't think there's anything from that that made it into version two.
Wow.
Version two was the skeleton of this book, but it was about 50% longer.
I mean, it was a massive book.
And that's the kind of version that I'd say was circa 2020.
And this version is just basically better because it's shorter.
A lot of stuff got taken out of it that I think was not absolutely necessary.
Um, and I just sharpened my thinking.
I mean, I think that's what writing is.
I think writing just makes you ask the question, like, is this actually, is
this necessary?
And does this, does this help the reader understand something?
And if not, get it out.
So the, the expression is kill your babies.
You've got to be able to like read something that you've worked really hard on
and put a ton of time into and say, I got to nuke it.
Yeah, I think that's, uh, with everything.
Yeah, totally.
It's fiction with comedy with it.
I'm sure it's that way with music.
You just, there's a certain point in time you have to edit things and get the,
with comedians.
It's a real issue because some comedians like, like certain parts of a bit.
I'm like, look, that bit fucks your bit up.
I know it gets like a little bit of a laugh, but it fucks it up because of this.
Like, yeah, I kind of like doing that.
I'm like, listen, don't look at it like it's yours.
Look at it.
Like if you were outside of you, like I edit the shit out of my stuff.
If you look at it, like it's outside of you, like, how would you approach that?
And, but that's very hard to do.
Cause if you write something, I mean, six years, right?
Three different versions.
There's a lot of you invested in this book.
So it's like, it's very difficult to just like chop stuff up and, you know, and
just fucking
throw it away all the time and all the thinking and, and there was a whole
appendix that never
made it in.
So one of the things I wanted to do was pick like the 20 most important drugs,
hormones,
supplements that I think are relevant and write just quote unquote 10 pages on
each.
And, or I didn't, I didn't go into it thinking it would be 10 pages.
I thought I'm just going to write the essentials on these 10 things, you know,
kind of rapamycin,
metformin, you know, nicotinamide, riboside, you know, those sorts of things.
But then it turned out it was taking me like, you know, eight to 10 pages per
and the publishers
like, yeah, there's no way you can have a 200 page appendix on a 450 page book.
So like all of that work gone, just scrap.
Oh no.
Have you thought about making that like a separate guide?
Yeah.
Maybe down the line, I'll just publish it on my website or something like that.
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it seems like it's very valuable information though.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, I'm ready to put the book aside for a minute.
It's so burnt out.
So, yeah.
Although my wife says like the last few weeks, she's like, it feels like the
weight of the
world is off your shoulders, you know?
Yeah.
Well, it is when you have something that's a big project, it's very difficult
to not let
it consume your entire life.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I was watching this clip of you and Huberman.
It was really fascinating because you were talking about self-talk, the way you
talk to yourself
and about how you adjusted that.
I thought that was very, very interesting that you would, you would get so, you
know, one
of the problems with people like yourself, I guess myself too, people that get
like really
into things is you get obsessed and then you get very hard on yourself if you're,
if things
aren't going well or if it's not going exactly the way you want it to go, the
way, you know,
if you're not using proper technique, if you're not doing, and then for you,
you had a real problem where you like very hypercritical of yourself.
Yeah.
And, and I mean, it was actually out loud.
I mean, I would just verbally berate myself whenever I made mistakes.
And, and I, I don't, I don't remember not experiencing this.
Right.
So this is something that seemed like, yeah, this is like seven year old Peter
was doing
this too.
Wow.
Yeah.
Where'd you get that from?
I mean, I know it had to do with sort of, you know, various defects in my, you
know,
my life as a child.
And, and I think there was just, I think everybody responds kind of differently
to, I, the word
trauma is a bit loaded.
So I want to be kind of careful using it, but I think we all experienced trauma.
We adapt, we're highly adaptable.
Right.
So everybody adapts to trauma very well, I think for the most part, but there
are maladaptations.
And I think one of my, you know, issues I think growing up was just a total
inferiority
complex, right?
This feeling like not good enough, um, you know, look down upon constantly, you
know, all
that sort of stuff.
Like a lot of this is very typical immigrant stuff, by the way, like when you're
kind of
the only non-white person in your middle-class neighborhood, you're, you're
different than
everybody else.
Um, look, I think that's what drew me into sports like boxing and martial arts
at such a
young age, right?
