Name: Michio Kaku on Quantum Computing and AI Chat-bots
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Michio Kaku on Quantum Computing and AI Chat-bots' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2023-05-02. Transcript available.

the Joe Rogan experience now in application of this thing one of the
things that we're seeing right now when we're talking about quantum computing
back to that one of the things we're seeing now is chat GPT chat GPT which
is this fascinating AI program that essentially scours the entire internet
for answers for things and is so good at it the answers for things for just
just
data people are getting diagnosed with certain diseases based on symptoms and
blood work and it's super accurate legal papers it could fill out legal forms
and it's it's wild the capacity the bar exam that way the bar exam can be
passed
with a chat bot yeah it's like 98% right now here's the question if quantum
computing gets involved in AI what are we looking at well first of all AI is a
software program we're talking about homogenizing different kinds of essays on
the web splicing them together and then passing it off as your latest creation
basically plagiarism using digital computers it's a software question however
quantum computers is bigger than that quantum computers is a hardware question
where it actually increases your ability to do much more than with an ordinary
digital computer so the two of them the chat bots that are revolution in
software and
then quantum computers which are revolution in hardware when they get together
watch out so
we're talking about an extremely powerful alliance between software and
hardware
and also as you know chat bots will also lie cheat swindle joke and do all
sorts of crazy things
yes if you're a high school kid you could write all sorts of science fiction
scenarios and some chat bot may grab pieces of that nonsense and incorporated
into their essay
oh interesting so I can't discern what what's accurate exactly the whole point
this is the whole bottle of wax
chat bots do not know what is correct or incorrect they just gather information
so they could be gamed
that's right all they do is homogenize cut up existing things that sound human
put it together and then people say my god that sounds like a human wrote it of
course a human did write it
isn't that interesting that they could game that also if they wanted to find
out what percentage of people believed a certain thing
if they had some bad actors some foreign you know governments that decided they
were going to spread narratives as widely as possible and chat gbt just gathers
up all this information
and it could give you an incorrect understanding of what's happening in the
world that's right an incorrect understanding of politics of economics
the whole point is that even though there's a good aspect to all these software
programs the downside is that you can fabricate truth because it cannot tell
the difference
between false and what is false and what is true that's very interesting you
talk to the chat the chat bot and say do you know the difference between
correct and incorrect and they say no it's just on the web
they're just instructed to cobble together existing paragraphs splice them
together and polish it up and then spit it out but is it correct it doesn't
care it doesn't know so it is essentially like an amazing resource of
information that's that's very flawed that can't discern and can't think
I do this I have this problem all the time I'm a professor and I give
assignments to the students sometimes write a term paper so what do they do
some
some of them plagiarize how do you catch them well you read the essay and then
you read another essay and you say I've heard that before
I've seen that expression the old-fashioned way but you see that's what a chatbot
is a chatbot is like a teenager that plagiarizes other people's essays passes
it off as their own now I'm a scientist we'd like to think about things that
are creative new innovative things that'll change our perception of the world
none of that absolutely none of that comes from a chatbot a chatbot simply
rearranges pre-existing essays that's all it does
the the thing is though that's what's interesting what's interesting what's
interesting is what you're talking about with quantum computing and the insane
computational power
right and then apply that to having access to all of the information right but
there's a good aspect to you know when I write a book my publisher has a fact
checker a fact checker that goes through all the different statements that I
make to make sure that they're all correct
correct there is no fact checker for chatbots let me repeat that again there is
no fact checker for chatbots that is the whole ball of wax that's the reason
why they're so dangerous because they can they don't know these chatbots are
machines they don't know what is correct what is incorrect it's all the same to
them that's the danger that they could incorporate teenagers ranting and raving
about all sorts of garbage and put that in with articles that sound reasonable
that's the problem now here's where quantum computers come in quantum computers
can act as a fact checker you can ask a quantum computer to remove all the
garbage remove all the nonsense in these articles and it'll do that so in other
words the hardware may be a check on some of the wild statements made by
software
but the problem with that is who's the arbiter of the information like who
decides what what's real and what's not how does the chatbot decide is the chatbot
ideologically biased the chatbot doesn't the chatbot simply
the quantum computing does yeah quantum computing can then it's going to be
able to discern what's real and what's not real even if there are gradations of
what is true like it is partially true or whatever it could give you the the
detailed understanding of what it what could be
misconstrued what is partially correct what is misleading but partially correct
you see what i'm saying yes right now the chatbot just splices it together like
an editor that's all it is an editor not a fact checker and spits out cobbled
together articles that sound reasonable but there could be dynamite inside some
of these articles that were spliced into what was proposed with a quantum
computer you can fact check things
hmm and then you can say this is ninety percent correct this is totally wrong
this is sometimes correct and you get gradations of what is correct and
