Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1970 - Bill Ottman
Uploaded: 2023-04-13T00:00:00.000Z
Description: Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1970 - Bill Ottman' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2023-04-13. Transcript available.

Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1970 - Bill Ottman' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2023-04-13. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1970 - Bill Ottman

Joe Rogan podcast check it out the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan
podcast by
night all day hello good to see buddy what's going on we're here man you are
here everything's going
wild how was your site going it's going we're decentralizing as fast as
possible getting it
out of our hands so that we need to protect ourselves from ourselves mmm how do
you do that
tell everybody it's maps mine mines rather sorry mines.com m-i-n-d-s just had
Rick Dobrin on psychedelics
on the brain I sense kinship with maps yeah yeah mines and maps the two of them
should go together
perfectly probably should work seamlessly yeah so basically there's protocols
and there's platforms
so you know Twitter mines other social networks these are platforms they're
kind of built in the
traditional social media style which is on servers that are you know live in
huge cloud centers and but
there's also protocols the one that we're working with now is called nostr
which stands for notes and
other stuff transmitted by relay so there's no company owns this protocol the
founder is anonymous sort of
similar to Bitcoin and what it is is it's all about crypto key pairs and
signing stuff so with nostr
this all happening in the background on mines every user has a cryptographic
key pair which you can download
you're in your settings you're the only one who gets the private key that's
your identity your content your
followers all that is tied to your identity so when you post something when you
follow somebody that is
creating a signature on this decentralized network of relay notes so we run a
relay thousands of other people run
relays snowden's on nostr now it's like getting serious endorsement and it's
because it doesn't have a company you
know because companies are choke points that can you know we saw what happened
Napster for instance what
happened with Napster Napster just got rocked by the music industry and they
basically died I mean they still sort of exist but they pretty much got taken
down because there was that entity to go after I see so if they were
decentralized but there was no real
decentralization back then was torrents are decent torrents right torrents
actually in nostr is there's work that we're involved with now on integrating
nostr with torrents so that more heavy files video and rich media can be shared
over the network right now it's it's text and
links essentially what is your opinion when it comes when it comes to copyright
protection and stuff like that well like if someone
or if you're not a copy of it's text and links essentially what is your opinion
when it comes to copyright protection and stuff like that well like if someone
said it's
I don't know if it's text and it's text and links essentially what is your
opinion when it comes to copyright protection and stuff like that well like if
someone
has copyrighted material like say if like NBC has a show and then someone
uploads it I mean that's illegal
right but if it's on torrents it's like how do you get it down you don't you
don't you know so it's just even though it's illegal
yeah I mean in that that's why like so we have moderation I mean if if a
copyrighted video gets reported on minds then you know we will take it down
from our
interface but it still exists on the decentralized network so you really can't
stop people from sharing it
no no no so you know I think I kind of have a nuanced view on copyright like I
think that people's work should be protected and you know not stolen and monetized
but at the same time it's just like the nature of information
yeah is not compatible with copyright right just because information wants to
do what it wants to do
that's one of the weirder things about what's happening with the internet is
that essentially as time goes on it becomes more and more difficult to control
what's just ones and zeros right as they're out there the bottlenecks between
people and information
they're getting broader it's getting more and more difficult to stop things and
I think as time goes on it would be impossible
I don't think there'll be any stuff I think
in the future like anything I have a feeling that we'll we'll have zero privacy
in the future I have a feeling that
all of this
encryption and all the stuff I think it's all going to be invalid once quantum
computing is ubiquitous
I think I just have a feeling that there's no way you can stop information when
when technology moves past where it is now to some place where basically
anybody could get access to anything at any time and then the problem becomes
how do you control money when that happens because money in a lot of I mean a
lot of it is just ones and zeros and the only thing that stops you from being
able to steal it or transfer it is
the only thing that's for it is encryption when when you don't have any more
encryption and anyone kind of has access to anything that's online
So yeah I hear you it does seem like over time technology is working against
privacy and yes it's it's it's it's it's that's a better way to put it so
so but you know encryption hasn't been bro some encryption has been broken but
encryption is still good it still works and as as quantum computing advances
encryption protocols will advance too so it is it's a race and there are people
trying to trying to break it but I heard the other day you were mentioning the
whole thing with signal and Tucker yeah and so yeah to clarify that so based on
my understanding signal has not been compromised and so yeah to clarify that so
based on my understanding signal has not been compromised
um the Pegasus program that you were referring to does have the ability to hack
people and get into their device but once you get into someone's device it's