It was kind of like the, I'll be different, I'll be better, I'll be tougher,
all those
things.
So somehow I just think that that, that narrative got harsher and harsher as I
got older and
older and it didn't matter, you know, what sort of, uh, accolades came with it.
Cause, cause it does produce good results sometimes, you know, you, you do get
better.
Um, but I think, you know, where I got to was just the, the benefits were no
longer close
to compensating for the costs.
And I think the biggest costs were the costs, not just on me, which were there
all along,
but it's how it kind of spreads into your relationships with other people.
Most, most importantly, your family.
Yeah, I realized at an early age that there's zero benefit in being hard on
yourself because
I'm, I am no matter what, I'm a perfectionist and I get very angry at myself.
There's zero benefit to self-talk that's negative.
So I, I cut that out of my life, like very early on.
And how, how did you do that?
Well, uh, one of the, I mean, from, you know, age 15 on, I was, uh, very, um,
very active
in martial arts competition, right?
So the, my whole focus was on that.
And my whole focus was on getting better and anything that would somehow or
another get
in the way of me getting better.
I cut it out, whether it was partying, drinking, spending too much time with
girls, whatever
it was, I'm like, that's gotta go.
Cause that's getting in the way.
And, um, I found that negative self-talk gets in the way because there's the
reason why
you have negatives or I had negative self-talk was because I was, uh, insecure
and I was very
ambitious and I really wanted to be really good and I wanted to be really good
immediately.
I didn't want to wait.
But I realized somewhere along the way that the negative in any way, shape or
form, I
didn't need it because I was so driven like that.
The negative was just getting in the way.
It was like, I thought that it was helping me because I was like, come on, you
fucking
idiot, like get going.
But then I realized like, no, no, no, no, no.
Like that's not, that isn't, there's no benefit to that because all the, you
already have like
this crazy desire to get better.
So just don't ever be shitty to yourself and instead concentrate all your
energy on what
you're doing wrong and technique.
And that's why my technique got so good so quickly is because I didn't, I didn't
spend
any time with self load.
Like I didn't spend any time after losses, loathing myself.
All I wanted to do is get back to the gym, but I just figured it out on my own.
And I don't know how, you know, there's like, there's been some moments in, in
my life and
in comedy and in martial arts where I realized I have a very, I had an error in
thinking and
I made adjustments.
And that was one of, that was an adjustment that I made like as a teen, as a
young teenager.
I made that adjustment.
That's fortunate.
I mean, I, like I'm 47, I'm 50 now, but I was 47 when I figured this out and I
didn't
necessarily figure it out on my own.
I mean, it had to be sort of made apparently clear to me.
So to, you know, if I'd figured this out when I was 17, I would have saved
myself and
everybody else, a lot of pain.
Yeah, it's hard, man, because if you're, if you're ambitious, if you have goals,
if you're
very into what you're doing, you're very focused on whatever the endeavor is,
whenever you have
a setback, it's, it's really frustrating and it's infuriating and you can, you
can get very
angry at yourself, especially if you're doing something that, you know, better,
like if you make
an error, whether it's with archery or whether it's anything that you do that
you're really
interested in, if you, you know that it was a lapse of concentration or you're
tired or
you just weren't focused on it entirely and you fuck something up, it's like,
God damn it,
you fucking dumb ass piece of shit.
Like it's so easy to do that, but you can't let that happen because it's a bad
use of fuel.
It really is.
It's a bad use of fuel.
I mean, I'll still occasionally yell if I fuck something like fucking fuck, but
I'm not mad
at myself.
It's just energy.
I just have to fucking get it out.
You know, I'm just, I just got to fucking let it out.
But, um, I think thinking of yourself as a fucking loser is never good.
Like zero time.
There's no benefit in it ever.
You're always going to have frustration.
You're always going to, but you have to also understand the process.
Like in the, while things are going poorly, it's very difficult to, to
recognize that
it's part of the process.
It's so hard.
It's so hard when things are going poorly, whether it's a standup comedy or
martial arts
or anything, when things suck, when things aren't going well, it's so difficult
to see past
that moment, but you just have to.
And over time with many, many different instances of this taking place, you
recognize like, it's
okay, I know you feel like shit.
I know you feel like the world is ending, but it's not, not only is it not
ending, this
is