incorrect well if you can get an objectively accurate fact checker that would
be a huge step up from what we have today because a lot of people have very
little faith in certain fact checkers and when you find out that they're ideologically
biased or they're governmentally biased and if you could have something that
could just
that could just tell you if you have you even pay attention to how twitter's
doing it now where they have community notes have you seen this no i haven't it's
interesting
it's interesting like say if someone makes a statement about something
controversial climate change whatever and then um this controversial statement
gets refuted in the community notes and then people will start commenting and
really intelligent very well read people on specific subjects will chime in
with peer reviewed papers and all these different statistics and that show and
then twitter
and then twitter will correct it and it will say readers have said and then and
then put up the relevant information
right see that's what chat bots do not do today yeah they have no understanding
of correct or incorrect false and true no understanding of that but with
hardware coming into the picture that is more advanced then yeah you're talking
about machines that can do that automatically but it's the problem who controls
that machine like say if china gets a hold of one of those machines first if
they develop a quantum computer first and they start implementing it well we
have to make sure that our
quantum computers can check other people's quantum computers to make sure that
they're not fudging the facts right now remember that if this is not done
legally if there are no laws passed in this direction and it's like the wild
west then of course the politicians get involved yeah and it becomes a real
mess now we do know that you cannot yell fire in a crowded theater therefore
there are limits to free speech we get that but how do you make limits on
statements that are written on
that are written on the web that no human can possibly follow right that's
where quantum computers can come in quantum computers can are powerful enough
to survey the entire landscape and give reasonable rebuttals to things that are
just outrageous well more than that it's going to be able to instantaneously
change how we interact with each other in terms of language barriers all these
issues that we have currently I'm sure you're aware of Google had
their earbuds there was a feature where if you say if you went to Spain and
didn't speak Spanish you could talk to it and they would talk to it and it
would translate back and forth so you can have a real time conversation I'm not
sure how good is it how good is that Jim but if there's something like
augmented reality and we have something like that you're going to be able to
instantaneously translate what people are saying yeah there'll be no language
barriers for people we'll know we'll be able to
we'll be able to I think that would change just human perception across the
world just the way we view each other it's so easy to think of each other as
being different because we speak a different language and we live in a
different part of the planet but that would literally change how we interact
with each other yeah I just remember that where do correct ideas come from
correct ideas come from
correct ideas come from interaction with incorrect ideas is the struggle
between ideas out of which correct ideas emerge and this does not happen on the
internet because of course with chat
change how we interact with each other yeah and just remember that where do
correct ideas come
from correct ideas come from interaction with incorrect ideas it's the it's the
struggle between
ideas out of which correct ideas emerge and this does not happen on the
internet because of course
with chatbots everything is cobbled together cut splice and simply glued
together with scotch tape
masquerading as an essay so with fact tracking i think it's going to be
different because unless
we do fact checking the politicians will get involved yes and this could be a
real mess so i
would hope that the industry does fact checking by itself rather than having
politicians do it it's
such an important point that you said where you said that the bad ideas have to
exist so the good
ideas triumph and that that's really an argument against censorship on the
internet which is another
problem that people have especially censorship when it comes to something being
ideologically based but
when you're you're thinking about quantum computing i think what we're i think
this is small potatoes
right i think we're looking at literally being able to change how we interact
with the universe like
when we were talking on our last podcast about the preponderance of evidence
that there's things that
operate inside of our atmosphere that are beyond imagination that are they they
operate with no visible means of
propulsion they move at insane speeds we don't understand what they are if we
think about what
quantum computing is going to be capable of that's the kind of stuff we're
thinking about right yeah
you see quantum computers are the ultimate computers because they're computing
on atoms if there are aliens
and out of space and i think there are it means that they also have perfected
quantum computers and they
can do calculations that are far beyond anything that we can calculate with
like for example a wormhole a wormhole in
principle is a gateway between two distant points of space and time which
allows you to break the
einstein barrier and go faster than the speed of light but the calculations are
horrendous it may
take a quantum computer to sort through what happens when you go through a wormhole
and wind up on the
other side of the universe and the aliens probably already have done that
gender probably had centuries
of experience with quantum computers because that's the ultimate computer you
can't compute in anything
smaller than an atom and they probably already have used the quantum computers
to navigate through
wormholes let's say hypothetically it's so fascinating when you think of where
we were just a few thousand
years ago to or a few hundred years ago to where we are now and then you
imagine the invention of quantum
computing you imagine everything just the whole idea of whatever we think of
current computer progression
just goes out the window and it's insane calculation capabilities like we could
be able to do something
like that in the future right quantum computers allows us to calculate things