actually easier to get into someone's machine or phone than it is to hack the
encryption protocol so if you can get into someone's phone then you can you
probably can get into their messages so that's different that's different than
signal being irrelevant right it's not that signals are relevant but it's just
that the government right now has the ability to hack people
right now has the ability to get into things no matter what all you according
to gavin de becker who's a securities expert he said all they need is your
phone number
mm-hmm signal one was excuse me um Pegasus one was you needed a link so someone
would have to that's the whole jeff bezos story someone sent him a link on
whatsapp he clicked on that link bang all of a sudden they have access to his
phone right and you have to be super sophisticated to lock yourself down to
avoid that like i'm sure
like i'm sure that there are people who well i know there are people who are
probably less victim to something like pegasus
sure probably less victim but i mean i guess with a guy like jeff bezos he
probably has someone scan his phone all the time but i wonder if they could
even detect pegasus at this point
yeah and if we know about pegasus 2 how do we know if there's a pegasus 3 like
whatever sort of workarounds they've found i'm i'm sure we're not going to be
privy to it until it's too late yeah i mean the layers of surveillance kind of
keep zooming out and you know i think this whole this whole intelligence world
is is getting out of control i mean because you've got you've got artificial
intelligence you've got we have what we
what we know is the state of human intelligence we then have what is speculated
to be potential non-human intelligences
yeah have you heard about this arrow office that just came out no so arrow all
domain anomaly research office that in the ndaa recently um there's all these ufo
pieces of language
mm-hmm and so and christopher mellon who you've had on is kind of really
knowledgeable about this i learned a lot of this from him um and anyway the
reason i'm talking about this is i think that intelligence and like secret
information like as it transcends through the corporate world in the government
world like it's all kind of interconnected and like the the same types of
models are used so but anyway arrow is the ndaa that recently passed now gives
all these whistleblower
protections to people to come forward which is an absolute game changer and um
arrow is this new office that's
like decently funded i think like 11 million a year or something like that and
and they're doing an audit basically of the government on these issues and i
think that it it correlates to surveillance to me at least in a speculate uh
you know in speculation because like what is this system like if they're here
which i don't know but that is surveillance and you know it's just all
compartmentalized and we don't know what's going on so that's why it's great
that this office exists
and I think that it it correlates to surveillance to me at least in a
speculate you know in speculation because like what is this system like if
they're here which I don't know but that is surveillance and you know it's just
all compartmentalized and we don't know what's going on so that's why it's
great
that this office exists so like if someone wants to get a hold of what I
feel like with with think when you have something like Pegasus all you have to
do is have access to it and you can get a hold of anything and someone wouldn't
even know if you're obviously Tucker didn't know I don't know what kind of
security protocols Tucker's company or what you know what he uses but obviously
he didn't know that they had access to his phone right yeah I don't know all
the
specifics of Pegasus but you know we also know everything from Snowden and the
prism program which you know maybe was wine was winded down a little bit I
remember I hear heard some of that stuff got rolled back but realistically no
no
no no no it's probably expanded and for sure yeah yeah I mean I would imagine
they
could do what I imagine they could just get all the access to anyone who's in
in any
room just zoom in on that room know where all the you know phone numbers are
and
just bam yeah but the paradox of having all these back doors is that it makes
everybody less safe it makes all of the government people less safe to have
these
back doors I mean right in the in some of the Twitter files you know we found
that
these war these chat rooms that they had were they were using signal yeah the
government uses signal very heavily yeah and you know the Twitter rooms where
they had people from you know the social media industry and they they use that
so
to advocate for back doors into encryption is just like self mutilation mm-hmm
it's
bizarre it's bizarre but it's one of those things where they want to use it on
other people even if it could be used against them they probably feel like a
lot of the people they're checking in on don't have access to that like you
like a
standard journalist like they want to like zoom in on Matt Taibbi's phone I'm
sure
he doesn't have access to that so it's like he can't use it on them but they
could use it on him yeah I just feel like we're living in sort of a petri dish
a
little bit I just like the the type of information that like the level of
discourse on this planet right now is very like tampered down compared to
what's really going I mean that's just an undeniable fact we were down yeah I
mean
there's a and this is this is verified I I actually I'm a fucking dork I read
the
whole Wikipedia article but just about top-secret information and like all the
levels and the US government produces more classified information than non
classified information so even if like there's an audit they could redact
everything yeah and it's just all these different divisions and departments and
they all have their own protocols so just getting a handle on it is I mean that's
the first thing that has to get done we have to but not not that we're even
going to get the real information from there right but but then there's also
the
national security aspect of it it's like you know you have to have some things
redacted because you know of