that are way beyond our ability
to calculate today like going through a wormhole or warp drive or even the
question of multiple universes
people ask the question how come quantum computers are so powerful it's because
they compute in in parallel
universes this is the multiverse which of course marvel comics has discovered
and the oscars have discovered
recently but the multiverse idea comes from quantum physics electrons can be
two places at the same time
now some people have a hard time getting their head around that but get used to
it that's why we have lasers
that's why we have transistors that's why we have the internet that's why we
have this conversation
because the electrons that are in this microphone dance between universes at
the atomic level
and so we have to get used to the idea that quantum computers introduces a
whole new way
of looking at reality now reality is not a marvel comic but the idea of the
multiverse comes from quantum physics
and that is electrons can be multiple places at the same time

Michio Kaku on Quantum Computing and AI Chat-bots

the Joe Rogan experience now in application of this thing one of the
things that we're seeing right now when we're talking about quantum computing
back to that one of the things we're seeing now is chat GPT chat GPT which
is this fascinating AI program that essentially scours the entire internet
for answers for things and is so good at it the answers for things for just
just
data people are getting diagnosed with certain diseases based on symptoms and
blood work and it's super accurate legal papers it could fill out legal forms
and it's it's wild the capacity the bar exam that way the bar exam can be
passed
with a chat bot yeah it's like 98% right now here's the question if quantum
computing gets involved in AI what are we looking at well first of all AI is a
software program we're talking about homogenizing different kinds of essays on
the web splicing them together and then passing it off as your latest creation
basically plagiarism using digital computers it's a software question however
quantum computers is bigger than that quantum computers is a hardware question
where it actually increases your ability to do much more than with an ordinary
digital computer so the two of them the chat bots that are revolution in
software and
then quantum computers which are revolution in hardware when they get together
watch out so
we're talking about an extremely powerful alliance between software and
hardware
and also as you know chat bots will also lie cheat swindle joke and do all
sorts of crazy things
yes if you're a high school kid you could write all sorts of science fiction
scenarios and some chat bot may grab pieces of that nonsense and incorporated
into their essay
oh interesting so I can't discern what what's accurate exactly the whole point
this is the whole bottle of wax
chat bots do not know what is correct or incorrect they just gather information
so they could be gamed
that's right all they do is homogenize cut up existing things that sound human
put it together and then people say my god that sounds like a human wrote it of
course a human did write it
isn't that interesting that they could game that also if they wanted to find
out what percentage of people believed a certain thing
if they had some bad actors some foreign you know governments that decided they
were going to spread narratives as widely as possible and chat gbt just gathers
up all this information
and it could give you an incorrect understanding of what's happening in the
world that's right an incorrect understanding of politics of economics
the whole point is that even though there's a good aspect to all these software
programs the downside is that you can fabricate truth because it cannot tell
the difference
between false and what is false and what is true that's very interesting you
talk to the chat the chat bot and say do you know the difference between
correct and incorrect and they say no it's just on the web
they're just instructed to cobble together existing paragraphs splice them
together and polish it up and then spit it out but is it correct it doesn't
care it doesn't know so it is essentially like an amazing resource of
information that's that's very flawed that can't discern and can't think
I do this I have this problem all the time I'm a professor and I give
assignments to the students sometimes write a term paper so what do they do
some
some of them plagiarize how do you catch them well you read the essay and then
you read another essay and you say I've heard that before
I've seen that expression the old-fashioned way but you see that's what a chatbot
is a chatbot is like a teenager that plagiarizes other people's essays passes
it off as their own now I'm a scientist we'd like to think about things that
are creative new innovative things that'll change our perception of the world
none of that absolutely none of that comes from a chatbot a chatbot simply
rearranges pre-existing essays that's all it does
the the thing is though that's what's interesting what's interesting what's
interesting is what you're talking about with quantum computing and the insane
computational power
right and then apply that to having access to all of the information right but
there's a good aspect to you know when I write a book my publisher has a fact
checker a fact checker that goes through all the different statements that I
make to make sure that they're all correct
correct there is no fact checker for chatbots let me repeat that again there is
no fact checker for chatbots that is the whole ball of wax that's the reason
why they're so dangerous because they can they don't know these chatbots are
machines they don't know what is correct what is incorrect it's all the same to
them that's the danger that they could incorporate teenagers ranting and raving
about all sorts of garbage and put that in with articles that sound reasonable
that's the problem now here's where quantum computers come in quantum computers
can act as a fact checker you can ask a quantum computer to remove all the
garbage remove all the nonsense in these articles and it'll do that so in other
words the hardware may be a check on some of the wild statements made by
software
but the problem with that is who's the arbiter of the information like who
decides what what's real and what's not how does the chatbot decide is the chatbot
ideologically biased the chatbot doesn't the chatbot simply
the quantum computing does yeah quantum computing can then it's going to be
able to discern what's real and what's not real even if there are gradations of
what is true like it is partially true or whatever it could give you the the
detailed understanding of what it what could be
misconstrued what is partially correct what is misleading but partially correct
you see what i'm saying yes right now the chatbot just splices it together like
an editor that's all it is an editor not a fact checker and spits out cobbled
together articles that sound reasonable but there could be dynamite inside some
of these articles that were spliced into what was proposed with a quantum
computer you can fact check things
hmm and then you can say this is ninety percent correct this is totally wrong
this is sometimes correct and you get gradations of what is correct and
incorrect well if you can get an objectively accurate fact checker that would
be a huge step up from what we have today because a lot of people have very
little faith in certain fact checkers and when you find out that they're ideologically
biased or they're governmentally biased and if you could have something that
could just
that could just tell you if you have you even pay attention to how twitter's
doing it now where they have community notes have you seen this no i haven't it's
interesting
it's interesting like say if someone makes a statement about something
controversial climate change whatever and then um this controversial statement
gets refuted in the community notes and then people will start commenting and
really intelligent very well read people on specific subjects will chime in
with peer reviewed papers and all these different statistics and that show and
then twitter
and then twitter will correct it and it will say readers have said and then and
then put up the relevant information
right see that's what chat bots do not do today yeah they have no understanding
of correct or incorrect false and true no understanding of that but with
hardware coming into the picture that is more advanced then yeah you're talking
about machines that can do that automatically but it's the problem who controls
that machine like say if china gets a hold of one of those machines first if
they develop a quantum computer first and they start implementing it well we
have to make sure that our
quantum computers can check other people's quantum computers to make sure that
they're not fudging the facts right now remember that if this is not done
legally if there are no laws passed in this direction and it's like the wild
west then of course the politicians get involved yeah and it becomes a real
mess now we do know that you cannot yell fire in a crowded theater therefore
there are limits to free speech we get that but how do you make limits on
statements that are written on
that are written on the web that no human can possibly follow right that's
where quantum computers can come in quantum computers can are powerful enough
to survey the entire landscape and give reasonable rebuttals to things that are
just outrageous well more than that it's going to be able to instantaneously
change how we interact with each other in terms of language barriers all these
issues that we have currently I'm sure you're aware of Google had
their earbuds there was a feature where if you say if you went to Spain and
didn't speak Spanish you could talk to it and they would talk to it and it
would translate back and forth so you can have a real time conversation I'm not
sure how good is it how good is that Jim but if there's something like
augmented reality and we have something like that you're going to be able to
instantaneously translate what people are saying yeah there'll be no language
barriers for people we'll know we'll be able to
we'll be able to I think that would change just human perception across the
world just the way we view each other it's so easy to think of each other as
being different because we speak a different language and we live in a
different part of the planet but that would literally change how we interact
with each other yeah I just remember that where do correct ideas come from
correct ideas come from
correct ideas come from interaction with incorrect ideas is the struggle
between ideas out of which correct ideas emerge and this does not happen on the
internet because of course with chat
change how we interact with each other yeah and just remember that where do
correct ideas come
from correct ideas come from interaction with incorrect ideas it's the it's the
struggle between
ideas out of which correct ideas emerge and this does not happen on the
internet because of course
with chatbots everything is cobbled together cut splice and simply glued
together with scotch tape
masquerading as an essay so with fact tracking i think it's going to be
different because unless
we do fact checking the politicians will get involved yes and this could be a
real mess so i
would hope that the industry does fact checking by itself rather than having
politicians do it it's
such an important point that you said where you said that the bad ideas have to
exist so the good
ideas triumph and that that's really an argument against censorship on the
internet which is another
problem that people have especially censorship when it comes to something being
ideologically based but
when you're you're thinking about quantum computing i think what we're i think
this is small potatoes
right i think we're looking at literally being able to change how we interact
with the universe like
when we were talking on our last podcast about the preponderance of evidence
that there's things that
operate inside of our atmosphere that are beyond imagination that are they they
operate with no visible means of
propulsion they move at insane speeds we don't understand what they are if we
think about what
quantum computing is going to be capable of that's the kind of stuff we're
thinking about right yeah
you see quantum computers are the ultimate computers because they're computing
on atoms if there are aliens
and out of space and i think there are it means that they also have perfected
quantum computers and they
can do calculations that are far beyond anything that we can calculate with
like for example a wormhole a wormhole in
principle is a gateway between two distant points of space and time which
allows you to break the
einstein barrier and go faster than the speed of light but the calculations are
horrendous it may
take a quantum computer to sort through what happens w